Your life would be better off if you stopped using this site and stopped following Internet drama

[ajax]

This is true but it's like saying you should drink more water. I'm glad OP had the revelation and felt assed to do something about it. The rest of us know it's bad and keep drinking anyway.

Think about how happy you are now, and think about where it could be. Humans are inherently greedy. We want to put low effort in to achieve maximum benefit. But we're not wise because of our emotions. It's like humans are running a greedy algorithm, and only reaching our local maximums because to the left and to the right it drops. We don't have the foresight to realize that after the drop to our right, the next peak is even higher. The global maximum. We're only looking if n+1 is better than our current situation, not n + 10.

It takes a lot of discipline to go through the lows knowing that the upcoming peak is where you will feel most fulfilled. And that builds character too.

Do we get anything tangible out of laughing at people on the Internet?

This is a cope for how bad the reality of society is right now. You always could do all the things you wanted to...right?
Nothing was stopping you before...right?

Right, but we're too short sighted to realize that things that feel good in the moment, may not feel good overall. Mental fortitude and discipline is hard for people in the modern era because we don't face the same struggles our ancestors did. To struggle is to improve. Just as, to build more muscle, it has to be pushed to it's limits.

It's like that saying hard times produce strong men. We don't want the hard times, because it doesn't feel nice. But we're stronger from it.

Kids, when we are 10 years old and getting a playstation for the first time, will never have the wisdom to think "How does this thing help me or make my life better"... We just think in the short term because we all look for immediate gratification.

This is true but it's like saying you should drink more water. I'm glad OP had the revelation and felt assed to do something about it. The rest of us know it's bad and keep drinking anyway.

If you know it's bad, do you ever think to yourself, "I would be more happy and fulfilled if I were to try and make an effort to be a productive person?"
It's easier said than done, but it's still something to keep in mind before the next sip.

If you want to leave the site by all means do that, but don't police other users and tell them what they should be doing with their own free time. Leave and don't say anything on the way out like a normal nigga.

Tech is never going away, the sooner you realize this the better. If you want to become the next Ted Kaczynski and live in the wilderness touching grass and eating berries, by all means go ahead, but don't expect us to go following in your footsteps. You aren't as based as you think for having that take.

I'm not telling them what they should be doing, I'm just saying what would give their lives more meaning and happiness. Ultimately we all have free will and we can choose our own destinies, but a lot of people don't know what's best for them.

And no considering I work in tech I know it isn't going away, and embedded systems (the field I'm in) has great real world applications. Self driving cars or computer systems on airlines for example. But there's a difference between tech that's good for humanity and tech that is bad for humanity (the social media stuff).

Actually my post is most applicable to others with careers in tech or computer based work because we suffer the isolation effects more than anyone.

>implying anybody here has anything better to do in the first place

If you're a moderately intelligent person you'd have things better to do. If you're a lonely person you'd have things better to do as well. Fixing those issues as opposed to Internet and video games, which become a form of escapism for a lot of people.

Escapism is bad. Facing reality is good.

Possibly, but I think you're discounting the role of fun. I can think of many more productive things than following internet drama, but internet drama is funny. Its fine for a quick laugh as I'm relaxing after work or whatever. If I wasn't here, I'd probably just be playing a game or watching youtube in that time period anyway.

The pursuit of fun is worthwhile, so long as its in moderation and balanced correctly with other needs. This isn't much different than some ancient tribals sitting around a fire laughing about how ugly their rival tribe is.

tldr touch grass every day and have basic self control regarding internet use, you'll be okay

A good comparison would be to calculate the time you spend a month on forums like these, discord, youtube, reddit, whatever... And realize what you ultimately got out of it: momentary enjoyment.

Then spend that time the following month on 1) Furthering your career by learning/improving skills. 2) Expanding your social network. 3) Practicing a sport or exercise, like hiking, mountain climbing, surfing, jiu jitsu. 4) Reading books that expand your horizon or improve your mentality.
Compare how you felt for each month. Ultimately a goal of life should be to use your mind to it's potential. Don't waste potential. It is true, however, that our minds need breaks after a lot of thinking. Sometimes I go out to the beach and reflect over my thoughts by staring into the ocean, and sometimes I write my self reflections in a journal.

It's really import to reflect upon your thoughts, goals, why we did the things we did and what compulsion made us do so.

 

[PaleTay]

Think about how happy you are now, and think about where it could be. Humans are inherently greedy. We want to put low effort in to achieve maximum benefit. But we're not wise because of our emotions. It's like humans are running a greedy algorithm, and only reaching our local maximums because to the left and to the right it drops. We don't have the foresight to realize that after the drop to our right, the next peak is even higher. The global maximum. We're only looking if n+1 is better than our current situation, not n + 10.

It takes a lot of discipline to go through the lows knowing that the upcoming peak is where you will feel most fulfilled. And that builds character too.

Do we get anything tangible out of laughing at people on the Internet?

Right, but we're too short sighted to realize that things that feel good in the moment, may not feel good overall. Mental fortitude and discipline is hard for people in the modern era because we don't face the same struggles our ancestors did. To struggle is to improve. Just as, to build more muscle, it has to be pushed to it's limits.

It's like that saying hard times produce strong men. We don't want the hard times, because it doesn't feel nice. But we're stronger from it.

Kids, when we are 10 years old and getting a playstation for the first time, will never have the wisdom to think "How does this thing help me or make my life better"... We just think in the short term because we all look for immediate gratification.

If you know it's bad, do you ever think to yourself, "I would be more happy and fulfilled if I were to try and make an effort to be a productive person?"
It's easier said than done, but it's still something to keep in mind before the next sip.


I'm not telling them what they should be doing, I'm just saying what would give their lives more meaning and happiness. Ultimately we all have free will and we can choose our own destinies, but a lot of people don't know what's best for them.

And no considering I work in tech I know it isn't going away, and embedded systems (the field I'm in) has great real world applications. Self driving cars or computer systems on airlines for example. But there's a difference between tech that's good for humanity and tech that is bad for humanity (the social media stuff).

Actually my post is most applicable to others with careers in tech or computer based work because we suffer the isolation effects more than anyone.


If you're a moderately intelligent person you'd have things better to do. If you're a lonely person you'd have things better to do as well. Fixing those issues as opposed to Internet and video games, which become a form of escapism for a lot of people.

Escapism is bad. Facing reality is good.

Reality itself is bad. You face diminishing returns from fitness and nature.

I don't understand what you mean by productive, one has to see reward, and no for the most part the hard times are just hard as there is no solution. You'll have bad relationships and burn out from work and things you enjoy if you force it.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I appreciate your enthusiasm and moxie for your philosophy but you will meet nothing but contrarians and the apathetic here. I'm saying I don't think you'll get many conversions to your newfound knowledge, which is fine, but remember that when you argue. If you're lucky, you'll get a few converts, but don't expect much.

 

[ajax]

Reality itself is bad. You face diminishing returns from fitness and nature.

I don't understand what you mean by productive, one has to see reward, and no for the most part the hard times are just hard as there is no solution. You'll have bad relationships and burn out from work and things you enjoy if you force it.

Diminishing returns is true, even those who start off with everything (i.e. born into wealth) can get depression because they're not seeing fundamental improvements in their life. Those improvements are what makes us feel satisfied. I.e. Renting an apartment at 25 then owning a house by 28. We see the progression in life, and that our status and overall quality of life is increasing. There is no stagnation. And that makes us feel fulfilled. Being in the same place year after year would be unfulfilling as there's no upward mobility to encourage hard work.

And by productive I mean things that will help you realize your genetic and economic potential in regards to mentality, career progression, wealth, physical health, relationships and hobbies with a learnt skill. Internet browsing is a poor hobby because no skill is being developed. Cooking or travelling are better hobbies because skills are learnt and meaningful life experiences are made.

You're right you shouldn't force things, you should have the passion for it in the first place. And not everyone does, but most people are capable of finding the work they actually feel happy doing instead of feeling like a chore and only doing it because we need the job to survive.

I appreciate your enthusiasm and moxie for your philosophy but you will meet nothing but contrarians and the apathetic here. I'm saying I don't think you'll get many conversions to your newfound knowledge, which is fine, but remember that when you argue. If you're lucky, you'll get a few converts, but don't expect much.

I well expected such a response, but I know there's some who can see my message and relate or consider it. Some could benefit. After all, I was in the state of mindless internet boredom once, spending most of my life online. Living life on autopilot instead of taking control. But no one told me differently, so I knew no better, until I got some advice that changed my mindset. If my mindset could be changed, others could as well. In many ways it's passing on what I've learnt both from others' advice, and personal life experiences.

No one here is going to be the next Elon Musk or Alexander the Great, some people are genetically predisposed to do well in life and others are born into well connected wealthy families. But a lot of people simply don't realize their potential. I'm sure all of us knew kids in high school who were smarter than anyone else but too lazy to study or do their homework. It's like that. The brightest among us should use their brightness and not waste it.

If no one has the introspection to think and consider removing some elements of their lifestyle, it is fine. It's cathartic to say my piece and then move on at the conclusion of the thread's life. Just as writing about my thoughts in a journal is cathartic.

 

[Ben10]

Its just about moderation.

Taking 5 minutes a day to read about the ludicrous journeys of these exceptional human beings does spark joy. And also, just given the state of the world, its just nice to know your not alone. If not for KF, living in an exceedingly liberal area, I'd think it was just me and some crotchety old people leery of just how many Yanivs and AGPs out there are trying to rope us into their fetish...

Do I need to spend 5 hours a week watching a stream purely dedicated to Ralph and Fuentes? Nope.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

The site wasn't, I just mean mindless internet browsing in general. Youtube was a big one for me, 4chan or reddit have the same effect ultimately... Wasting time. And no the site isn't shit, but it's important to realize how little time we have in this world, all our hopes and dreams, to reach them and realize our collective goals we have to focus on good/productive things (studying, working, socializing, exercising) the vast majority of our time.

So did you do it all day or something? I don't see the problem with indulging in it within the moments of downtime throughout the day. It's also important to engage in mindless activity to let your brain just be a brain instead of working it all the time. People have jobs and hobbies and things they do outside of the internet.

What's the deep thought? All I'm reading is if you put more time into yourself then you will become a better person. If it's not specifically about the farms and it's not just about the internet then we've entered no duh territory.

People have capacities for potential. The available resources, motivation, and opportunities are required to maximize potential. I would go as far as saying just about everyone imagines themselves doing the things you're describing and probably daydream about it regularly. The epiphany is nothing new, so how can we generate more of what's required to maximize potential? Obviously you didn't wake up one day and say "wow I'm retard stuck in internet" and just stop. What was the breaking point?

 

[milk]

I come here to practice reading and writing, English. This website has been a net benefit to me.

 

[Agent Abe Caprine]

I can't escape lolcows in real life. Nothing would change.

 

[ajax]

Its just about moderation.

Taking 5 minutes a day to read about the ludicrous journeys of these exceptional human beings does spark joy. And also, just given the state of the world, its just nice to know your not alone. If not for KF, living in an exceedingly liberal area, I'd think it was just me and some crotchety old people leery of just how many Yanivs and AGPs out there are trying to rope us into their fetish...

Do I need to spend 5 hours a week watching a stream purely dedicated to Ralph and Fuentes? Nope.

Yeah spending 5 mins or however long is ok, I guess I'm speaking moreso to people who spend a huge chunk of their free time here. Some people intend on spending 5 minutes but end up spending 50 on these things due to lacking the mental fortitude to limit oneself.

And that's another thing, consider the type of people that watch Ralph and Fuentes daily..... They have to be the loneliest people in the world, eternal losers. They'd need this kind of message more than anyone.

So did you do it all day or something? I don't see the problem with indulging in it within the moments of downtime throughout the day. It's also important to engage in mindless activity to let your brain just be a brain instead of working it all the time. People have jobs and hobbies and things they do outside of the internet.

What's the deep thought? All I'm reading is if you put more time into yourself then you will become a better person. If it's not specifically about the farms and it's not just about the internet then we've entered no duh territory.

People have capacities for potential. The available resources, motivation, and opportunities are required to maximize potential. I would go as far as saying just about everyone imagines themselves doing the things you're describing and probably daydream about it regularly. The epiphany is nothing new, so how can we generate more of what's required to maximize potential? Obviously you didn't wake up one day and say "wow I'm retard stuck in internet" and just stop. What was the breaking point?

I spent most of my freetime browsing youtube, games, or forums yeah.

The deep thought is thinking about what makes people happy and fulfilled in life. Is it what they have accomplished, or these trivial pastimes that amount to nothing? A lot of people just get absorbed and sucked into the Internet like it's a blackhole. So this subforum was the most appropriate for my thought. I don't think that connection is hard to make, considering it's about the philosophy of what leads to a good life, and quantifying what a good and happy life is.

The breaking point for me was a combination of envy, rejection, and hearing the right advice at the right time.

I was talking to a relative of mine who built a successful tech company that he later sold to one of the fortune 500s, and he mentioned how when he was younger he purposefully took every electrical engineering and computer science elective course in university (Engineering students just have to take a certain amount, not all) to expand his knowledge and understand a system from hardware to software and how they interact. And I realized that's the kind of passion and dedication that it takes to really get ahead. Most of success in life comes from work ethic rather than just intellect.

Then I was envious of another guy I was way smarter than in university getting paid way more than me, and rejected by a girl I wanted and a job I wanted. I knew I had to change.

So I started dedicating my free time to studying embedded C, the Linux kernel, microcontroller architecture, signal processing/filtering. Expanding my knowledge. When my brain was all exhausted I worked on my physical self.

A year later (couple months ago) I got the job, money, status, relationship I wanted. And I feel more fulfilled, but about 50% of the way there. Lifetime habits are hard to break overnight, it's a slow process.

So yeah my thoughts are probably most relevant to guys in their 20s who feel like they could be something more than they currently are deep down inside.

 

[snailslime]

if you're an a&h sperg, absolutely

but watching trainwrecks like nick fuentes brings smiles to my face

 

[Penis Drager]

Jokes on you, OP. I'm a cerebral masochist.
Existential suffering makes me horny.

 

[Kermit Jizz]

But we shouldn't go back to that. At the very least we should focus 95% of our time on self improvement, both physically, mentally, and socially. You should go outside, exercise, study something that will help you in your career to live a more fulfilling life.

Get rid of all your videogames, it's just overstimulation and escapism. Go on the forum less often, because it's just mindless entertainment, which doesn't really benefit you does it.

I go to work for 40+ hours a week, I cook, I do chores, I spend time with friends/gf, I care for my pets. Why do I need to do something productive if I have a couple hours after all that? I never understood this mindset of time not spent "improving" is time wasted, especially when most "improvements" are meaningless too. I like lifting weights, but past some basic routine you're wasting time and not really benefitting. I like cooking, but doing anything more than the most efficient healthy recipes is a waste too. Learning to cook tasty recipes is arguably bad for you because it tempts weight gain.

Besides you're going to die and no one will care how many books you read. As long as you're reasonably functional, the rest of your time should be spent enjoying yourself.

 

[Anubis]

This thread is a generically cliche standard preaching of the "22+ year old man who did literally nothing but play games and jerk off, burnt out their dopamine receptors and then did 1 year of actual humane progression and now preaches that everyone should apply his 1 year hard crunch standard to the entirety of their lives."

It's never an actual reasonable reflection of their lives and then passing the insight of "you should start organizing your life more so you'll have less of a harder time in adulthood", but always some insanely extreme outlook about how every single millisecond not spent studying or improving a work-related skill will make you regret the entirety of your life and how you should drop your video games and social medias right now!!!

The worst part is that these kinds of people are always hanging around communities that have younger and more impressionable teenagers, and I've seen way too many cases of said teenagers actually taking this "advice" into consideration and causing insane burnout or mental health issues to themselves.

 

[AMHOLIO]

No one here is going to be the next Elon Musk or Alexander the Great, some people are genetically predisposed to do well in life and others are born into well connected wealthy families. But a lot of people simply don't realize their potential. I'm sure all of us knew kids in high school who were smarter than anyone else but too lazy to study or do their homework. It's like that. The brightest among us should use their brightness and not waste it.

If no one has the introspection to think and consider removing some elements of their lifestyle, it is fine. It's cathartic to say my piece and then move on at the conclusion of the thread's life. Just as writing about my thoughts in a journal is cathartic.

Thanks for being wholesome.

 

[PaleTay]

Diminishing returns is true, even those who start off with everything (i.e. born into wealth) can get depression because they're not seeing fundamental improvements in their life. Those improvements are what makes us feel satisfied. I.e. Renting an apartment at 25 then owning a house by 28. We see the progression in life, and that our status and overall quality of life is increasing. There is no stagnation. And that makes us feel fulfilled. Being in the same place year after year would be unfulfilling as there's no upward mobility to encourage hard work.

And by productive I mean things that will help you realize your genetic and economic potential in regards to mentality, career progression, wealth, physical health, relationships and hobbies with a learnt skill. Internet browsing is a poor hobby because no skill is being developed. Cooking or travelling are better hobbies because skills are learnt and meaningful life experiences are made.

You're right you shouldn't force things, you should have the passion for it in the first place. And not everyone does, but most people are capable of finding the work they actually feel happy doing instead of feeling like a chore and only doing it because we need the job to survive.


I well expected such a response, but I know there's some who can see my message and relate or consider it. Some could benefit. After all, I was in the state of mindless internet boredom once, spending most of my life online. Living life on autopilot instead of taking control. But no one told me differently, so I knew no better, until I got some advice that changed my mindset. If my mindset could be changed, others could as well. In many ways it's passing on what I've learnt both from others' advice, and personal life experiences.

No one here is going to be the next Elon Musk or Alexander the Great, some people are genetically predisposed to do well in life and others are born into well connected wealthy families. But a lot of people simply don't realize their potential. I'm sure all of us knew kids in high school who were smarter than anyone else but too lazy to study or do their homework. It's like that. The brightest among us should use their brightness and not waste it.

If no one has the introspection to think and consider removing some elements of their lifestyle, it is fine. It's cathartic to say my piece and then move on at the conclusion of the thread's life. Just as writing about my thoughts in a journal is cathartic.

I bought a house at a younger age than 25, it doesn't make me happy. Travelling is different than say browsing the internet because it costs money, energy, and time. There's only so many hours in a week one should lift weights.

How does one enjoy working for a company and society which hates them? Most fields are nowhere near altruistic, and most people need drugs, alcohol, and mindless consumption to cope. Most fields are a mixture of evil and incompetent as well. The Japanese model of living life, which is similar to your mindset, has failed even in a "better" world. At best one can hope to start their own parallel business, but that presents different issues.

Most relationships are unhealthy, you aren't going to be spending a significant portion of your time building or maintaining positive relationships and trying to do so in an ironic twist undermines the goal.

 

[MightyMorphin'Willbender]

Every second I'm here is a second not having IRL troon/deathfat sightings.
I don't get punched here for laughing at them, therefore not wasting additional time in jail/hospital.

This is a net positive for me and society.

 

[SNU]

Then go find meaning in your life. You don't have to post about it and pretend to be enlightened.

When you make a realization about yourself and think it applies to everyone else you just look like a fool. It's kinda like how that psychology dude wanted to bang his mum and said that deep down everyone wants to bang their mum.

All you accomplished by making this thread is admitting that you have no hobbies. I'm sure there are people here in the same boat but there are also a lot of people who just kill time here sometimes. Go and find meaning in your life but make sure that you actually want to do it and it's actually meaningful to you. Thinking about "I should be doing this" or "I should be doing that" will just bum you out and lead to negative self image. If you want to paint then do it. If you want to paint because you think other people will admire you for it then you'll procrastinate and it will feel like a chore. Then you start developing stinkin' thinkin'.

Have your epiphanies and improve yourself but don't assume everyone is the same as you.

That being said, I agree that if you spend too much time on the site and get upset over lolcows then you should probably find something else to do.

 

[Gravityqueen4life]

not really. would be rather boring actually.

 

[mario if smoke weed]

Go spend time being enlightened rather than sperging about it here.

You're only doing this post to look smarter and better but you end up looking like a fag

 

[y2kanon]

But lolcows are funny