Ralph's Health & Mental Health - Ethan Ralph is allegedly in a coma according to some career a-log.

[Smarty Pants]

At the risk of sounding pedantic, I think he's more narcissistic than sociopathic. He doesn't have charisma or charm, he's not clever or cunning, and he has emotions, albeit self-centered ones.

It's not one or the other, though. I'm not a psychologist, but he displays a combination of Cluster B behaviors.

Sociopaths are not usually charismatic or cunning, that's just Hollywood. A sociopath is simply a person who can't empathize with others, and most of them are as repulsive as Ethan.

You can be both a sociopath and a narcissist, though.

Advanced psych training says, borderline personality disorder manifests in men as rage, often. (Women too, though women & men often express rage differently.) Women are over Dx-ed w/ BPD, men, under diagnosed. Most men with BPD have severe rage issues, I know a dude with this Dx, very chill dude now. He is super angry & rage filled, at the drop of a dime, but, he’s been getting proper BPD care for 15 years, & has learned about how to handle that shit. He comes off chill for the last decade, you wouldn’t even know he’s BPD. It’s rare, but occasionally cluster b personality types can learn to regulate.

Ralphamale however will likely never face the issue, let alone learn to function. I’ve stayed out of the “Gunt is BPD” discussion as it comes up often, in many threads, as many cows are very cluster B/ axis II/ especially NPD & BPD, & I get sick of the arm chair BS, plus I don’t want to become resident psychologist on KF, but, yes, Gunt is a dead ringer for BPD+ other Dx’s. % textbook case.

Would be lovely to see a Ralph mental health thread on here. Just saying.

 

[MeltyTW]

You're thinking of psychopaths. Psychologists used to differentiate between psychopaths and sociopaths, while psychopaths are cunning, charming and manipulative (think serial killer who had all his neighbors fooled and was a staple of the community until they discovered his garden full of corpses) a sociopath is your average criminal, dumb and impulsive. Jails are full of sociopaths. They both share the lack of empathy for others, tendency towards criminal behavior, lack of guilt etc. There are some more distinctions but neither one of these terms are something a psychologist would diagnose you with, they clinical diagnosis is "antisocial personality disorder".

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This is what Alice claims to be diagnosed with btw and the reason she kills small animals for fun.

You've mixed up the use of psychopath and sociopath to the point idk if you mistakenly thought they used the wrong one, if you've used the wrong one, or even which one you think applies to gunt or if I've been Gaslight my whole life but I think psychopath is the mongs and sociopaths are the criminally calculated and collected uncaring types.

 

[Zilortha]

Would be lovely to see a Ralph mental health thread on here. Just saying.

I've maintained for a while that Ralph would likely be diagnosed with BPD, and there are multiple examples of his behavior that line up. But every time I write about it, people sperg out over "armchair psychology". Apparently laughing about him getting physically beaten is based, but discussing why is cringe. So I usually refrain.
Maybe it would be for the best to quarantine all armchair evals in a thread though...

This is probably TMI, but I've got 2 siblings with BPD, a brother and a sister. It does manifest differently between the genders but their is one trait I do find they have (even if they wont admit it) is shame. There are periods of time, where even though they're under the influence of their many addictions, where they'll drop out of contact, or go reclusive, in a deep depression, because deep down they're worried about how their behavior has affected how people perceive them and on some level care (even though that care is mostly for themselves). I've spoken to others who have BPD family and partners and that period of reclusive shame (that is met with a screeching rage if you happen to be where they've chosen to retreat to) is common. Following this will be a period where they re-invent/re-discover themselves, suddenly becoming a hippy/straight-edge/avant-garde artist/current thing often with a change in clothing, new hair color, maybe new tattoos and image (and more screeching as you're not appreciating their new lifestyle/personality/whatever). There is a self-consciousness and image awareness that I think Ralph just does not have in my personal experience with BPD.

There is always overbleed with cluster B personalities, but given the lack of shame and remorse (even if that remorse is for the entirely wrong reasons) has me agreeing with @3322 that it is ASPD. I get that this is all gay armchair psychology shit, and that all cluster Bs are psychotic blackholes of interpersonal malfunction but Ralph fits more neatly of the diagnosis of low functioning sociopath than NPD or BPD, especially when we have stories of him being cruel and violent towards animals during childhood.

I'd disagree. Rage is the most common emotion that is seen by people outside that person's close friends and family, as it tends to be explosive and projected at others. But the crushing grief, and depression, and shame those with BPD experience is usually directed internally, or is shared very privately (often used to emotionally manipulate others).

Distorted self-image and lack of a clear sense of self can result in those sorts of "image reinventions", but they can be all-encompassing or almost imperceptible. It isn't that they rediscover themselves, so much as that they don't really know who they are to begin with. Their identity is in a manner of speaking, fragmented, and they can't seem to combine those shards into a whole, healthy self-image. But not every patient with BPD struggles with a distorted sense of self either.

Men with BPD are often misdiagnosed as having NPD or even ASPD, because the way each gender expresses symptoms can appear very similar.

 

[Smarty Pants]

Apparently laughing about him getting physically beaten is based, but discussing why is cringe. So I usually refrain.
Maybe it would be for the best to quarantine all armchair evals in a thread though...

Both are based. I would make a thread myself but I'd rather encourage someone who has a Psych background to do it.

 

[Capt. Jean Luc Ritard]

I don’t really get the comparisons between CWC and Ethan Ralph. On the one hand (note that when I list the following traits, they all seem like they are referring to Chris Chan but I actually have not said yet who they are referring to, this will be important later on) one is a fat, smelly actual retard who has lost all touch with reality and has shown he is a truly depraved and psycopathic individual, and the other is Chris Chan.

 

[Blue Miaplacidus]

I've maintained for a while that Ralph would likely be diagnosed with BPD, and there are multiple examples of his behavior that line up. But every time I write about it, people sperg out over "armchair psychology". Apparently laughing about him getting physically beaten is based, but discussing why is cringe. So I usually refrain.
Maybe it would be for the best to quarantine all armchair evals in a thread though...


I'd disagree. Rage is most often the emotion that is seen by people outside that person's close friends and family, as it tends to be explosive and projected at others. But the crushing grief, and depression, and shame those with BPD experience is usually directed internally, or is shared very privately (often used to emotionally manipulate others).

Distorted self-image and lack of a clear sense of self can result in those sorts of "image reinventions", but they can be all-encompassing or almost imperceptible. It isn't that they rediscover themselves, so much as that they don't really know who they are to begin with. Their identity is in a manner of speaking, fragmented, and they can't seem to combine those shards into a whole, healthy self-image. But not every patient with BPD struggles with a distorted sense of self either.

Men with BPD are often misdiagnosed as having NPD or even ASPD, because the way each gender expresses symptoms can appear very similar.

armchair psychology, cringe

 

[Popper Whiting]

I've maintained for a while that Ralph would likely be diagnosed with BPD, and there are multiple examples of his behavior that line up. But every time I write about it, people sperg out over "armchair psychology". Apparently laughing about him getting physically beaten is based, but discussing why is cringe. So I usually refrain.
Maybe it would be for the best to quarantine all armchair evals in a thread though...


I'd disagree. Rage is the most common emotion that is seen by people outside that person's close friends and family, as it tends to be explosive and projected at others. But the crushing grief, and depression, and shame those with BPD experience is usually directed internally, or is shared very privately (often used to emotionally manipulate others).

Distorted self-image and lack of a clear sense of self can result in those sorts of "image reinventions", but they can be all-encompassing or almost imperceptible. It isn't that they rediscover themselves, so much as that they don't really know who they are to begin with. Their identity is in a manner of speaking, fragmented, and they can't seem to combine those shards into a whole, healthy self-image. But not every patient with BPD struggles with a distorted sense of self either.

Men with BPD are often misdiagnosed as having NPD or even ASPD, because the way each gender expresses symptoms can appear very similar.

The image change in my opinion is another manipulation, it's a "look I've changed" half to convince others half to convince themselves. As stupid as it sounds a lot of the manipulation is also an attempt at manipulation on themselves, creating a reality where they can be whatever the hell it is they feel they need to be to meet whatever it is that drives them. You're absolutely right that the identity is fragmented.

And cluster Bs in your life are a malignancy, a reality warping malignancy, instead of trying to conform to the real world there is a pig headed insistance that reality conforms to them and their whims, and they'll seek to destroy that which they feel doesn't.

Again armchair psychology, but having grown up with them I can honestly say I hate Cluster Bs on a level I don't think is healthy for me, and have an almost 6th sense at picking them before others cotton onto it. Ralph, like Amber Heard and Zoe Quinn, is without a doubt a cluster B, which is hard in itself to diagnose unless an experienced psych sits down and properly examines them.

 

[Davis O'Shaughnessy]

Advanced psych training says, borderline personality disorder manifests in men as rage, often. (Women too, though women & men often express rage differently.) Women are over Dx-ed w/ BPD, men, under diagnosed. Most men with BPD have severe rage issues, I know a dude with this Dx, very chill dude now. He is super angry & rage filled, at the drop of a dime, but, he’s been getting proper BPD care for 15 years, & has learned about how to handle that shit. He comes off chill for the last decade, you wouldn’t even know he’s BPD. It’s rare, but occasionally cluster b personality types can learn to regulate.

Ralphamale however will likely never face the issue, let alone learn to function. I’ve stayed out of the “Gunt is BPD” discussion as it comes up often, in many threads, as many cows are very cluster B/ axis II/ especially NPD & BPD, & I get sick of the arm chair BS, plus I don’t want to become resident psychologist on KF, but, yes, Gunt is a dead ringer for BPD+ other Dx’s. % textbook case.

You See this is why i can't stand modern psychiatry. You motherfuckers come Up with Million useless words to come to the conclusion that yes, Ralph is a fat retard.

 

[JustStopDude]

It's got to be weird to be a psychiatrist. Go to any random message board and ever random user is an expert in your discipline.

 

[Popper Whiting]

It's got to be weird to be a psychiatrist. Go to any random message board and ever random user is an expert in your discipline.

Maybe not in the discipline, but live around these fucking nutters you become an expert in their nuttery and cataloguing it for their psychiatrist.

 

[Zilortha]

Both are based. I would make a thread myself but I'd rather encourage someone who has a Psych background to do it.

I have a background, but I'm wary of making a thread like that because of the reasons I talked about previously (and because iirc, at one point Null outright chastised people speculating about someone's mental health). If one got ok'd I'd probably contribute though.

armchair psychology, cringe

lol. I had that one coming

The image change in my opinion is another manipulation, it's a "look I've changed" half to convince others half to convince themselves. As stupid as it sounds a lot of the manipulation is also an attempt at manipulation on themselves, creating a reality where they can be whatever the hell it is they feel they need to be to meet whatever it is that drives them. You're absolutely right that the identity is fragmented.

And cluster Bs in your life are a malignancy, a reality warping malignancy, instead of trying to conform to the real world there is a pig headed insistance that reality conforms to them and their whims, and they'll seek to destroy that which they feel doesn't.

Again armchair psychology, but having grown up with them I can honestly say I hate Cluster Bs on a level I don't think is healthy for me, and have an almost 6th sense at picking them before others cotton onto it. Ralph, like Amber Heard and Zoe Quinn, is without a doubt a cluster B, which is hard in itself to diagnose unless an experienced psych sits down and properly examines them.

It can be, that's true. But it all sort of stems from the fact that they don't know what makes them... well, them, because their sense of self is fractured.

A normal person's sense of self is like looking into a mirror and seeing their mirror image clearly. But for someone with BPD, it's like the mirror is shattered and their mirror image is distorted and missing pieces. In some cases, instead of relying on their own sense of self, they might take identity cues from others, leading to "chameleon-like" behavior.

But you're right about it being difficult to diagnose someone without sitting down with them. Actually, speculating is a just a teensy bit unethical, simply because it's never so cut and dry as people prefer to make it. This is actually clear when you look at the previous symptom (lack of a clear sense of self) and look at all the possible causes and motivations. Without really digging in, there's no way you could ever be certain. But since BPD patients often lie to their therapists, it's hard to know either way.

 

[Bush King]

The image change in my opinion is another manipulation, it's a "look I've changed" half to convince others half to convince themselves. As stupid as it sounds a lot of the manipulation is also an attempt at manipulation on themselves, creating a reality where they can be whatever the hell it is they feel they need to be to meet whatever it is that drives them. You're absolutely right that the identity is fragmented.

And cluster Bs in your life are a malignancy, a reality warping malignancy, instead of trying to conform to the real world there is a pig headed insistance that reality conforms to them and their whims, and they'll seek to destroy that which they feel doesn't.

Again armchair psychology, but having grown up with them I can honestly say I hate Cluster Bs on a level I don't think is healthy for me, and have an almost 6th sense at picking them before others cotton onto it. Ralph, like Amber Heard and Zoe Quinn, is without a doubt a cluster B, which is hard in itself to diagnose unless an experienced psych sits down and properly examines them.

Also have to remember that it's a spectrum and that diagnosing a mental disorder is essentially ticking boxes off a chart. There are also drugs to help these people. Episodes are episodes, so those who only have episodes can be normal most of the time, and only a bit crazy occasionally. Anyone you suspect to have some kind of disorder is unlikely to be on meds, and unlikely to be diagnosed. They are going to be the ones who are the most crazy.

People with BPD can be your extremes of genuine climbing-up-the-walls crazy or just those who are chronically depressed/anxious and normal anti-depressants don't do the job (think your second girlfriend that you stuck with for two years because you didn't want to lose the sex).

 

[Blue Miaplacidus]

In some cases, instead of relying on their own sense of self, they might take identity cues from others, leading to "chameleon-like" behavior.

One of the few things ralph has consistently done since he appeared on the internet is morph into the people he's interacting with. From gooble gobble to america first, he has drastically changed to fit in with the "internet cool kids". It's also why I find it hilarious that one of Meigh's reasons she's soooo attracted to retard ralph is "he's not afraid to be himself". fucking lol.

 

[Popper Whiting]

I have a background, but I'm wary of making a thread like that because of the reasons I talked about previously (and because iirc, at one point Null outright chastised people speculating about someone's mental health). If one got ok'd I'd probably contribute though.

lol. I had that one coming

It can be, that's true. But it all sort of stems from the fact that they don't know what makes them... well, them, because their sense of self is fractured.

A normal person's sense of self is like looking into a mirror and seeing their mirror image clearly. But for someone with BPD, it's like the mirror is shattered and their mirror image is distorted and missing pieces. In some cases, instead of relying on their own sense of self, they might take identity cues from others, leading to "chameleon-like" behavior.

But you're right about it being difficult to diagnose someone without sitting down with them. Actually, speculating is a just a teensy bit unethical, simply because it's never so cut and dry as people prefer to make it. This is actually clear when you look at the previous symptom (lack of a clear sense of self) and look at all the possible causes and motivations. Without really digging in, there's no way you could ever be certain. But since BPD patients often lie to their therapists, it's hard to know either way.

OK, we cant really diagnose him for any cluster B due to difficulties and ethical reasons but I think given video evidence we can diagnose Ethan Ralph as a fecalphiliac.

 

[Zilortha]

OK, we cant really diagnose him for any cluster B due to difficulties and ethical reasons but I think given video evidence we can diagnose Ethan Ralph as a fecalphiliac.

That one isn't even speculation lol

 

[RollerGator]

I got your diagnosis. He's fat and retarded.

 

[Smarty Pants]

I have a background, but I'm wary of making a thread like that because of the reasons I talked about previously (and because iirc, at one point Null outright chastised people speculating about someone's mental health). If one got ok'd I'd probably contribute though.

@Null can we please make a containment thread for armchair psychiatry? More than just speculating, in the Alice DM's we have statements by Ethan saying that his dad was a schizo, so there's a family history of mental illness.

 

[Zilortha]

@Null can we please make a containment thread for armchair psychiatry? More than just speculating, in the Alice DM's we have statements by Ethan saying that his dad was a schizo, so there's a family history of mental illness.

inb4 the "make the thread retards" post from null lol

I got your diagnosis. He's fat and retarded.

No matter the speculation, this is the real truth.

 

[NicoFountaine]

In this thread:

Hello this is Dr. Grande.
Today's question is, can I analyze the mental health and personality of Ethan Oliver Ralph?

Remember I am not diagnosing anybody in this video, only speculating about what could be happening in a situation like this....

 

[3322]

You've mixed up the use of psychopath and sociopath to the point idk if you mistakenly thought they used the wrong one, if you've used the wrong one, or even which one you think applies to gunt or if I've been Gaslight my whole life but I think psychopath is the mongs and sociopaths are the criminally calculated and collected uncaring types.

Difference between Psychopathy and Sociopathy
I haven't said anything about which one I think Ralph is. My comment was just on the difference between the two, not an armchair diagnosis. The person I replied to said they don't think he's a sociopath because he is not charming, smart or cunning, you don't need to be either of those things to be a sociopath.