Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[Sociopathic Smeghead]

He was likely unmedicated with his illness and that didn’t help, but it’s not abuse.

Medical neglect is a legitimate safeguarding term. Given what we've seen with her smelling salts and lavender oil bullshit, I doubt she'd have been willing to give him the appropriate medication even if his behaviour was off the rails, which we've seen time and time again with his suspensions from school. Poor kid suffered in life and now he's suffering in brain-death, all because of his attention-seeking, uneducated "yummy mummy."

 

[trance_glory]

Christian Concern have been posting a bunch of interviews with Hollie Dance on their YouTube channel including this one from GB News. Another version of the rabbit and the stairs story - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpSQ-R92k_8

 

[A tree]

Christian Concern have been posting a bunch of interviews with Hollie Dance on their YouTube channel including this one from GB News. Another version of the rabbit and the stairs story - https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wpSQ-R92k_8

The timing of the story seems to have changed. Originally it was right after she laughed with him about the rabbit that she found the rabbit on the stairs and then him. Now she's taken a phone call, pottered around and searched the house for him before finding him. She's adding and changing details. She's lying.

 

[trance_glory]

She's lying.

I noticed at the beginning, when she was talking about Archie's personality, she was quite relaxed, looking at the interviewer. But when she started talking about the 'accident' her attitude changed - she looked away a couple of times and started scratching her neck.

 

[FarmVille]

ADHD tends to run in families, so it’s not unlikely that she has a touch of it as well. Probably undiagnosed and never medicated. Not an excuse but it could explain if she were extra snappish.

No PL here, I’ve led a charmed life, but I honestly don’t like to “blame” suicide on anyone but the person who committed it. There’s just too much going on mentally inside a person that isn’t rational, and that a rational healthy person can’t comprehend.
People generally don’t want their loved ones to neck themselves even when they are pissed off and there is a very slim faction of parents truly abusive enough that one could say that they caused it. Archie’s mom may have been a bit of a snappish cunt, but lots of moms are snappish cunts. He was fed, clothed, not hit or beaten. He was likely unmedicated with his illness and that didn’t help, but it’s not abuse.

There’s been a known increase in child suicide during the pandemic and preteens are more likely to impulsively commit suicide.

Even when adults commit suicide there’s rarely one singular reason why so I think it’s fucked up to assume it must be because of the mother.

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

There’s been a known increase in child suicide during the pandemic and preteens are more likely to impulsively commit suicide.

Even when adults commit suicide there’s rarely one singular reason why so I think it’s fucked up to assume it must be because of the mother.

Sounds like it's partly due to a lot of sucky parents out there? If being at home over the pandemic pushed them over...

 

[A tree]

Sounds like it's partly due to a lot of sucky parents out there? If being at home over the pandemic pushed them over...

Yep child abuse ramped up massively. And spousal abuse.

I'm gonna bet that given the outstanding levels of autism here plenty of farmers were once "gifted kids". Maybe it's projection or maybe some of us are picking up a vibe from that woman that's horribly familiar.

 

[brooky]

You can believe that there were abusive or at least dysfunctional dynamics involved, without believing Hollie is an unfeeling abusive bitch. I doubt she ever hurt him on purpose or meant to make him feel bad. I like to believe that most parents are generally doing their best, and sometimes their best just isn't good enough. Love doesn't make you magically capable of parenting a difficult child, especially if you're dealing with your own issues. I can't imagine Hollie's own upbringing was perfect. Nobody's is.

I think she knows it wasn't an accident and she's deluding herself out of guilt. I don't think she can be blamed for that. But dragging this out is grotesque, and doing it publicly is even worse. Ironically for her, it's making her look more guilty (for the death) than I think is warranted.

 

[A tree]

You can believe that there were abusive or at least dysfunctional dynamics involved, without believing Hollie is an unfeeling abusive bitch. I doubt she ever hurt him on purpose or meant to make him feel bad. I like to believe that most parents are generally doing their best, and sometimes their best just isn't good enough. Love doesn't make you magically capable of parenting a difficult child, especially if you're dealing with your own issues. I can't imagine Hollie's own upbringing was perfect. Nobody's is.

I think she knows it wasn't an accident and she's deluding herself out of guilt. I don't think she can be blamed for that. But dragging this out is grotesque, and doing it publicly is even worse. Ironically for her, it's making her look more guilty (for the death) than I think is warranted.

Pushy stage parents absolutely don't wake up In the morning and think "how am i gonna fuck my kid up today". They have a warped perception of their own self worth and a value system that's about prizes and accolades. They have a deep need for external validation and that comes in the form of "proving" what a great parent you are by showing off your highly accomplished offspring. It comes like all narcisisitic behaviours from a deep buried sense of personal inadequacy. Unfortunately these things are often generational and the child's mental health is just collateral damage in mothers quest to show her own, often dead, internalised parents that she is worthy of praise.

 

[Shitted Scaredless]

Yep child abuse ramped up massively. And spousal abuse.

I'm gonna bet that given the outstanding levels of autism here plenty of farmers were once "gifted kids". Maybe it's projection or maybe some of us are picking up a vibe from that woman that's horribly familiar.

Spoiler: Powerlevel

yep. Used to read at an eighth grade level at a very young age and they never thought to test me for autism. Look how I ended up. On the farms.

They should bring back parenting classes

 

[AnOminous]

You can believe that there were abusive or at least dysfunctional dynamics involved, without believing Hollie is an unfeeling abusive bitch. I doubt she ever hurt him on purpose or meant to make him feel bad. I like to believe that most parents are generally doing their best, and sometimes their best just isn't good enough. Love doesn't make you magically capable of parenting a difficult child, especially if you're dealing with your own issues. I can't imagine Hollie's own upbringing was perfect. Nobody's is.

A 12 year old is ripped like Gohan? I'm sure it was his idea to roid up at that age.

 

[Niuhp]

Sounds like it's partly due to a lot of sucky parents out there? If being at home over the pandemic pushed them over...

If you haven't experienced covert or overt abusive behavioural patterns in your own life, it can be hard to spot them elsewhere. It's skills building and some people don't have them. Some people are also hyper sensitive and do project, so context is everything when it comes to potentially abusive parents.

The red flags for me in this case are situational. Per Hollie's description of the positioning of the ligature on his neck when she found him, he had suicidal intent. While suicide is often an act of impulse, that impulse comes from a sense of inescapable and irreconcilable bleakness. That a 12 year old child would feel such bleakness that they're picking suicide over the many other self-destructive outlets available to the average British youth is a red flag. It's an even further red flag when you consider his mother is his primary custodial parent, and the one he spent the pandemic with.

Second, it's been observed that Hollie is a stage parent. There have been many descriptors above, and while I'd like to see the photo of him flexing as benign, I just can't. If it was him on his own , flexing in the context of some sort of achievement or competition, I could understand it, but it's not. It's a mirror selfie with her, and the achievement is his flexing.

An article in The Sun has her saying her hope is that he will recover and return to MMA and gymnastics, but I haven't seen or heard her say that she wants him to recover so she can spend a little more time with him.

We know he's had struggles in school and with unmanaged ADHD, and I think that's relevant to his physique and the amount of time he'd have to spend gaining it. Yes ADHD kids are energetic, but it's the parents responsibility to ensure the child is learning healthy and appropriate ways to manage and channel that energy. Not by letting them train to ascend to fucking super saiyan. Full disclosure I didn't think it was possible for a prepubescent body to achieve that state of musculature but I don't know shit about endocrinology so I'm not equipped to speak on it further.

All that to say, Hollie is registering to me as someone who sees her son as a thing rather than a person. Her emotional connection is not to him, it's to his image as an athlete and her own in relation to that. She's not ready to give that up yet, hence the media campaign.

I feel strongly enough about this that I stopped lurking to write this autistic fucking booklet, but I'd love to be proven wrong. It would make the situation that little less sad.

 

[A tree]

If you haven't experienced covert or overt abusive behavioural patterns in your own life, it can be hard to spot them elsewhere. It's skills building and some people don't have them. Some people are also hyper sensitive and do project, so context is everything when it comes to potentially abusive parents.

The red flags for me in this case are situational. Per Hollie's description of the positioning of the ligature on his neck when she found him, he had suicidal intent. While suicide is often an act of impulse, that impulse comes from a sense of inescapable and irreconcilable bleakness. That a 12 year old would feel such bleakness that they're picking suicide over the many other self-destructive outlets available to the average British youth is a red flag. It's an even further red flag when you consider his mother is his primary custodial parent, and the one he spent the pandemic with.

Second, it's been observed that Hollie is a stage parent. There have been many descriptors above, and while I'd like to see the photo of him flexing as benign, I just can't. If it was him on his own , flexing in the context of some sort of achievement or competition, I could understand it, but it's not. It's a mirror selfie with her, and the achievement is his flexing.

An article in The Sun has her saying her hope is that he will recover and return to MMA and gymnastics, but I haven't seen or heard her say that she wants him to recover so she can spend a little more time with him.

We know he's had struggles in school and with unmanaged ADHD, and I think that's relevant to his physique and the amount of time he'd have to spend gaining it. Yes ADHD kids are energetic, but it's the parents responsibility to ensure the child is learning healthy and appropriate ways to manage and channel that energy. Not by letting them train to ascend to fucking super saiyan. Full disclosure I didn't think it was possible for a prepubescent body to achieve that state of musculature but I don't know shit about endocrinology so I'm not equipped to speak on it further.

All that to say, Hollie is registering to me as someone who sees her son as a thing rather than a person. Her emotional connection is not to him, it's to his image as an athlete and her own in relation to that. She's not ready to give that up yet, hence the media campaign.

I feel strongly enough about this that I stopped lurking to write this autistic fucking booklet, but I'd love to be proven wrong. It would make the situation that little less sad.

If I could agree twice i would. You don't think that musculature could have involved *supplements* do you? There was a boy out in Kazakhstan I think who's mum was giving him steroids to make him a sumo wrestler so she could get rich and get out the ghetto but also loads of attention becuse their local village culture venerated a giant and loved huge obese kids.

 

[brooky]

A 12 year old is ripped like Gohan? I'm sure it was his idea to roid up at that age.

In an earlier comment I said I believed his depression was 100% caused by bad home life, since 12 is usually too young for the organic mental illnesses that cause suicidal ideation on their own. All I'm saying is that Hollie could be abusive or neglectful without being a cackling witch who enjoys her child's suffering. Whatever misguided thing she did, she probably thought it was the right thing to do, as she's deluding herself into believing this is the right thing to do.

 

[FarmVille]

Sounds like it's partly due to a lot of sucky parents out there? If being at home over the pandemic pushed them over...

Everyone I know with school aged children has noticed them being generally more depressed or having existing issues become worse. Shits been really rough for kids.

 

[Niuhp]

If I could agree twice i would. You don't think that musculature could have involved *supplements* do you? There was a boy out in Kazakhstan I think who's mum was giving him steroids to make him a sumo wrestler so she could get rich and get out the ghetto but also loads of attention becuse their local village culture venerated a giant and loved huge obese kids.

I was under the impression that children needed to have hit puberty for that kind of muscle development, I could be wrong. Either way, the age puberty starts varies wildly, so who knows?

In an earlier comment I said I believed his depression was 100% caused by bad home life, since 12 is usually too young for the organic mental illnesses that cause suicidal ideation on their own. All I'm saying is that Hollie could be abusive or neglectful without being a cackling witch who enjoys her child's suffering. Whatever misguided thing she did, she probably thought it was the right thing to do, as she's deluding herself into believing this is the right thing to do.

I don't think anyone is saying that she's a cackling witch who enjoys her child's suffering, but I do think you've articulated a very common misconception. Abusive parents convince themselves they are doing what's best for their child. Neglect in a safeguarding sense is rarely intentional and often comes from ignorance. Deluding yourself that you're doing the right thing is a key factor of being an abusive parent.

There's no seperation between 'intentional' and 'unintentional' abusive/neglective parenting because the damage occurs to the child either way. Trying to create that seperation allows for some denial of accountability that allows for shitty behaviours to continue

 

[AnOminous]

All I'm saying is that Hollie could be abusive or neglectful without being a cackling witch who enjoys her child's suffering.

It's worse. They honestly don't care. They have this thing they want to turn their kid into and give absolutely zero shits about the cost. They don't know they're monsters, but they are.

I don't think anyone is saying that she's a crackling witch who enjoys her child's suffering, but I do think you've articulated a very common misconception. Abusive parents convince themselves they are doing what's best for their child.

They would insist they were doing what was good for the child, because they can't conceive of the child having their own wishes. The child probably has even reassured them that they want to do this shit, because they see what happens when they don't go along with it.

It's not always just going full Mommie Dearest, but just letting them know in emotionally cruel ways how much of a disappointment they are and it's too bad they'll never amount to anything.

If the kid internalizes that, suicide starts looking like an option especially if they already have some endogenous issues.

 

[GenociderSyo]

They claim she's going to PT and learning to sit up. Yet they always have her lying flat on her back... Put her in a chair or stroller and let her experience the world from a different angle. What's the point in going on vacation if she'll be forced to stare at ceilings?

They used to claim no one would work with her. She had more ablitity to move her arms before but they stopped having her reach for things and she lost that tmovement.

Would any of the med kiwis be able to elaborate on the difference between a coma, vegetative state, minimally conscious state, and brain death?

The terms come up in this thread and when researching other similar past cases like Jahi and Teri Schiavo, and it seems a bit confusing to an average lay person. Are these different names for similar things, is one an umbrella for the other, is it a spectrum?

This is more written for the thead its from but heres what I posted about the differences in Luna's thead:

Glascgow Coma Scale with Modifications for Toddlers/Infants

"According to independent t-test, there is a statistically significant relationship between Glasgow Coma Scale and hydrocephalus (P=0.03)" Worse the hydrocephalus the lower the score the P means that there was a 99.97% this was NOT due to chance.

She shows reflexes also that should not exist at her age such as the Palmer grasp reflex which is what you see in very young infants that allows them to grasp your fingers if you touch the middle of their palm. At her age this is another clear indication of brain damage and usually means issues with the frontal lobe. She shows sunning, conjugate down gaze in the primary position, which is a sign of high intracranial pressure most commonly shown in patients with failed hydrocephalus shunts.

Due to lack of ability to close eyes it is hard to score her on that I don't believe we have ever seen her make meaningful eye contact.
Eye opening : 1
Motor Response : 3
Verbal Response : 2 (Anything videoed to show her agitated has been grunts and not normal crys for direct means)
Total : 6

Categorization:
Best Score : 15
Coma: No eye opening, no ability to follow commands, no word verbalizations ( 3 - 8 )
Unresponsive : 3 or below

Brain Injury Classification:
Minor Brain Injury----GCS score of 13 to 15
Moderate Brain Injury----GCS score of 9 to 12
Severe Brain Injury----GCS score of 3 to 8
Profound Brain Injury----GCS score of 3 or lower

Flowchart to Decide on Persistent Vegetative State (PVS) vs Minimally Conscious State (MCS)

It is quite obvious that the answer to "Is the Patient Conscious?" is a no which rules out MCS right off the bat. Next we chest for brainstem function and apnea, she obviously has brainstem function and nothing has been stated about apnea so we can rule out brain death. Now we look at sleep/wake cycles and if her eyes are open to stimulation or spontaneously. There is no way to know if her eyes open/close since her head is swollen to the point of effecting this, but we do know she has sleep cycles from posts her parents have made. Thus coma is ruled out and she is in a Persistent Vegetative State.

Figure 1. Technical Info on CMS vs PVS Figure 2. Outcomes for PVS

The definition of Traumatic vs Non-Traumatic brain injury is a simple one. Traumatic involves an external force such as a car wreck or shaken baby syndrome. Whereas Non-traumatic is any injury that is internal such as drowning, hypoxia, aneurysms, brain tumors, etc.

As for Luna, she has a non-traumatic brain injury that wherein her persistive vegative state has lasted for over 6 months. Removing her disorder itself form the equation she would be 97% likely to remain in the PVS after a year and 3% to be severely disabled if she went into a MCS.

On another note SBSK posted today shows you what happens when someone is severely brain injured as a child and survives into adulthood:

 

[Allo Vera]

I don't recognize this one... Details?

I’d forgotten about this little boy. He’s 6 or 7 years old.

This is what he has: https://medlineplus.gov/genetics/condition/rhizomelic-chondrodysplasia-punctata/

Mother is “hannahkatelyn” on Instagram. Haven’t checked the account in a long time and wow, he’s looking a lot worse. Poor kid. But he has no idea what’s going on, which is a mercy.

 

[discombobulated]

Everyone I know with school aged children has noticed them being generally more depressed or having existing issues become worse. Shits been really rough for kids.

Yeah I know so many young teens who are struggling majorly with their mental health the last couple of years. Moreso than usual at this age.

Spoiler: Personal experience

One of mine is just turned 14, diagnosed autism, also assessed as likely an anxiety disorder, but our good ol' CAMHS "don't treat anxiety in autistic kids". She's a shell of herself. Has barely been at school for two years, self harming, disordered eating, spontaneous crying, swings between sleeping constantly and insomnia.

I wont lie, the posts about kids that age only having issues if theyve got shitty parents is stinging. I'm doing everything I can. I've had her back and forward to the GP since October 2020 and she finally has an 'urgent' appointment with CAMHS next week, after already been cancelled on.

Mental health support in the UK is woefully inadequate. She needs help, and I need help to help her, but its just not there.