Should lolicon / shotacon be considered drawn child pornography?

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Nigga fuck the law.
The mere talk, no matter how jokingly, about wanting to fuck a kid is Red Alert enough.
Imagine knowing someone who blurts out jabs how sexy little kids are, you would treat that shit as normal, motherfucker?
Now consider drawing that kind of shit.

 

[byuu]

It depresses me that our civilization has become so wretchedly corrupt, and sexual content has become so ubiquitous in the online space, that our brains have been chemically conditioned to proactively search for the lewd elements of any visual media we're presented with, rather than first assume an innocent context until proven otherwise. I just want to go back to a time when you could enjoy cute stuff because it's cute, without thinking to myself 'hey, I wonder what degeneracy is lurking beneath the surface here'.

I think that's more because we're much more aware of child predators these days with all the very publicized cases of missing and abused children in modern mass media. Kids before the 80s didn't grew up with things like "Stranger Danger".

 

[LomaMursu]

No victim, no crime. That's as far as I care because anything further will just turn into another slippery slope of thought crimes

 

[Osmosis Jones]

Give pedophiles no quarter. No fake porn, no communities, no acceptance, no recognition. A pedophile is a pedophile is a pedophile. We've seen what happens when we give an inch to weirdos.

 

[ComedyEnjoyer]

Lolifags are pedophiles, and any claim to the contrary is fucking retarded on its face. In the same way anyone who jerks off to drawn cuckold porn is a cuck, anyone who jerks off to drawn scat is a poop fetishist, ect. In an ideal world they would have their heads crushed by rocks, but I'm still against any regulation about what someone can and can't draw. I think for victimless degeneracy the ideal solution is still ostracization.

 

[Chris_Stuckmann]

I'm not going to @ Null because I know he hates it, but I wanna say this. I'm perfectly willing to concede that the people who browse the loli boards on imageboards are probably pedophiles. If you regularly search out porn featuring prepubescent children, then it doesn't really matter all that much whether or not they're illustrated. I don't think it should be illegal, but it is pedo.

However, teenagers are not prepubescent, and teenagers illustrated in a manga style are visibly indistinguishable from adults illustrated in an anime style. Virtue signaling over the age of consent for comic book characters is retarded.

The charge against Flamenco, as I understand it, is that he was caught with hentai in which a fifteen year old boy has sex with older women. This, in the eyes of the anti-porn gang, makes him a pedophile. This is retarded. A fifteen year old boy is not a shota. A fifteen year old boy doesn't have the sex characteristics of a child. In this particular case, the fifteen year old boy isn't even the object of arousal for the porn- the women are.

When you call somebody a pedophile, that should mean something. It shouldn't mean "you're a degenerate who masturbates to hentai" because that's too broad. It shouldn't mean "you're attracted to fictional teenagers" because that's too normal. Twilight had millions of thirsty fans despite the characters being underage, would you call all those women pedophiles? The word "pedophile" should mean something, but it doesn't anymore.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

I'm not going to @ Null because I know he hates it, but I wanna say this. I'm perfectly willing to concede that the people who browse the loli boards on imageboards are probably pedophiles. If you regularly search out porn featuring prepubescent children, then it doesn't really matter all that much whether or not they're illustrated. I don't think it should be illegal, but it is pedo.

However, teenagers are not prepubescent, and teenagers illustrated in a manga style are visibly indistinguishable from adults illustrated in an anime style. Virtue signaling over the age of consent for comic book characters is retarded.

The charge against Flamenco, as I understand it, is that he was caught with hentai in which a fifteen year old boy has sex with older women. This, in the eyes of the anti-porn gang, makes him a pedophile. This is retarded. A fifteen year old boy is not a shota. A fifteen year old boy doesn't have the sex characteristics of a child. In this particular case, the fifteen year old boy isn't even the object of arousal for the porn- the women are.

When you call somebody a pedophile, that should mean something. It shouldn't mean "you're a degenerate who masturbates to hentai" because that's too broad. It shouldn't mean "you're attracted to fictional teenagers" because that's too normal. Twilight had millions of thirsty fans despite the characters being underage, would you call all those women pedophiles? The word "pedophile" should mean something, but it doesn't anymore.

To anyone who doesn't engage in the world of paraphilia and degeneracy, pedophile is a catch-all term for anyone attracted to any type of minor. We don't need the other denominations and types of "minor-attracted persons." If you like minors, you're a pedophile and a degenerate and that's all that needs to be said. To throw around terms like ephebephilia (sp) is to suggest that one is less bad than the other. It's not. It's all equally despicable.

 

[Lurker]

To anyone who doesn't engage in the world of paraphilia and degeneracy, pedophile is a catch-all term for anyone attracted to any type of minor. We don't need the other denominations and types of "minor-attracted persons." If you like minors, you're a pedophile and a degenerate and that's all that needs to be said. To throw around terms like ephebephilia (sp) is to suggest that one is less bad than the other. It's not. It's all equally despicable.

 

[Chris_Stuckmann]

To anyone who doesn't engage in the world of paraphilia and degeneracy, pedophile is a catch-all term for anyone attracted to any type of minor. We don't need the other denominations and types of "minor-attracted persons." If you like minors, you're a pedophile and a degenerate and that's all that needs to be said. To throw around terms like ephebephilia (sp) is to suggest that one is less bad than the other. It's not. It's all equally despicable.

Maybe in some puritanical alternate universe you would have a point, but the trouble is that we live on planet Earth. Fifteen is above the age of consent in most of the world. It has been above the age of consent for most of human history. The idea that illustrated, stylized porn involving fifteen year old characters is catering to pedophiles is laughable.

 

[Lurker]

Maybe in some puritanical alternate universe you would have a point, but the trouble is that we live on planet Earth. Fifteen is above the age of consent in most of the world. It has been above the age of consent for most of human history. The idea that illustrated, stylized porn involving fifteen year old characters is catering to pedophiles is laughable.

uhhhhhhhhhhhhh

just because other countries do it doesn't mean it's acceptable. if you're okay with sex between a 15 year old and an adult, that's... not good. there is a huge power imbalance that makes shit like that predatory and exploitative. and yeah, drawing porn of 15 year olds, stylized or not, is creepy and fucked up, so i'd imagine the people who draw it are in fact catering to pedophiles.

this is not a hill you want to die on.

 

[Chris_Stuckmann]

just because other countries do it doesn't mean it's acceptable. if you're okay with sex between a 15 year old and an adult, that's... not good. there is a huge power imbalance that makes shit like that predatory and exploitative. and yeah,

I agree.

and yeah, drawing porn of 15 year olds, stylized or not, is creepy and fucked up, so i'd imagine the people who draw it are in fact catering to pedophiles.

I don't agree. I don't think there's a connection between these two statements. If an artist wanted to cater to pedophiles, they'd draw shota or loli. They wouldn't draw teenage characters who look like adults.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

Maybe in some puritanical alternate universe you would have a point, but the trouble is that we live on planet Earth. Fifteen is above the age of consent in most of the world. It has been above the age of consent for most of human history. The idea that illustrated, stylized porn involving fifteen year old characters is catering to pedophiles is laughable.

>It's not as bad, I swear!

You're depicting people that we, here in the western world, consider incapable of consenting. There are further laws around consent than just the number you're given. Age of consent being 16 doesn't mean a 16 year old can consent to fuck a 40 year old. There are still limitations in any developed country.

Here's Canada for example.


Why can't you creeps understand that just because you can doesn't mean you should? A 15 year old is not developed enough to understand the capacity of a sexual encounter or its consequences, and they're extremely susceptible to being groomed, coerced, or exploited.

The only reason you'd depict 15 year olds sexually in art is because you get off on the power dynamic.

 

[Lurker]

I don't agree. I don't think there's a connection between these two statements. If an artist wanted to cater to pedophiles, they'd draw shota or loli. They wouldn't draw teenage characters who look like adults.

you're assuming that pedophiles are all interested in the same age range. there's a spectrum, unfortunately. an artist most certainly would draw porn of teenage characters to cater to the type of pedophiles that are into that age range.

 

[Chris_Stuckmann]

Why can't you creeps understand that just because you can doesn't mean you should? A 15 year old is not developed enough to understand the capacity of a sexual encounter or its consequences, and they're extremely susceptible to being groomed, coerced, or exploited.

The only reason you'd depict 15 year olds sexually in art is because you get off on the power dynamic.

You seem to be missing the point. I didn't bring up the age of consent because I actually wanted to have sex with teenagers. Nobody here is advocating for actually having sex with teenagers. I brought up the age of consent to counter the idea that attraction to teenagers is some sort of weird abnormality, and not something extremely normal.

As for the power dynamics, yes. Its degenerate. Its creepy. But its not pedophilia. We're talking about porn. Do you think people who masturbate to rape porn want to commit rape? Do you think people who masturbate to incest porn want to commit incest? These are the two most common fetishes in the world- one trip to PornHub can tell you that.

you're assuming that pedophiles are all interested in the same age range. there's a spectrum, unfortunately. an artist most certainly would draw porn of teenage characters to cater to the type of pedophiles that are into that age range.

There are certain circumstances where I could agree with you. For example, if somebody made porn involving a teenager in which the teen was intentionally portrayed as being extremely child-like. Flat chest, narrow hips, big eyes, etc. Overall, I don't think this is the case though, at least not with manga illustrations.

 

[Osmosis Jones]

As for the power dynamics, yes. Its degenerate. Its creepy. But its not pedophilia. We're talking about porn. Do you think people who masturbate to rape porn want to commit rape? Do you think people who masturbate to incest porn want to commit incest? These are the two most common fetishes in the world- one trip to PornHub can tell you that.

Yes.

 

[Chris_Stuckmann]

Yes.

Based but retarded.

 

[Wormy]

Fictional characters should not warrant legal intervention. Law enforcement only have so many resources and hours in the day.

But that said, anyone who cranks their hog to this sludge should immediately go on every radar possible and deserves every ounce of scorn and shunning one can give.

 

[The Quiet Eye]

I am going with, as long as you dont bring attention to that you watch shota / loli I dont care, the moment you bring attention to it, I will start to ignore you, if you start to defend it, I hope some people with black suit will start to investigate you.

 

[Kari Kamiya]

For the Deep Thoughts users confused, these posts were moved from the @Flamenco / Joshua Clayton Connor thread on the @theralph / Ethan Oliver Ralph / #Killstream board for derailing into philosophy.

Oh good, 'cause I was wondering why this thread came back out of dormancy. @Roasted continues to grace us with his unholy influence.

Anyway, this is worth reposting into this thread since it's been almost five years:

 

[Kermit Jizz]

I'm not going to @ Null because I know he hates it, but I wanna say this. I'm perfectly willing to concede that the people who browse the loli boards on imageboards are probably pedophiles. If you regularly search out porn featuring prepubescent children, then it doesn't really matter all that much whether or not they're illustrated. I don't think it should be illegal, but it is pedo.

However, teenagers are not prepubescent, and teenagers illustrated in a manga style are visibly indistinguishable from adults illustrated in an anime style. Virtue signaling over the age of consent for comic book characters is retarded.

The charge against Flamenco, as I understand it, is that he was caught with hentai in which a fifteen year old boy has sex with older women. This, in the eyes of the anti-porn gang, makes him a pedophile. This is retarded. A fifteen year old boy is not a shota. A fifteen year old boy doesn't have the sex characteristics of a child. In this particular case, the fifteen year old boy isn't even the object of arousal for the porn- the women are.

When you call somebody a pedophile, that should mean something. It shouldn't mean "you're a degenerate who masturbates to hentai" because that's too broad. It shouldn't mean "you're attracted to fictional teenagers" because that's too normal. Twilight had millions of thirsty fans despite the characters being underage, would you call all those women pedophiles? The word "pedophile" should mean something, but it doesn't anymore.

I kind of agree with your sentiment. As much as I hate pedos, I think we need to be careful not to cheapen the term. Slamming anyone who beats their meat to an "underage" anime character does that. As an example, which character is aimed towards pedos?

Spoiler: Semi-NSFW

Obviously the left appeals to normal men and the right is pedo bait, but the chick on the left is 9 and the one on the right is a centuries old demon. I don't think it'd be productive to call liking the left chick pedophilia and vice versa.

The whole loli thing is kind of pointless too, I've seen some clearly adult women in anime get labeled as lolis because they don't have G-cup titties. There's really no purpose to arguing semantics over loli, shota, and fake characters ages, just boil it down to this: If you are sexually attracted to childlike traits (physical or mental), you're a pedo.