Should lolicon / shotacon be considered drawn child pornography?

[Hollywood Hitler]

If you find kids attractive you are a pedophile, that's it, we can close the thread now.

what if you're only attracted to 2D kids drawn on paper?

 

[Wormy]

what if you're only attracted to 2D kids drawn on paper?

You're still a creep and I wouldn't want you over for dinner.

 

[Gig Bucking Fun]

It shouldn’t be illegal, but anyone who has an interest in these sorts of drawings is obviously at least pedophile-adjacent. I mean, for Christ’s sake, you’ve gone out of your way to look for something resembling a child to get off to. It’s like jerking off to a drawing of two guys fucking eachother and then asking yourself if it was gay or not because they were just drawings.

 

[ZippyZoopa]

what if you're only attracted to 2D kids drawn on paper?

"What if you are attracted to kids?"
You are a pedophile, simple as, there is no cope because it's "on paper" or not

 

[Hollywood Hitler]

It shouldn’t be illegal, but anyone who has an interest in these sorts of drawings is obviously at least pedophile-adjacent. I mean, for Christ’s sake, you’ve gone out of your way to look for something resembling a child to get off to. It’s like jerking off to a drawing of two guys fucking eachother and then asking yourself if it was gay or not because they were just drawings.

What if those 2 guys have really big tits?

 

[Colonel Gaddafi]

Probably not adding anything new to this conversation but…

No. Policing what someone draws is dictatorial and assorted pen lines are not victims. Where I draw the line is depictions of actual children (like tracing or the weird shit Shadman did). Other than that I think making it illegal would be a complete waste of resources, resources that could be poured into hunting actual predators exploiting actual kids.

As far as the consumers? I don’t believe everyone interested in lolicon is a pedophile, but it’s probably safe to say most if not all pedophiles consume loli/shota content. The problem is that loli can never satisfy the urge to seek out CP for real pedophiles, they need the real deal to fulfill their perversions. The same way a foot fetishist wants images of real feet or a necrophile is more likely to be attracted to sites like Documenting Reality rather than limiting themselves to guro manga. Banning it would make no difference in deviants seeking out actual children.

 

[Big Scumfuck]

"What if you are attracted to kids?"
You are a pedophile, simple as, there is no cope because it's "on paper" or not

Explain how fiction is reality then.

 

[ZippyZoopa]

Explain how fiction is reality then.

Why? You jerk off to children you are a pedo, cope

 

[Mothra1988]

Here's the problem. This is artowrk, cartoons. If you start sending people to jail for cartoons, how long before it's illegal to post edgy memes and then everyone in this website is sent to the gulag like they would be if Kiwi Farms was hosted in the UK. That's the thing about free speech. It's there to protect the disgusting shit you disagree with, not the stuff you already approve of or the entire concept falls apart due to picking and choosing what is acceptable. Also having the police actually going after people that molest or groom kids sounds like a way better use of time than prosecuting some autist in a basement somewhere that made a drawing of Lisa Simpson.

 

[Drazen]

I understand if people find it abhorrent, but it's important to approach the legality from the proper perspective. Are any real children involved, no. They are stylized drawings. Being attracted to something isn't illegal, only how you act on that attraction. Would you prefer individuals who are attracted to that stuff have no outlet at all, which very likely puts them at greater risk of abusing an actual person, or do you make some concessions and allow material that neither involves nor harms no child be available to them?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

We shouldn't solely use morals to regulate society.
Actual harm is what matters.

I'd say indirect harm is probably caused by shredding the moral fabric of society (not just pornography but other addictions and immorality we condone).

How do you make it effective though? How do you police people's sketchbooks for example? My wife joked that if porn was made illegal, she'd make a mint of greasy money just by selling dirty sketches.

I'm not a lawmaker, but it seems to me that we shouldn't base what is and isn't permissible behavior upon the effectiveness of restrictions, otherwise nothing would be illegal.

No. Policing what someone draws is dictatorial and assorted pen lines are not victims.

But we already police assorted pen lines, try penning an open letter threatening a prominent politician and your defense that they're just "pen lines" on paper won't get you off of the hook.

Other than that I think making it illegal would be a complete waste of resources, resources that could be poured into hunting actual predators exploiting actual kids.

I don't think anyone with half a brain would want to hunt down hentai fappers. Just make it a low level crime.

To be clear, it certainly shouldn't be treated equally to being an actual predator, that's just common sense.

Also having the police actually going after people that molest or groom kids sounds like a way better use of time than prosecuting some autist in a basement somewhere that made a drawing of Lisa Simpson.

Lisa Simpson falls into the realm of being so far removed from actual human anatomy that it becomes far less problematic, I think.

 

[Mothra1988]

I'd say indirect harm is probably caused by shredding the moral fabric of society (not just pornography but other addictions and immorality we condone).


I'm not a lawmaker, but it seems to me that we shouldn't base what is and isn't permissible behavior upon the effectiveness of restrictions, otherwise nothing would be illegal.


But we already police assorted pen lines, try penning an open letter threatening a prominent politician and your defense that they're just "pen lines" on paper won't get you off of the hook.


I don't think anyone with half a brain would want to hunt down hentai fappers. Just make it a low level crime.

To be clear, it certainly shouldn't be treated equally to being an actual predator, that's just common sense.


Lisa Simpson falls into the realm of being so far removed from actual human anatomy that it becomes far less problematic, I think.

I like that you came into this thread and you're so autistic you're now trying to argue with people that all porn should be banned and other immoralities and addictions (I can only imagine what those are), which demonstrates this has nothing to do with protecting kids for you.

I mean maybe the site owner telling you you were an idiot should have sunk in a bit, but I guess not. I'm guessing you're here because you're mad about your fascist and auhtoritarian point of view being shoved out of places without free speech, but then you come in here and advocate for ideas that would get this place shut down instantly with no self awarness at all. Like holy shit you literally said there's no standard for "pen lines on paper" being protected. How would this place exist after that is instituted, you complete dunce?

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

I like that you came into this thread and you're so autistic you're now trying to argue with people that all porn should be banned and other immoralites and addictions (I can only imagine what those are), which demonstrates this has nothing to do with protecting kids for you. I mean maybe the site owner telling you you were an idiot should have sunk in a bit, but I guess not. I'm guessing you're here becuase your'e mad about your fascist and auhtoritarian point of view being shoved out of places with out free speech, but then you come in here and advocate for ideas that would get this place shut down instantly with no self awarness at all. Like holy shit you literally said there's no standard for "pen lines on paper" being protected. How would this place exist after that is instituted, you complete dunce?

Relax retard, don't be so angry about rando opinions, nobody else seemed to have as much of a problem with anything I said as you do. I don't even feel that strongly about the issue one way or another, it's just an interesting topic to discuss, I'm not coming for your porn stash bud lmao

And Null didn't call me an idiot. Closest he got to that was saying I chimped out in the abortion thread, but apparently he hasn't read much in there because that's all anybody's doing in it. Speaking of chimping, you're chimping out right now

How am I advocating for anything that would get this place shut down? I'm advocating for things that would get places like ResetEra shut down, not KiwiFarms.

You're purposefully misrepresenting what I said about pen lines. Free speech is not absolute, nor should it be, that's all.

 

[Mothra1988]

Free speech is not absolute, nor should it be, that's all.

Exact same rhetoric as woke Twitter SJWs. Horsehose theory is real. Different flavor of faggotry, exact same goals that will produce the exact same result. Thank you founding fathers for having enough foresight to give us the minimal amount of protection needed against these kinds of idiots.

How am I advocating for anything that would get this place shut down? I'm advocating for things that would get places like ResetEra shut down, not KiwiFarms.

You literally have less respect for the concept of free speech than the Australian government does with what you have said in this thread. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what the practical implications of your point of view is when it comes to what would happen to Kiwi Farms.

 

[SSj_Ness (Yiffed)]

Exact same rhetoric as woke Twitter SJWs. Horsehose theory is real. Different flavor of faggotry, exact same goals that will produce the exact same result. Thank you founding fathers for having enough foresight to give us the minimal amount of protection needed against these kinds of idiots.

So you think it should he okay to threaten little old ladies with violent rape and murder? No? Then you support restricting speech, faggot.

You literally have less respect for the concept of free speech than the Australian government does with what you have said in this thread. It doesn't take a genius to figure out what the practical implications of your point of view is when it comes to what would happen to Kiwi Farms.

Nonsense, you're being vague on purpose because you can't actually articulate a rebuttal to anything I said.

 

[Aria]

Of course it shouldn't be illegal but everytime you call them out on their fetish they go so hard to defend it.

 

[Spud]

So you think it should he okay to threaten little old ladies with violent rape and murder? No? Then you support restricting speech, faggot.

If that's what it takes to be free and say nigger on the internet then so be it fuck those grannies.

 

[Wormy]

I'm not a lawmaker, but it seems to me that we shouldn't base what is and isn't permissible behavior upon the effectiveness of restrictions, otherwise nothing would be illegal.

But if it's not even effective, it's a waste of resources to make it illegal and another route has to be taken.

Not every good idea makes a good law.

 

[Big Scumfuck]

I'd say indirect harm is probably caused by shredding the moral fabric of society (not just pornography but other addictions and immorality we condone).

>muh indirect harm

That's not a thing. Either it directly harms and it should be illegal or it doesn't harm anyone and shouldn't be illegal. "Morality" is subjective. What's moral for the bee isn't moral for the bird.

Prohibition was a failure
The War on Drugs was a failure
Any ban on anything tends to absolutely fail.

Why? You jerk off to children you are a pedo, cope

If you think lines on paper are children, I have a bridge to sell you.
This sort of outlook is genuine, diagnosable schizophrenia.

 

[ZippyZoopa]

>muh indirect harm

That's not a thing. Either it directly harms and it should be illegal or it doesn't harm anyone and shouldn't be illegal. "Morality" is subjective. What's moral for the bee isn't moral for the bird.

Prohibition was a failure
The War on Drugs was a failure
Any ban on anything tends to absolutely fail.


If you think lines on paper are children, I have a bridge to sell you.
This sort of outlook is genuine, diagnosable schizophrenia.

No one said drawings are real you facetious degenerate