Are we ever going to find genuine sanity in society again? - Did 2014 really break us?

[Schway]

I'm surprised that after all that has happened some people here still think this is all some kind of fad, or weird internet thing rather than a reflection of deep cultural issues.

It's not going to go away because young people find it uncool now, that's been a cope since 2012s, and new generations are more fucked than ever. Do you really think the tranny/ssri generation will somehow return things to normal lol

 

[Syaoran Li]

I'm surprised that after all that has happened some people here still think this is all some kind of fad, or weird internet thing rather than a reflection of deep cultural issues.

It's not going to go away because young people find it uncool now, that's been a cope since 2012s, and new generations are more fucked than ever. Do you really think the tranny/ssri generation will somehow return things to normal lol

I do think it's going to go away and that's not a cope. But I don't think it'll be because the youngsters find it uncool, although that might happen way later down the road.

Nah, what's going to end Woke is not going to be Zoomers suddenly declaring it to be cringe, but pissed-off Gen X'ers, Late Boomers, and even some of the Millennials saying "enough is enough" and it all has to do with the economy being in shambles.

2020 was a shit test that was failed, but at the same time a lot of people were intentionally holding off fighting back against BLM because of the election. Everyone forgets about the whole "Scenario B" meme that the right was pushing at the time to avoid another repeat of Charlottesville.

The fact that they went as far as they did in 2020 also makes me think their grip isn't as ironclad as we might think.

Smug midwit traditionalist doomers fail to realize that the bigwigs blew most of their load with 2020 and are doing everything they can while they still have power, a lot of their big plans fell apart and shit keeps getting worse. More of the "normies" are realizing how badly the bigwigs hate them and like seeing them suffer.

Part of why Biden's administration and their corporate backers are so harsh and going full-tilt with wokeness and intentional decline is because they know they're on a limited timeframe.

Virginia's elections proved their electoral fortifying and general woke indoctrination isn't as invincible as they hoped. While Glenn Youngkin barely won in 2021, that was with fortifying and he still won and is going all out in his pushback. He hasn't quite hit the levels of DeSantis yet, but he also hasn't been in office for as long.

TLDR - Wokeness will die but it won't be from youngsters finding it to be uncool. It'll be because normies are pissed at the neoliberals and leftists who are pushing wokeness while they also sabotaged the economy.

All the doomerism has recently devolved into this weird form of a reverse cope at this point, and some of it is less true doomerism and more of an excuse so smug midwits can just keep being more smug.

 

[Mothra1988]

I'm surprised that after all that has happened some people here still think this is all some kind of fad, or weird internet thing rather than a reflection of deep cultural issues.

It's not going to go away because young people find it uncool now, that's been a cope since 2012s, and new generations are more fucked than ever. Do you really think the tranny/ssri generation will somehow return things to normal lol

Alternatively, expecting non-stop status quo after people can't afford gas or groceries is pretty ridiculous imo. Some doomers actually WANT things to get worse. That's part of /pol/'s official ridiculous political narrative now. That the only thing you have to look forward to is collapse and you should want it instead of improvements, which is good proof these people are LARPing losers without loved ones.

The idea history is all in one direction is ridiculous and not expecting changes in course at some point is not justified. The tranny stuff is absolutely a fad that will run out of gas at some point. That's not cope, it's absolutely a new age fashion trend that invovles body modification. Of course it's not going to be en vogue forever esepcially when more people have buyer's remorse.

 

[Schway]

All the doomerism has recently devolved into this weird form of a reverse cope at this point, and some of it is less true doomerism and more of an excuse so smug midwits can just keep being more smug.

Reverse cope.... so the truth lol.

Alternatively, expecting non-stop status quo after people can't afford gas or groceries is pretty ridiculous imo. Some doomers actually WANT things to get worse. That's part of /pol/'s official ridiculous political narrative now. That the only thing you have to look forward to is collapse and you should want it instead of improvements, which is good proof these people are LARPing losers without loved ones.

The idea history is all in one direction is ridiculous and not expecting changes in course at some point is not justified. The tranny stuff is absolutely a fad that will run out of gas at some point. That's not cope, it's absolutely a new age fashion trend that invovles body modification. Of course it's not going to be en vogue forever esepcially when more people have buyer's remorse.

I'm not saying things will not change, I'm saying they won't go back to normal. If by normal you mean the last 50 or so years. The tranny stuff is a serious problem in society at this point and is and will cause splits in society. People involved in this have committed their careers, morals, money and bodies to promoting this and if you think it'll go away like a fashion trend then you're naïve. And that's just one out of many social problems and questions that have finally come to a head.

 

[Mothra1988]

Reverse cope.... so the truth lol.


I'm not saying things will not change, I'm saying they won't go back to normal. If by normal you mean the last 50 or so years. The tranny stuff is a serious problem in society at this point and is and will cause splits in society. People involved in this have committed their careers, morals, money and bodies to promoting this and if you think it'll go away like a fashion trend then you're naïve. And that's just one out of many social problems and questions that have finally come to a head.

I don't agree. The backlash against troon-ism already went full bore this year. Yeah, it will be an issue in the future, but it will be more like the 1950's-60's was in regards to smokers. After this period, people will be mad they threw their lives away over something that isn't really popular anymore and everyone else who didn't smoke themselves to death will move on.

Someone in another thread mentioned how metrosexuals appeared and disappeared after several years.. While there many still be troons, you know the ones with actual gender dysphoria on a clinical level and cringey crossdressers like there has always been, the transtrending will come to an end. If you want to get a glimpse into the future, read the detrans reddit board. Lots of very angry people there mad they bought into a meme.

 

[whogoesthere]

I honestly have a lot of ideas why things have gone wrong, but I do not have an answer as to why, or how to fix it. I sometimes just see shit online and think "I have no idea what the fuck is happening anymore, this makes no sense to me". So I guess I cannot say if we will get out of it, I think there is many things that can happen, not just the current trend vs reversing it. I suspect there is some unknown horror that we never even considered that is around the corner, and we look back on this time as a sort of golden age in comparison for the fresh hell we will have to witness.

Or it will sort it self out and we will look back and laugh at how silly we were for getting all worked up about it.

Either way, in 60 years time I will very likely be dead, and will not give a remote shit as I will hopefully be in heaven playing football with Jesus.

 

[smeckt]

2022 is woke compared to 2012
2012 was woke compared to 2002
2002 was woke compared to 1992
1992 was woke compared to 1952
1952 was woke compared to 1902

See a pattern? It's not going to stop anytime soon

 

[Mothra1988]

2022 is woke compared to 2012
2012 was woke compared to 2002
2002 was woke compared to 1992
1992 was woke compared to 1952
1952 was woke compared to 1902

See a pattern? It's not going to stop anytime soon

These are really bad comparisons. 2002 was definitely less politically correct than 1992. You also completely skipped over the 1960's because it messes up your entire point. Not to mention the 80's being less woke than the 70's, etc. I don't know how 1952 is more woke than 1902 either. At least specify what you mean there. Are you talking about vaudeville or what? 1952 was a very politically correct time in many aspects.

 

[Demonslayer1776]

Alternatively, expecting non-stop status quo after people can't afford gas or groceries is pretty ridiculous imo. Some doomers actually WANT things to get worse. That's part of /pol/'s official ridiculous political narrative now. That the only thing you have to look forward to is collapse and you should want it instead of improvements, which is good proof these people are LARPing losers without loved ones.

The idea history is all in one direction is ridiculous and not expecting changes in course at some point is not justified. The tranny stuff is absolutely a fad that will run out of gas at some point. That's not cope, it's absolutely a new age fashion trend that invovles body modification. Of course it's not going to be en vogue forever esepcially when more people have buyer's remorse.

I think the reason alot of people are blackpilled is because they once had alot of hope things would get better, only for them to get worse. I look back at around 2015 2016 and I was very optimistic alot of this shit would weaken. Everyone was shutting on the troon shit and how stupid it was,, everyone was shitting on BLM. It seemed like there was strong resistance and it would remain a small fad that was dying out. Then look how things have been over the past few Yeats and it's just gotten insane. Suddenly everyone is following Troon shit not only for adults, but even children. That wasn't even popular with most of the batshit SJWs in 2015, and the resistance seems weaker than back then. BLM went from a joke in 2015 to an uncriticisable idol in 2020. I can still see us getting some whiplash but it feels to me like any progress against the insanity just ends up being 1 step forward because another 2 steps back. Seeing things get worse with less resistance than before just feels very demoralizing to alot for people, feeding the doomer mindset.

 

[Mothra1988]

I think the reason alot of people are blackpilled is because they once had alot of hope things would get better, only for them to get worse. I look back at around 2015 2016 and I was very optimistic alot of this shit would weaken. Everyone was shutting on the troon shit and how stupid it was,, everyone was shitting on BLM. It seemed like there was strong resistance and it would remain a small fad that was dying out. Then look how things have been over the past few Yeats and it's just gotten insane. Suddenly everyone is following Troon shit not only for adults, but even children. That wasn't even popular with most of the batshit SJWs in 2015, and the resistance seems weaker than back then. BLM went from a joke in 2015 to an uncriticisable idol in 2020. I can still see us getting some whiplash but it feels to me like any progress against the insanity just ends up being 1 step forward because another 2 steps back. Seeing things get worse with less resistance than before just feels very demoralizing to alot for people, feeding the doomer mindset.

It's because normalfags are always lagging behind on this stuff. This is why stuff like GamerGate failed, because normals didn't know what SJWs were at all and didn't understand the context of what was happening and just laughed it off as "nerds" whinning at the time. They probably didn't get wise to the idea that troon stuff would be pushed on kids until this year. It just takes a while before everyone realizes "they were right." Same thing with Trump/etc, he was always head of the curve and it takes a while for the general public to catch on about how toxic the left is.

I think it's all out in the open at this point, right now you have fucking people in their 60's repeating what we said on the internet in 2014. So the push back is going to happen. It just had to take a while for this stuff to gain traction because it takes a while to wisen up non-internet addicted people and "lol both sides are bad" people who are barely paying attention to what is happening.

At this point, the left's extreme incompetence is hitting them in the pocket book and people are incredibly pissed. The polling on Biden I think really underestimates how much everyone hates that old bastard right now, and I mean everyone including most of the randos you would see in the grocery store. These were people who probably thought he was "a good guy" due to positioning by the media. And when they reach that level of alienation and betrayal, all this other bullshit that got pushed along with his party is going to be viewed with extra scrutiny.

After the ass-kicking in November, the left could try to re-trench again like they did in 2016, but a lot more people are wise to this bullshit now and they will still get blamed for fucking shit up because they have the presidency.

 

[CumDumpster]

They're coming for your kids, and they're not going to stop.

Replace "for" with "in", and it becomes apparent what the banking cartel wants.

They're coming in your kids, and they're not going to stop.

 

[Magicicada_septendecula]

The US (and presumably other places too) have been losing their sanity going back far longer than 2014, but I do think it will return eventually. It will take something cataclysmic to force people to examine what really matters. 9/11 was supposed to, but the national unity from that lasted a good two months at best. The coof definitely wasn't it. We do have the looming threat of economic depression and can look forward to China and Russia trying to throw their weight around possibly leading to a world war, so there is hope we may see the thing that brings people back to reality. Getting there though will take levels of privation, pain, and death no western person has seen in almost 80 years.

 

[Schway]

I don't agree. The backlash against troon-ism already went full bore this year. Yeah, it will be an issue in the future, but it will be more like the 1950's-60's was in regards to smokers. After this period, people will be mad they threw their lives away over something that isn't really popular anymore and everyone else who didn't smoke themselves to death will move on.

Someone in another thread mentioned how metrosexuals appeared and disappeared after several years.. While there many still be troons, you know the ones with actual gender dysphoria on a clinical level and cringey crossdressers like there has always been, the transtrending will come to an end. If you want to get a glimpse into the future, read the detrans reddit board. Lots of very angry people there mad they bought into a meme.

Metrosexuals are what a guy from 40 years ago would call the modern man lol.

The backlash is for most part effete, conservatives and the rest of the crowd are always just a couple of years behind. Tranny stuff will go the way of the gay, it'll be around but potentially lose the glamour compared to some new hip thing, perhaps there'll be less people drawn in by the popularity of it, but there'll be overall more people engaging in some type of distortion of sexuality and sex. Notable exceptions to this being small pockets of the country forming where this stuff will be unacceptable.

There is simply no real institutional power pushing against this, until that changes things will keep going the way power tells them to. The average persons opinion matters not.

 

[Mothra1988]

Metrosexuals are what a guy from 40 years ago would call the modern man lol.

The backlash is for most part effete, conservatives and the rest of the crowd are always just a couple of years behind. Tranny stuff will go the way of the gay, it'll be around but potentially lose the glamour compared to some new hip thing, perhaps there'll be less people drawn in by the popularity of it, but there'll be overall more people engaging in some type of distortion of sexuality and sex. Notable exceptions to this being small pockets of the country forming where this stuff will be unacceptable.

There is simply no real institutional power pushing against this, until that changes things will keep going the way power tells them to. The average persons opinion matters not.

Reading in between the lines, it seems you at least partly agree with transgender ideology then if you think the amount it has ballooned to is not based on things like trends and fashion that you apparently disagree so hard with. You must believe there is some more substantive core to it all if you think it's that strong. It would be understandable why you think it won't decrease in the future if you bought into their arguments subconsciously even if you claim to not have.

 

[Schway]

Reading in between the lines, it seems you at least partly agree with transgender ideology then if you think the amount it has ballooned to is not based on things like trends and fashion that you apparently disagree so hard with. You must believe there is some more substantive core to it all if you think it's that strong. It would be understandable why you think it won't decrease in the future if you bought into their arguments subconsciously even if you claim to not have.

Thanks for the grade-school deconstruction. I said it might see a decrease in popularity but some new distortion of sexuality will take the spotlight instead. I explained why it won't go away, because power is pushing for it and not against it. Something being untrue doesn't stop it from promulgating through society.
If you want to find a strain of truth in the trans trend it's that we've thrown away gender roles and hence left people to muddle their way through what society established a long time ago.

The difference in our perspective from what I can tell is that you believe that culture and changes to it are bottom up grass-roots concepts, that things like the pendulum swinging back and "normalizing" back to the middle after being extreme are inevitable. I don't so things like normies waking up and seeing how crazy things are don't really make sense to me.

 

[Gig Bucking Fun]

Part of it is just that the Internet makes the crazies who already exist more visible. Insufferable feminists, black nationalists with enormous victim complexes, and America-hating leftists have existed for decades now, the difference is that they were a lot easier to ignore. Can you imagine how fucking obnoxious living in the late 60s would have been if the Internet had been around back then?

I agree, but I also think the internet has facilitated the process of people becoming extremists and has helped spread their influence to others who are likeminded at a much larger scale. Before, you had to go out of your way to interact with the fringes of any political movement: attend a rally, show up for a meeting, respond to a flier, etc. Nowadays, it’s as simple as joining a Facebook group with the click of a button or simply navigating the internet and stumbling upon a rabbit hole. It has expedited the radicalization process and helped it reach people at an unprecedented level.

 

[glib]

For anything to go back to normal, there has to be some kind of OUTSTANDING level of pushback. I really don't think anything will happen until we reach a precipice of destruction that causes normal people to chimp out.

 

[Mothra1988]

Thanks for the grade-school deconstruction. I said it might see a decrease in popularity but some new distortion of sexuality will take the spotlight instead. I explained why it won't go away, because power is pushing for it and not against it. Something being untrue doesn't stop it from promulgating through society.
If you want to find a strain of truth in the trans trend it's that we've thrown away gender roles and hence left people to muddle their way through what society established a long time ago.

That wasn't a deconstruction at all. LOL. This is one of problems with people like you, you think your enemies are so strong you end up worshiping them as your betters who will always win no matter what like you're the coyote to their road runner. It's kind of pathetic, and I think the "modern man" trope applies to yourself as well if that is your true stance since you've accepted the fact you are weak and ineffectual in the face of goofy green haired troons. lol

Whatever you think about transgender stuff, extremely similar concepts literally goes back to the Roman Empire, including with an actual emperor. The idea it's new is false unlike some of dumber Tumblr identities that never really caught on. My opinion generally is the amount of people this stuff applies to is incredibly small. The problem is it has grown into a wider trend due to fashion and current social norms (you only get approval for being a special snowflake in leftwing Twitter, etc.) and ignorant retards are pushing it on kids, taking it well beyond the amount of people it traditionally would apply to like had been the case in past decades. It's why stuff like detrans on Reddit is a thing, and that's where the real problem is.

The difference in our perspective from what I can tell is that you believe that culture and changes to it are bottom up grass-roots concepts, that things like the pendulum swinging back and "normalizing" back to the middle after being extreme are inevitable. I don't so things like normies waking up and seeing how crazy things are don't really make sense to me.

We live in an representative government, so of course that's how it works. Sure it's harder to flip the media and other institutions, but still the main one is in the people's hands to a good degree. Yes, I know the real reason why you're even making this argument. It's obvious with ALL you people sadly. You don't blend in here well with people that didn't come from the school of goofy internet meme ideology. You can prove me wrong though if you want. Maybe I'm being biased and judgmental, but I don't think I'm wrong right now since you are advocating for top-down power. Good luck with ever being the ones in control of such a framework, you won't be.

 

[Kenya Jones]

Metrosexuals are what a guy from 40 years ago would call the modern man lol.

Did you see the fashion of the average person in the 70's? Almost all had long hair, and what Nixon would consider "faggy" clothing.

 

[Mothra1988]

Did you see the fashion of the average person in the 70's? Almost all had long hair, and what Nixon would consider "faggy" clothing.

Or male pop or rock groups form the 1980's that literally wore more makeup than modern troons do. lol