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I don't have anywhere to put these so enjoy these edits from my favorite finishes of last season with some funeral
Formula 1 Discussion - And favourite driver?
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Not good news ferrari fans
The turbo from Spain was also junk so Charles is on his last turbo before the penalties start.
Spain also killed the MGU-H.
The turbo from Spain was also junk so Charles is on his last turbo before the penalties start.
Spain also killed the MGU-H.
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Oh god. This year could turn into another 2020 if Ferrari doesn’t get their shit together for the good of F1.
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The Ferrari engine is truly a glass cannon. It offers insane performance, but the tiniest crack will make it shatter.
Such a shame, Leclerc is clearly more than capable of squeezing insane amounts of performance out of his car, if only it was more reliable, it would be a tough challenge for RB to compete, but this seems like devastating news. Ferrari will have to eat a lot of penalties before this season is over.
This isn't back problems due to porpoising, his ass hurts from the 7th spanking in a row he got from Russel.
Joking aside, if there was an accident that made it necessary to get out of that car quickly, he'd still be able to get out fast enough I assume.
Just watched the highlight reel to jog my memory, now I am pissed. Yeah shit sucks for Hamilton, FIA might have ordered Vettel to give Hamilton that position, but a 5 second penalty for unsafe return to track? That's fucking bollocks. I'd love to hear from FIA how a safe return to track would look like under those circumstances.
It's like when they penalized Vettel in 2021 for not reacting to a yellow flag that FIA themselves admitted wasn't even out yet by the time Vettel had passed it.
Also kinda weird that Lando had to stop the car cause the rear right suspension literally melted from overheating brakes, kinda eerie when you think about this season's start.
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I just had to.
Could they be "red lining" the engine to close the gap with Red Bull, like turning up the settings so aggressively?
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I wouldn't put it past them, but risking the engine is not worth it, so if they did, it was once more a true Italian Master
lan.We're through a third of the season and Ferrari is down to their last engine parts for Leclerc, if they overclocked everything to squeeze more performance out of them to keep up with RB, they are beyond stupid. As if getting a DNF wasn't bad enough, you also make it inevitable to run into penalties later in the season. One decision fucks you over at least twice.
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Bit of a sidenote here, what would you guys say, how are the odds of Hamilton punting Russel off into a wall during the remainder of the season? Dude's literally too fucking retarded to do wheel-to-wheel racing if he's not in a rocketcar that outperforms whoever he overtakes by at least 10kph. I'd say the odds are somewhat 70ish percent Russel get's the Silverstone Love Tap.
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Well, he'd have to be close to Russell to do that, so the opportunity is pretty unlikely. But I'd go with 80%+ odds that he would bin Russell at >180mph if given the chance. Followed by pretending it was really Russell's fault, of course.
Also, re: Hamilton's melodramatic antics over the porpoising at Baku. It would be so very fitting if the FIA's response to Toto and Hamilton's "concerns" was to mandate that ride height gets raised until the G loads from porpoising are below a certain threshold. Merc has clearly been choosing to ride extra low to squeeze performance out of their failed design at the cost of driver discomfort, so it would likely hurt them the most. Having their attempted sabotage blow up in their faces would be tasty.
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If it was just Ferrari cars having issues I would say yes, but they don't have any control over the settings that AR and Haas use. So unless they're all doing something hopelessly irresponsible like buying from Ferrari or running it on max settings every weekend I doubt it.
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We'd undoubtedly be treated to Hamilton's usual mating call: "Man, that's some dangerous driving."
Could happen sooner than we think. All it takes is Russel coming into the pits before Hamilton and then fighting his way back to the front. Though causing a collision under blue flags with a teammate when being lapped. . . now that would be a great way to destroy this nonsense about Lewis' driving prowess once and for all.
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But Lewis is just spending every hour of every day figuring out setups for George! He's just out there grinding for the right ride height!
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Canada is the toughest circuit for brakes. Could see a few teams fucking up the brake cooling and having failure with the new brake tin packaging. We've already seen the Williams exploding rear brakes a couple of times.
The F1 account shared the Button overtake of Vettel at Canada 2011 with the caption of "from the back at lap 1 to the race win". So many of the commentors clearly have no idea what happened because they're all talking up how it shows Hamilton's abilities and how amazing he was back then...
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I am a bit sad that I won't be going to the Montreal race this year. Shit just didn't work out to make it happen. I was at that 2019 race but was already making my way out of the grandstands before they announced Vettel's penalty. However, I am going to Montreal for 2 weeks or so in a couple of weeks so at least I will get to enjoy that fantastic city again for a bit very soon!
Melbourne just signed a new 10 year deal. And F2 and F3 will be racing there too in 2023! More bang for your buck! Be interested to know how much the tickets will be compared to this year.
Also, on the Merc bouncing:
Mercedes’ motorsport strategy director James Vowles says the Formula 1 team put its drivers in “significant discomfort” during the Azerbaijan Grand Prix weekend and must “make sure this doesn’t carry on”.
Seven-time F1 world champion Lewis Hamilton described the Baku race as the “most painful” of his F1 career and said he was concerned either that his back discomfort would prevent him from finishing, or that he would crash due to the car’s instability.
Addressing a question about Hamilton’s condition in Mercedes’ post-race debrief video, Vowles said the bouncing experienced by both Hamilton and team-mate George Russell was in part due to the set-ups run on both Mercedes and that the pain they experienced was not acceptable.
“I am pleased to report that Lewis is here this morning, I spent a few hours with him and he is OK, he will be back in the car in Montreal,” said Vowles.
“He is an elite athlete that will push the bounds of endurance of himself and the car and that’s what Formula 1 drivers do, that’s what makes them exceptional.
“On this occasion, though we pushed the package and our drivers too far, we are putting them into significant discomfort and we simply can’t do that again.
“Our drivers are not the only ones suffering, you will see in the media a number of comments from a number of drivers who are equally in discomfort and pain.
“And we have a responsibility now to make sure that this doesn’t carry on.”
Complaints about bouncing issues, of which variations have been seen in 2022, reached a new peak during the Azerbaijan GP weekend, and Russell claimed it was only a “matter of time” before a major incident as a result of those issues.
Drivers were told the FIA was open to potential simple rule changes that could reduce the poor ride quality of the new generation of cars, but some teams are blocking that.
Vowles explained the differences between the porpoising and bouncing issues it has experienced this season, the second of which it first encountered in Monaco.
“It’s also worth putting a little bit of time into explaining porpoising, bouncing, bottoming – three words possibly being spoken a lot with a little bit of association of being the same thing but they are not quite,” he said.
“We definitely suffered porpoising in the earlier races and in Barcelona we didn’t and we’ve made a tremendous amount of effort on our package to make sure that we tried our best to resolve it and I am confident we’ve made a step.
“In Barcelona, the car was stable, robust and we could lower it and that’s the key, we managed to create a package where aerodynamically we were able to work with it a lot more, we could work with set-up and we could drop the cars in terms of ride height producing performance.
“Come now to Monaco and to Baku, what that unfortunately uncovered is a second issue that was being masked by the first.
“I’m confident we’ve made a step forward in terms of porpoising but we very clearly have bouncing and to the outside [world] it looks almost identical, but there is a subtle difference between the two.
“What is happening now is that the car is lower, as a result of fixing the first issue, but now hitting the deck quite hard and that’s creating the bouncing that you see at the moment.
“Again, you try and extract performance by running the car low but the problem is very different and the bumpier the track the more the input is clearly having an effect which is what we saw in Baku.
“I think what’s clear is that we still have a long journey in front of us to learn everything we need to, to be fighting at the front but perhaps more importantly you will, as suggested by this question, see performance variation track on track as we go forward.
“Canada for sure will be very different to Silverstone in terms of how our car performs.”
Melbourne just signed a new 10 year deal. And F2 and F3 will be racing there too in 2023! More bang for your buck! Be interested to know how much the tickets will be compared to this year.
Also, on the Merc bouncing:
‘CAN’T DO IT AGAIN’ – MERCEDES TOOK DRIVER DISCOMFORT TOO FAR
11 hours ago By Jack CozensMercedes’ motorsport strategy director James Vowles says the Formula 1 team put its drivers in “significant discomfort” during the Azerbaijan Grand Prix weekend and must “make sure this doesn’t carry on”.
Seven-time F1 world champion Lewis Hamilton described the Baku race as the “most painful” of his F1 career and said he was concerned either that his back discomfort would prevent him from finishing, or that he would crash due to the car’s instability.
Addressing a question about Hamilton’s condition in Mercedes’ post-race debrief video, Vowles said the bouncing experienced by both Hamilton and team-mate George Russell was in part due to the set-ups run on both Mercedes and that the pain they experienced was not acceptable.
“I am pleased to report that Lewis is here this morning, I spent a few hours with him and he is OK, he will be back in the car in Montreal,” said Vowles.
“He is an elite athlete that will push the bounds of endurance of himself and the car and that’s what Formula 1 drivers do, that’s what makes them exceptional.
“On this occasion, though we pushed the package and our drivers too far, we are putting them into significant discomfort and we simply can’t do that again.
“Our drivers are not the only ones suffering, you will see in the media a number of comments from a number of drivers who are equally in discomfort and pain.
“And we have a responsibility now to make sure that this doesn’t carry on.”
Complaints about bouncing issues, of which variations have been seen in 2022, reached a new peak during the Azerbaijan GP weekend, and Russell claimed it was only a “matter of time” before a major incident as a result of those issues.
Drivers were told the FIA was open to potential simple rule changes that could reduce the poor ride quality of the new generation of cars, but some teams are blocking that.
Vowles explained the differences between the porpoising and bouncing issues it has experienced this season, the second of which it first encountered in Monaco.
“It’s also worth putting a little bit of time into explaining porpoising, bouncing, bottoming – three words possibly being spoken a lot with a little bit of association of being the same thing but they are not quite,” he said.
“We definitely suffered porpoising in the earlier races and in Barcelona we didn’t and we’ve made a tremendous amount of effort on our package to make sure that we tried our best to resolve it and I am confident we’ve made a step.
“In Barcelona, the car was stable, robust and we could lower it and that’s the key, we managed to create a package where aerodynamically we were able to work with it a lot more, we could work with set-up and we could drop the cars in terms of ride height producing performance.
“Come now to Monaco and to Baku, what that unfortunately uncovered is a second issue that was being masked by the first.
“I’m confident we’ve made a step forward in terms of porpoising but we very clearly have bouncing and to the outside [world] it looks almost identical, but there is a subtle difference between the two.
“What is happening now is that the car is lower, as a result of fixing the first issue, but now hitting the deck quite hard and that’s creating the bouncing that you see at the moment.
“Again, you try and extract performance by running the car low but the problem is very different and the bumpier the track the more the input is clearly having an effect which is what we saw in Baku.
“I think what’s clear is that we still have a long journey in front of us to learn everything we need to, to be fighting at the front but perhaps more importantly you will, as suggested by this question, see performance variation track on track as we go forward.
“Canada for sure will be very different to Silverstone in terms of how our car performs.”
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JFC, dude makes it sound like Hamilton struck a concrete wall at top speed and is now valiantly making his big comeback. Hamilton got his ass whooped by a terrible car, he didn't do a Grosjean.
And god bless these teams. If their drivers do not experience these issues, then FIA simply has to tell those that do to get their car working.
As long as these "discomfort" issues are caused by teams running too low in order to gain performance, and running higher is the solution to the discomfort but makes the teams less competetive, it is a case of "tough luck, buttercup". The teams could always solve this issue by giving up on performance. If some teams do not experience this problem, simply cause their design already gave up on performance (or simply works better with higher ride height), I see no reason for FIA to step in. Teams decided to go for performance by making their own drivers suffer, it's not something FIA should address via rule changes, if at all, FIA should step in and tell these monkeys to make their cars less of a torture device, but they should not punish those that actually made a sensible car.
It's like with the cost-cap. Yeah, some teams might run into issues with the cost-cap due to inflation. But some don't. And it would be unfair towards those teams that left enough room in their budget to tank the inflation, to change anything.
It's a pro sport. You make a decision, you live with that decision. If that decision was to make a shitbox that slams into the ground violently and causes your driver to contemplate stopping the car, that's on you, not the other teams.
Sounds like a "Merc problem", not like a "rule 2022 problem".
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Why should teams that got it right be fucked over for those that didn't? Every team has some bouncing but only Mercedes seem to be wrecking their drivers with it. I'm sure the likes of AT, AM, McLaren could drop the car a bit and get on par with merc at the expense of their drivers but they are balancing between the two. Why should Mercedes be special?
The FIA should put in a rule change but it should be maximum amplitudes and frequencies of the bouncing. If its about driver safety then that would solve that concern. If its about trying to litigate your shitbox car further up the order however...
In other news Ferrari have broken out the duck tape
Sky got the exact story they wanted by employing the black woman diversity hire. Someone criticised her on social media so they and Hambone could jump into full scale "muh bigots".
The FIA should put in a rule change but it should be maximum amplitudes and frequencies of the bouncing. If its about driver safety then that would solve that concern. If its about trying to litigate your shitbox car further up the order however...
In other news Ferrari have broken out the duck tape
Sky got the exact story they wanted by employing the black woman diversity hire. Someone criticised her on social media so they and Hambone could jump into full scale "muh bigots".
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FIA issues new technical directive to reduce ‘porpoising’ on safety grounds
Posted on 16th June 2022, 17:30 | Written by Keith CollantineThe FIA has taken the first steps towards reducing Formula 1 cars’ ‘porpoising’, which has provoked complaints from many drivers in recent races.
The governing body of motorsport said on Thursday it has taken the steps in response to the degree of porpoising seen at races up to and including last weekend’s Azerbaijan Grand Prix.
Since the season began drivers from several teams have complained they have suffered painful rides in their cars.
This is partly due to porpoising, where cars rise and fall at high speed due to the designs of their floors, which have changed drastically this year in response to new regulations.
Some teams have suffered this problem to a greater extent than others.
The teams as a whole are also running their cars much more stiffly than before in order to improve their performance. This change has made their cars less compliant over bumps.
The FIA has today issued a technical directive to teams advising them it will conduct more detailed inspections of the designs of their cars’ floors and how they wear during sessions.
It also promised to set a limit on the vertical movement of cars, to prevent drivers experiencing an unacceptably painful ride and risking injury. This limit will be set in consultation with F1’s teams.
The sport’s governing body also intends to discuss with teams how the cars could be changed to make them less susceptible to porpoising in the first place.
FIA statement: FIA takes steps to reduce porpoising in the interests of safety
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Nice so they are going "fuck you merc, stop injuring your drivers for performance then claiming there needs to be a rule change".
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I am just waiting for Merc to totally flaunt the regulations the FIA puts out and then cry "but we loose performance and our floor isn't as wasted as the ones from Red Bull!"
If I understand it correctly they will check the floors of the cars to see if the wear reaches a certain point. If it goes right Mercedes will suffer more then others because they HAVE to use a very low ride height to get anyxwhere. Also, after Canada we will have Silverstone and Paul Ricard, tracks with very smooth track surfaces. I expect that each track gets it's own set up provision
If I understand it correctly they will check the floors of the cars to see if the wear reaches a certain point. If it goes right Mercedes will suffer more then others because they HAVE to use a very low ride height to get anyxwhere. Also, after Canada we will have Silverstone and Paul Ricard, tracks with very smooth track surfaces. I expect that each track gets it's own set up provision
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I'll laugh my ugly ass off if Merc now drop behind in the field, cause FIA listened to their whining and went "no... how about you do something."
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I'm now on full alert for wonderful, wonderful Wolff RAGE.
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Honestly, this is the best possible result for everyone. Limits on the actual porpoising itself and thorough inspections (Possibly with a view on changing the directive later, by the sounds on it.) means the teams that actually sorted their problems (Whether at the expense of pace, like McLaren) or mostly avoided it aren't going to get screwed over.
Of course, this also means that the poor, tortured world champion's back will be well-taken care of. Naturally, since both him and Toto complained about this so much, they'll be very happy to see something being done abou-
Oh, sorry. They're just going to complain about 'it not going far enough' because they've spunked a good deal of their budget up the wall for something that'll now tell them to deal with it.
Eagerly awaiting the next background shot of Wolff's soul dying come the end of the week. You've got to love it.