May 3, 2022 - Chris returned to CVRJ

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If Chris refuses to take a deal,
You know damn well he'll refuse a deal. Not just out of stubborn pride and the delusional belief that he's guiltless, but also because any deal will most likely include an epo barring him from going anywhere near barb and or branchland crt.

Chris could probably accept not being allowed near his rape victim again but not going back to the "temple?" Forget it, it goes against everything Chris said would happen in his letters, and if there's one thing Chris hates it's not having things go his way the way he specifically planned them to.


Then of course there's the possibility said deal will also most likely include an agreement to stay at a halfway or tard home. Despite being the poster child for why we should go back to sterilizing the mentally ill, Chris believes he's above staying with other "slow in the minds." despite being the slowest of slow in the minds he legit beloved himself to be better than them and deserving better than them.
 
The only thing I can think of is that Chris thinks that he's going "home" after this next hearing, assuming that it's a competency hearing. However, "home" is going to be some sort of inpatient facility or group home, and Heilberg hasn't made that clear to Chris or (more likely) hasn't been able to due to him genuinely being incompetent.

I can not imagine Virginia just turning him loose on the streets. I just can't. It's abundantly clear that doing so will embolden him to do far worse shit. If he thinks he can use the dumbass defense for this, he will end up using it for more heinous shit, and sympathetic weens will definitely pave the way for that happening. But by that time, who knows what he'll have done.
 
You know damn well he'll refuse a deal. Not just out of stubborn pride and the delusional belief that he's guiltless, but also because any deal will most likely include an epo barring him from going anywhere near barb and or branchland crt.

Chris could probably accept not being allowed near his rape victim again but not going back to the "temple?" Forget it, it goes against everything Chris said would happen in his letters, and if there's one thing Chris hates it's not having things go his way the way he specifically planned them to.


Then of course there's the possibility said deal will also most likely include an agreement to stay at a halfway or tard home. Despite being the poster child for why we should go back to sterilizing the mentally ill, Chris believes he's above staying with other "slow in the minds." despite being the slowest of slow in the minds he legit beloved himself to be better than them and deserving better than them.
If Barb no longer resides at 14BC because she is being taken care of by relatives, could Chris be allowed to return there?
 
He doesn't just have to sign the paper, because even a tard like him could do that and pretend he had his fingers behind his back. He also has to admit in front of the judge that he did it and is guilty unless he gets some kind of Alford bullshit, which would still leave him convicted.

The court needs to carefully check to make sure he's not holding Optimus Prime when he makes his guilty plea.

You know damn well he'll refuse a deal. Not just out of stubborn pride and the delusional belief that he's guiltless, but also because any deal will most likely include an epo barring him from going anywhere near barb and or branchland crt.

EPO == Emergency Protective Order. It's just that, for emergencies. It can only be issued in 3 day increments (with automatic extensions for specific reasons, which is how Chris' first EPO lasted for 6 days)

An EPO is the only kind of order they can issue unilaterally. A Preliminary Protective Order lasts for 2 weeks, but that must be requested by a petitioner (i.e. Barb), and then the petitioner proceeds with requesting a permanent protective order.

It can't happen without Barb's consent.

Then of course there's the possibility said deal will also most likely include an agreement to stay at a halfway or tard home. Despite being the poster child for why we should go back to sterilizing the mentally ill, Chris believes he's above staying with other "slow in the minds." despite being the slowest of slow in the minds he legit beloved himself to be better than them and deserving better than them.

OK I need to explain this again. That kind of deal can't happen without a felony conviction. When you accept restrictions as part of a plea deal, it's in lieu of the full sentence you would have received. Chris will have already served the maximum jail time for a misdemeanor, leaving only the fine aspect (up to $2,500) as an outstanding penalty that could be applied.

Any other restrictions he could have would only come from statute, rather than a plea deal. For instance if Barb requested a protective order, or if Chris became a registered sex offender.

Realistically, the ONLY reason for Chris to cut a plea deal at this point is to prevent new charges, either felony charges, or enhancements to the existing charge that would put him on the SOR. In J&DR, Chris cannot plead guilty in a deal with any such enhancement because its application would be automatic, regardless of any plea deal.

The only way, within the confines of J&DR, that they could truly pressure Chris would be to grant him deferred disposition on a charge that put him on the SOR. Then, upon the completion of the probation period, he would have the charges dropped and essentially be guilty of nothing. The SOR is the only threat they can wield.

That's why I think they must still be keeping the threat of a felony in play, and they just want the case to end. Chris won't get any restrictions, but they won't have to take him to trial.

If Chris doesn't play ball, they can take him to Circuit Court, hit him with a felony, and then they can cut him a deal with all sorts of restrictions to keep him from going to prison for years.

EDIT: Which is why I think Chris fucked up some plea deal at the 6 month mark. He seemed pretty certain he was going to get one. I don't think he would be quite that confident without Heilberg telling him a deal was incoming. My best guess on what happened is that he was given conditions to follow in exchange for having his sentence being 1 year, with 6 months time served plus 6 months suspended. He probably didn't like one of the conditions and chimped out instead of pleading guilty. Instead they accepted the incompetence evaluation and sent him to the hospital.
 
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The court needs to carefully check to make sure he's not holding Optimus Prime when he makes his guilty plea.



EPO == Emergency Protective Order. It's just that, for emergencies. It can only be issued in 3 day increments (with automatic extensions for specific reasons, which is how Chris' first EPO lasted for 6 days)

An EPO is the only kind of order they can issue unilaterally. A Preliminary Protective Order lasts for 2 weeks, but that must be requested by a petitioner (i.e. Barb), and then the petitioner proceeds with requesting a permanent protective order.

It can't happen without Barb's consent.



OK I need to explain this again. That kind of deal can't happen without a felony conviction. When you accept restrictions as part of a plea deal, it's in lieu of the full sentence you would have received. Chris will have already served the maximum jail time for a misdemeanor, leaving only the fine aspect (up to $2,500) as an outstanding penalty that could be applied.

Any other restrictions he could have would only come from statute, rather than a plea deal. For instance if Barb requested a protective order, or if Chris became a registered sex offender.

Realistically, the ONLY reason for Chris to cut a plea deal at this point is to prevent new charges, either felony charges, or enhancements to the existing charge that would put him on the SOR. In J&DR, Chris cannot plead guilty to such an enhancement because its application would be automatic, regardless of any plea deal.

The only way, within the confines of J&DR, that they could truly pressure Chris would be to grant him deferred disposition on a charge that put him on the SOR. Then, upon the completion of the probation period, he would have the charges dropped and essentially be guilty of nothing. The SOR is the only threat they can wield.

That's why I think they must still be keeping the threat of a felony in play, and they just want the case to end. Chris won't get any restrictions, but they won't have to take him to trial.

If Chris doesn't play ball, they can take him to Circuit Court, hit him with a felony, and then they can cut him a deal with all sorts of restrictions to keep him from going to prison for years.
OK fine and fair points but mine still stands.

Chris doesn't wanna play ball with the court cause he's a massive egotist, self centered and monstrously uncaring about anyone but himself.

The court isn't gonna kiss his fat ass and say "we're so sorry your royal highness CPU goddess Jesus Chandler sonichu. Please accept this full pardon from president Biden himself and have some money as our way of saying we're so sorry. "

And it's because they're not gonna do that Chris is gonna act like a fussy toddler and kick and scream and cry until they do at least give him what he wants. Which in turn will never happen no matter how much he does all the aforementioned tard chimping.

Wether it's a deal or a plea bargain or whatever the terms of his release turn out to be because they don't involve a full pardon, compensation, a written apology and various other ludicrous demands Chris is no place to make he'll just raise a stink over the the whole thing.

If Barb no longer resides at 14BC because she is being taken care of by relatives, could Chris be allowed to return there?
Maybe but they'd still want Chris in a tard home to hopefully keep him from being a nuisance for once in his life. But then again....
can not imagine Virginia just turning him loose on the streets. I just can't. It's abundantly clear that doing so will embolden him to do far worse shit
As @AnOminous said if the court decides to just say fuck it, and send Chris off on his merry way with only a wag of their fingers and a stern talking to that amounts to "bad retard! Bad bad very bad retard! " like he's a fucking dog. Not only we reach peak clown world and render the country totally irredeemable. We'll also have a Chris with an ego so massive he may as well think he's an untouchable.
 
OK fine and fair points but mine still stands.

Chris doesn't wanna play ball with the court cause he's a massive egotist, self centered and monstrously uncaring about anyone but himself.

The court isn't gonna kiss his fat ass and say "we're so sorry your royal highness CPU goddess Jesus Chandler sonichu. Please accept this full pardon from president Biden himself and have some money as our way of saying we're so sorry. "

And it's because they're not gonna do that Chris is gonna act like a fussy toddler and kick and scream and cry until they do at least give him what he wants. Which in turn will never happen no matter how much he does all the aforementioned tard chimping.

Wether it's a deal or a plea bargain or whatever the terms of his release turn out to be because they don't involve a full pardon, compensation, a written apology and various other ludicrous demands Chris is no place to make he'll just raise a stink over the the whole thing.

Basically, if Chris doesn't want to play ball with a simple confession to basic incest, the court has these options.

1. Just take him to trial for the existing charge in J&DR. Waste time doing it. Find him guilty and then send him on his way with whatever plan the jail comes up with, which Chris has no obligation to follow.

2. If they are able to adjudicate Barb as incapacitated, convict him *AND* put him on the SOR. With Barb ruled so, this would also let them issue a protective order without Barb's consent. This wastes even more time.

3. THREATEN to do that, and then have Chris play ball and plead guilty to the non-enhanced charge, and then send him on his way. This avoids a trial.

4. Do all of the above and be merciful and grant him deferred disposition. This fucks over Chris less, but gives them way more options because it means they can set a probation period with whatever restrictions they want. It gives them more control over Chris, and if Chris fucks it up, he goes on the SOR. The downside is that Chris is never convicted of anything if he succeeds.

5. Say fuck it and hit him with a felony, then threaten Chris with 5-10 years in prison if he doesn't play ball and accept a ton of restrictions. Chris pleads guilty to a felony with 1 year time served, plus 1 to 9 years suspended sentence. If Chris fucks it up he goes to prison.

6. If Chris STILL doesn't play ball after all that, take him to the super wasteful and super embarrassing (for Greene County) PUBLIC tard trial of the century, and send him to prison for years so he can be zapped to the extreme.
 
I hope they find him SUPER GUILTY of MEGA RAPE.

A megarape would be one million rapes. At a rate of once every 3 days, it's not realistic that Chris could have committed so many. At most he's guilty of a decarape, or a hectorape if he managed to hide it for a year. A kilorape would take the better part of a decade.
 
A megarape would be one million rapes. At a rate of once every 3 days, it's not realistic that Chris could have committed so many. At most he's guilty of a decarape, or a hectorape if he managed to hide it for a year. A kilorape would take the better part of a decade.
You forgot all the rapes in alternate universes. Chris has Thanos raped Barb in every world where it was possible.
 
The prosecution is still free to declare it to be a felony unless the judge disagrees. Then it goes to the probable cause hearing where the matter is settled.

J&DR courts in Virginia are capable of prosecuting felonies? I thought they had to kick it back up to Big Boy Court Circuit Court if they want to pursue the felony option. I'm not sure Chris can even plea guilty to a felony as part of a plea deal in J&DR.


If Chris tards out and adamantly refuses a deal, I think they go for blood.

What other option would they have at that point? Chris has been painting the court into a corner.


Chris is so far deluiosnal at this point that I'm amazed we haven't heard of him demanding to be released sole by virtue of being Jesus Christ and above the law.

He may well have. That could be one of the reasons he was tossed off to Western State.


He also has to admit in front of the judge that he did it and is guilty

And then, once he admits guilt, the court will pray he shuts the fuck up for the remainder of proceedings.

unless he gets some kind of Alford bullshit,

Would they even mention alford or nolo pleas in the Courtrooms for Dummies classes at Western State? Somehow I think not.

Which is why I think Chris fucked up some plea deal at the 6 month mark.

I think a plea deal has been in the works from the start, and Chris has been repeatedly fucking them up.
 
J&DR courts in Virginia are capable of prosecuting felonies? I thought they had to kick it back up to Big Boy Court Circuit Court if they want to pursue the felony option. I'm not sure Chris can even plea guilty to a felony as part of a plea deal in J&DR.

They can't convict on a felony in J&DR.

What I mean is that they can pressure Chris to plead guilty to a misdemeanor in J&DR with the threat being that they bump it up to Circuit Court if he doesn't.

Since he's already spent a year in jail, if they keep it in J&DR court, they can't give him any more jail time, so the outcome for Chris is the same if he wants to go Phoenix Wright in a trial.

Keeping the threat of a felony is one of the few things they can do to force Chris not to waste their time. Without that threat, Chris loses nothing if he wants to proclaim his innocence at a trial. He spends the same amount of time in jail either way.

The only other threat they can make is to try to go for the enhancement with Barb's incapacitation, which would put Chris on the SOR, even for just a misdemeanor. This has higher evidentiary requirements though so it would actually be more difficult than just charging him with simple incest as a felony, which has the same requirements as the current charge, just in big boy court instead of in J&DR.

Would they even mention alford or nolo pleas in the Courtrooms for Dummies classes at Western State? Somehow I think not.

Chris already has at least a vague idea of what an Alford plea is since he was allowed one as part of the Snyder deal. I'm sure he'd love to have that again.
 
The only thing I can think of is that Chris thinks that he's going "home" after this next hearing, assuming that it's a competency hearing. However, "home" is going to be some sort of inpatient facility or group home, and Heilberg hasn't made that clear to Chris or (more likely) hasn't been able to due to him genuinely being incompetent.

I can not imagine Virginia just turning him loose on the streets. I just can't. It's abundantly clear that doing so will embolden him to do far worse shit. If he thinks he can use the dumbass defense for this, he will end up using it for more heinous shit, and sympathetic weens will definitely pave the way for that happening. But by that time, who knows what he'll have done.

It’s hard to say about the home thing. I would hope you are right about the group home or facility. Chris is also delusional and full of shit so it is a vast Gordian Knot to untangle up to when something finally happens.
 
Would they even mention alford or nolo pleas in the Courtrooms for Dummies classes at Western State? Somehow I think not.
No but Heilberg would if they needed some kind of carrot/stick to get this sped to just let this case move on.
 
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Here's something I thought of if Chris was shipped out to Western to see if he's competent to stand trial: Would the courts hold off on additional charges, or wobbling the charge to a felony, until there was concrete proof Chris was sane and able to assist in his own defense?

Heilberg was looking at competency issues from the start and now they have it, nearly a full year in.
 
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Here's something I thought of if Chris was shipped out to Western to see if he's competent to stand trial: Would the courts hold off on additional charges, or wobbling the charge to a felony, until there was concrete proof Chris was sane and able to assist in his own defense?

Heilberg was looking at competency issues from the start and now they have it, nearly a full year in.

Yes, it's possible, but unusual. If they don't do it by the one year mark they will very likely not do it at all. Unfortunately we don't know if they scheduled a prelim and canceled it, or never scheduled it at all.
 
He spends the same amount of time in jail either way.

But this trial has never been about making Chris spend time in jail. It's always been about finding a permanent solution to Chris such that the courts don't have to deal with him again. While Chris still had jail time left, they could have parleyed that into probation at a managed care facility (tard home). With Chris having spent all his jail days, they don't really have that option any more.

This is why I suspect more and more they're going to kick him back up to circuit court and go the felony route: it's the easiest way they have at this point to compel him into a tard home. They could keep tossing him back to Western State for incompetence, but that's only a stop gap solution at best.

One thing I do wonder is if Heilberg will stay on if they kick Chris back up to circuit court, since that will be essentially a soft reboot of the case? Or will Heilberg be able to take his check and skedaddle? "Best of luck to ya, Chris!"

Chris already has at least a vague idea of what an Alford plea is since he was allowed one as part of the Snyder deal. I'm sure he'd love to have that again.

I think Chris has always had a vague idea of the "Chris is actually always innocent and the court are just meanies" plea. That resembles an alford plea in many respects.


No but Heilberg would if they needed some kind of carrot/stick to get this sped to just let this case move on.

I could see Heilberg saying just about anything at this point to get this over with.

Me, I'd be using an actual stick.
 
I still can't believe we're coming up on a year of this. It must be killing Chris that he hasn't been able to whine his way out of jail.
He may as well have whined and merged and Jesus christ sonichu'd his way into involuntary inpatient care outside the realm of a criminal case. Because I refuse to believe he's walking free anytime soon in any scenario. There's no way in hell the Commonwealth of Virginia hasn't found about Chris' entire life at this point.
 
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