May 3, 2022 - Chris returned to CVRJ

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

It's more that the court is being unbelievably kind to Chris, bending over backwards for him at every turn. That doesn't make it the trial of the century. It just makes it baffling.

I really don't think they've bent over backwards for him. Multiple continuances are commonplace, especially when there are mental health issues that require evaluation. A court-appointed attorney is common practice (the default, actually - it's his constitutional right) if the defendant can't afford one. And competency exams are nothing too special either.

 

[Pickle Inspector]

It's more that the court is being unbelievably kind to Chris, bending over backwards for him at every turn. That doesn't make it the trial of the century. It just makes it baffling.

I think a lot of this case is just covid causing backlog in the legal system and social services so aside from the mental health hospital stint it’s just been Chris getting to sit in his cell while he waits out his minimum sentence and they try and work out a plan for his release hoping Chris just goes along with it (Assuming there’s not more charges) and doesn’t instead act like a retard and demand a jury and then pretend he’s Phoenix Wright or that if he gets a restraining order he doesn’t stubbornly ignore it and end back up in court or whatever.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

A court-appointed attorney is common practice (the default, actually - it's his constitutional right) if the defendant can't afford one.

No, the normal default is an overworked public defender. Chris is lucky that Greene County is too tiny to have a public defenders office and instead uses court-appointed private attorneys.

(I mean a PD is still court-appointed, but it's a huge difference in terms of workload on the attorney)

 

[A-№1]

I really don't think they've bent over backwards for him. Multiple continuances are commonplace, especially when there are mental health issues that require evaluation. A court-appointed attorney is common practice (the default, actually - it's his constitutional right) if the defendant can't afford one. And competency exams are nothing too special either.

I'm not talking about that. That's all just common court procedure.

I'm talking about wobbling his charges down to a single misdemeanor. Moving his case into J&DR, and then closing the courtroom. Keeping him comfortably in jail instead of setting bail and tossing him out onto the streets. Appointing him the best defense attorney in Greene County instead of just assigning him whoever was next in the queue. And on and on.

The court has been ridiculously kind to Chris. And Chris keeps fucking it up.

I think a lot of this case is just covid causing backlog

If there was a covid backlog, they wouldn't be wasting one of their very limited medical observation cells on the likes of Chris for all these months..

hoping Chris just goes along with it

Evidence indicates Chris has not been going along with it.

 

[AnOminous]

I really don't think they've bent over backwards for him. Multiple continuances are commonplace, especially when there are mental health issues that require evaluation. A court-appointed attorney is common practice (the default, actually - it's his constitutional right) if the defendant can't afford one. And competency exams are nothing too special either.

There haven't been that many continuances, and the most notable is the one simply pushing off the entire case until just before the eve of when they have to shit or get off the pot.

 

[Shovel Mech Pilot]

I'm talking about wobbling his charges down to a single misdemeanor. Moving his case into J&DR, and then closing the courtroom. Keeping him comfortably in jail instead of setting bail and tossing him out onto the streets. Appointing him the best defense attorney in Greene County instead of just assigning him whoever was next in the queue. And on and on.

He seems to be charged appropriately for the offense he committed. I assume that it's a misdemeanor because Barb probably did not cooperate with the investigation, which seems likely.

JD&R is an appropriate place for this type of situation and I understand that they regularly do close the courtroom due to the nature of the events.

Traditionally, bail is considered the good outcome and jail is the bad outcome. The entire system is based around that assumption.

There's nothing suggesting that Heilberg is the "best defense attorney in Greene County." He's just an old guy who has obviously seen a lot of cases but mostly does DUIs and drug possession cases - these are not considered the "cream of the crop" in the legal world. DUI attorneys are basically a cut below ambulance chasers, which is really saying something. He worked as part of the team on one notable case but he wasn't the lead attorney and his name never made it into the decision. I don't know what other attorneys in Greene County are like but I doubt he is the "best" unless the rest really suck. And how do you know Heilberg wasn't the next on the list?

 

[AnOminous]

There's nothing suggesting that Heilberg is the "best defense attorney in Greene County." He's just an old guy who has obviously seen a lot of cases but mostly does DUIs and drug possession cases - these are not considered the "cream of the crop" in the legal world.

And is one of three co-authors of a widely used practice manual for criminal defense lawyers, so it's likely anyone encountering him who works primarily in that field would be at least somewhat familiar with his name. He was also President of the Virginia Association of Criminal Defense Lawyers. He's not some strip mall clown and I'm not sure why people are so attached to this idea.

Also a) Greene County is so rural being the best criminal defense lawyer in it would hardly be impressive anyway; and b) he isn't even IN Greene County, he was imported from neighboring Albemarle County.

 

[A-№1]

He seems to be charged appropriately for the offense he committed.

No, incest is normally a felony. It's generally only wobbled down as part of a plea deal. It was wobbled down for Chris before any plea deal was even offered.

Traditionally, bail is considered the good outcome and jail is the bad outcome.

Not where Chris is concerned. They're keeping him fed and comfy in jail because Chris has nowhere else to go. This is not normal procedure.

There's nothing suggesting that Heilberg is the "best defense attorney in Greene County."

The hell there isn't.

You need to do your homework.

 

[Smleman303]

No, incest is normally a felony. It's generally only wobbled down as part of a plea deal. It was wobbled down for Chris before any plea deal was even offered.



Not where Chris is concerned. They're keeping him fed and comfy in jail because Chris has nowhere else to go. This is not normal procedure.



The hell there isn't.

You need to do your homework.

By nowhere else that includes 14bc? Then Thar means he's in for a rude awakening if he still thinks he's going back.

 

[Male Idiot]

No, incest is normally a felony. It's generally only wobbled down as part of a plea deal. It was wobbled down for Chris before any plea deal was even offered.

I don't disagree that Heilberg can be very good, I can't judge lawyers, I'll take the local experts' words for it, but Chris is propably not getting the hammer because he is a retard.

The legal system isn't Kiwifarms, they just propably see another retard faggot, which aren't as uncommon as they used to nowdays. I'm sure that they had to deal with worse, like the usual Drag Queen story hour people, more brave furries, etc, etc.

They just propably went with standard procedure and expected Chris to act like a usual tard, but he is a Tard with a Massive True and Honest Ego.

 

[A-№1]

Chris is propably not getting the hammer because he is a retard.

Chris is being treated with kid gloves because he's more trouble than he's worth. It's his one super power.

The court wanted to get this whole sordid business finished as quickly and easily as possible, but then Chris have to be Chris and fuck that all up.

they just propably see another retard faggot,

Run of the mill retards don't get coverage on national network news or become the top trending topic in the internet.

The court was well aware of Chris' e-infamy even if they didn't understand it. Hell, I don't understand it either.

I'm sure that they had to deal with worse, like the usual Drag Queen story hour people, more brave furries, etc, etc.

This is rural Virginia, so probably not so much, actually. That said, this being rural Virginia, they probably have plenty of experience with incest.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

He's just an old guy who has obviously seen a lot of cases but mostly does DUIs and drug possession cases - these are not considered the "cream of the crop" in the legal world. DUI attorneys are basically a cut below ambulance chasers, which is really saying something.

Most criminal defense attorneys do DUI cases because those cases are super common. The better ones just tend to cost more. Attorneys that *only* do DUI do tend to be junior or not well-regarded, but almost everyone does DUI cases for the same reason that most plumbers do clogged toilets sometimes.

No, incest is normally a felony. It's generally only wobbled down as part of a plea deal. It was wobbled down for Chris before any plea deal was even offered.

We don't know when exactly they wobbled it down (or, though unlikely, if they did at all) since we can't see even the purpose of the hearings. That they're not pursuing indictment is a fairly safe assumption at this point, but we have no way of knowing when exactly that decision was made.

My guess is that there was a plea deal offered fairly early on, but it required Chris to do something that he did not want to do.

Regardless, the tard card probably has a lot to do with it.

This is rural Virginia, so probably not so much, actually. That said, this being rural Virginia, they probably have plenty of experience with incest.

Not adult incest. Not that it doesn't happen, but because most people don't talk, let alone brag about it to people on the internet.

I disagree that it's primarily meant to be a felony. Wobblers are wobblers for a reason. First time offenses tend to get wobbled down in plea deals since it makes it a really easy sell for the prosecutor to make, and Chris has no (legal) history of sex crimes. I can't speak to incest cases, but this holds true for other crimes in most places.

Considering Barb's age, they're probably going easier on Chris than they would with a non-tard, but if Barb had been under 70, it would almost certainly have been handled as a misdemeanor if Chris were just a pervert rather than a retarded pervert. (But then if Chris weren't retarded, they probably would've never found out about it.)

 

[A Grey Cat]

I assume that it's a misdemeanor because Barb probably did not cooperate with the investigation, which seems likely.

Only because at the time she still NEEDED Chris to be her helper monkey (as bad as he was at it even before raping her) and thus refused to budge hoping they'd be both be over and done with this shit show as they had done so many times before.

Now though? I'm betting dollars to doughnuts barb wishes she could tell them he drugged her, threw a mesh nightee on her and fucked her five ways to Sunday with interracial gangbang porn playing on the TV.

 

[A-№1]

We don't know when exactly they wobbled it down (or, though unlikely, if they did at all) since we can't see even the purpose of the hearings.

They wobbled it down before the first hearing, where they moved the case to J&DR. Since he's still in J&DR (so far as I'm aware), they can't have wobbled it back up.

we have no way of knowing when exactly that decision was made.

I believe it was misdemeanor incest on the original charge sheet, which means it had already been reduced to a misdemeanor before the first hearing.

Why they chose to do this is a bit of a mystery, but we can assume it wasn't to punish Chris.

Not adult incest.

I was making a joke about Virginia hill people having family stumps, not trees.

That said, most incest cases involve creepy uncles, overly hormonal cousins, that sort of thing. It's entirely possible Chris is the first case involving a 40 year old son and his octogenarian mother that Greene County has ever seen. Because who the fuck even does that?

I disagree that it's primarily meant to be a felony.

It is when most incest cases tend to be the creepy uncle, underage nephew / niece trope. It's usually just one more felony among a whole slew of other charges, and it gets wobbled down as plea bargain bait.

Chris is the only case I have ever heard of where incest is the only charge. But then a lot about his case is odd.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

They wobbled it down before the first hearing, where they moved the case to J&DR. Since he's still in J&DR (so far as I'm aware), they can't have wobbled it back up.

It doesn't work that way. They sent it to J&DR but it's not a misdemeanor until the prosecutor or judge declares it to be a misdemeanor. It can't be PROSECUTED as a felony until indictment, but it's still a felony until the prosecutor or judge says it's not.

There's a period between being arrested and the probable cause hearing where it's both a misdemeanor and a felony at the same time. If the prosecutor declares it to be a misdemeanor, then it is one until decided otherwise. It's still in sort of an indeterminate state until either a probable cause hearing or a conviction or acquittal. If the judge declares it to be a misdemeanor, then it stays that way. The judge will almost always go with the prosecutor's recommendation though.

The prosecution is still free to declare it to be a felony unless the judge disagrees. Then it goes to the probable cause hearing where the matter is settled.

What I'm saying is that unless the judge is firmly on the side of it being a misdemeanor, it's still a Schroedinger's Felony. The next hearing will be a review of Chris' competence (I'm 100% certain of this based on Chris' statements and the way the procedure seems to be going). If he's still incompetent, and Consolvo just wants to get it over with, they will drop the charges and decide if Chris is incapacitated or not and needs to be hospitalized permanently. If he's competent, he has to either take a plea deal or go to trial.

Alternatively, Consolvo can declare that he's pursuing a preliminary hearing, and throw Chris back in the funny farm if he's still incompetent, or just keep Chris in jail if he isn't. If Chris is incompetent, he'll stay in medical another six months. If he is competent, things will move pretty fast at that point and we'll see an indictment within a few weeks.

My best guess is still that they're going to let Chris go on time served, but other possibilities are still very much open.

If Chris refuses to take a deal, and they can't get Chris institutionalized permanently, I imagine that Consolvo will decide that a felony is in the cards, and Chris either stays in jail or goes back to Western State Hospital.

I believe it was misdemeanor incest on the original charge sheet, which means it had already been reduced to a misdemeanor before the first hearing.

His booking info was very much a felony. Its status of a misdemeanor or felony is a feature of how it's prosecuted. Since we can't see the docket, we don't know what its current status is, we can only guess. It's probably a misdemeanor but we won't know for sure until August.

 

[JanuaryViolet]

If Chris refuses to take a deal, and they can't get Chris institutionalized permanently, I imagine that Consolvo will decide that a felony is in the cards, and Chris either stays in jail or goes back to Western State Hospital.

This is pretty much what I have been thinking as well, but it may take a couple of cycles before they get him something he doesn't either fuck up or walk away from.

 

[AnOminous]

If Chris refuses to take a deal, and they can't get Chris institutionalized permanently, I imagine that Consolvo will decide that a felony is in the cards, and Chris either stays in jail or goes back to Western State Hospital.

If Chris refuses to take a deal, then he loses his only real bargaining chip, which is saving Greene County the embarrassment of a trial on these ultimate white trash charges that everyone wishes would just go away. If Chris tards out and adamantly refuses a deal, I think they go for blood.

I'm not anticipating that though.

I think if Chris gets told you sign this paper and say this shit and you're out today (or to a better tard containment facility) or else you might get five years or the rest of your life, he's going to do it just like he did with much less compelling threats to his freedom.

He's never had to face anything resembling real consequences and even for him having his toys yanked for a year (and ultimately most of them forever) is basically hellish. I don't think he could even grasp a concept like "five years."

 

[A Grey Cat]

If Chris refuses to take a deal, then he loses his only real bargaining chip, which is saving Greene County the embarrassment of a trial on these ultimate white trash charges that everyone wishes would just go away. If Chris tards out and adamantly refuses a deal, I think they go for blood.

I'm not anticipating that though.

I think if Chris gets told you sign this paper and say this shit and you're out today (or to a better tard containment facility) or else you might get five years or the rest of your life, he's going to do it just like he did with much less compelling threats to his freedom.

He's never had to face anything resembling real consequences and even for him having his toys yanked for a year (and ultimately most of them forever) is basically hellish. I don't think he could even grasp a concept like "five years."

But then there's the question of "is his ego that bloated by now that he'll refuse to sign a paper that confesses and admits to guilt? " remember Chris is so far deluiosnal at this point that I'm amazed we haven't heard of him demanding to be released sole by virtue of being Jesus Christ and above the law. (forgetting conveniently that Jesus accepted his fate with grace and dignity and he actually was totally innocent)

 

[AnOminous]

But then there's the question of "is his ego that bloated by now that he'll refuse to sign a paper that confesses and admits to guilt? " remember Chris is so far deluiosnal at this point that I'm amazed we haven't heard of him demanding to be released sole by virtue of being Jesus Christ and above the law. (forgetting conveniently that Jesus accepted his fate with grace and dignity and he actually was totally innocent)

He doesn't just have to sign the paper, because even a tard like him could do that and pretend he had his fingers behind his back. He also has to admit in front of the judge that he did it and is guilty unless he gets some kind of Alford bullshit, which would still leave him convicted.

 

[Aero the Alcoholic Bat]

I'm amazed we haven't heard of him demanding to be released sole by virtue of being Jesus Christ and above the law. (forgetting conveniently that Jesus accepted his fate with grace and dignity and he actually was totally innocent)

I thought we already were at that point.