Community Tard Baby General (includes brain dead kids) - Fundies and their genetic Fuckups; Parents of corpses in denial

[Money Baggz $$$]

I have to weigh in on the Archie conversation when it comes to him being "ripped"
He is definitely not on steroids, none of the signs are there. Also, he was raised by a single mother doing gymnastics, not a single dad trying to create a football champ or some other social media wave like Little Hercules. Also, that level of fitness for a child that age is less concerning than literally anything else about the situation. The level of intensity of training from US pub school fitness about 40 years ago coupled with modern training knowledge and a spaz of a kid.. it adds up.

I am not saying he was well taken care of, lol, but he's just  not on steroids and his fitness isn't the smoking gun of abuse I think some of us may think it is.

 

[Quack_Quack]

Wait, this is not a thing that everyone does?


It's called therapeutic hypothermia or targeted temperature management. It's used in patients who have suffered a hypoxic brain injury. Evidence suggests that cooling the body down has a neuroprotective effect because it slows the metabolism, which decreases the amount of oxygen required by the body. The brain damage caused by an anoxic event continues long after oxygenation is restored, because the acute injury triggers a response which itself is very damaging to healthy cells. Basically, your brain realizes it doesn't have enough oxygen, it freaks the fuck out and hamfistedly tries to fix itself, and a cascade of bad stuff happens. Therapeutic cooling can decrease the severity of brain injury by limiting inflammation, decreasing excitotoxicity, inhibiting apoptosis (cell death), and restoring metabolic homeostasis.

There are specific indications for therapeutic cooling, which include cardiac arrest and moderate to severe neonatal hypoxic-ischemic injury (like what Luna the Tard Baby had). It doesn't magically fix the damage but it does improve outcomes if initiated as soon as possible after the event. Some neonatal intensive care units supply portable cooling blankets to their life flight teams, so that if a newborn at an outside hospital has a hypoxic event during birth, the cooling can be initiated during transport rather than waiting until the newborn reaches a larger hospital.

It's actually very cool and there's real science to back it up. In Archie's case, I think doctors probably figured it wouldn't hurt him even if it would be unlikely to help. Sometimes in the hours after an acute anoxic event like he experienced, it's hard to know with any certainty how much damage the brain has sustained and which anatomic areas were affected. It does sound like doctors initially felt his injury might be survivable, until the gravity of the damage to his brain was revealed over the subsequent days.


Purely anecdotal, but a relative of mine who worked in a pediatric intensive care unit told me years ago that the hands curling like this was often one of the first indicators that an unconscious patient was not going to survive. I actually noticed it in one of the earlier photos of Archie and thought of it.

They also use it for chemo patients as there's evidence it can slow hair loss

 

[Niuhp]

And in most cases like this, when the ADHD child finds a discipline they love, it helps them settle down. If gymnastics was so great for this kid, how come he didn't return to school? (I've heard of potentially ADHD kids ending up in, say, performing arts schools where they could hyperfocus on dance but still get a regular education. Surely there's got to be something for young athletes, if they're showing so much promise at that age?)

There is, but those young athletes need parents that give a shit and see the benefit their athletics adds to their support structures. I'm not saying gymnastics was great for him, I'm saying it's something that could occupy him for substantial amounts of time. Hollie could only see the benefits for herself in directing him into gymnastics, rather than using it as an educational support. Dedicated parents are what make the difference, not natural aptitude. I think Hollie's poor parenting/chaotic homelife was a major contributor to him not being in school. ADHD is a factor, not a reason.

With the details I know, I see a kid who was naturally athletically inclined with a distant sociopath for a mother in a high pressure sport where his good performance was the thing that finally got his mum to give him what felt like genuine affection and positive attention. I think he was in a precarious situation where he was emotionally neglected in such a way that the only sense of self worth and ability he had was tied up in gymnastics. I could definitely see any kid in his situation necking themselves, but poor emotional regulation is another ADHD symptom along with poor impulse control and rejection sensitivity, and all of them increase the risk factor for suicide. Like I said above I see badly unmanaged ADHD as a contributing factor to, but not a cause of his suicide. I do accept I could be projecting though

 

[booklover]

On a related note, here's a very powerful essay from the widow of Robin Williams. Had he not chosen to end his life, it would have only been a matter of time before he attained potato status, and people with LBD can live in that state for incredible lengths of time - a decade or more.

https://n.neurology.org/content/87/13/1308

 

[Treasure Champs]

On a related note, here's a very powerful essay from the widow of Robin Williams. Had he not chosen to end his life, it would have only been a matter of time before he attained potato status, and people with LBD can live in that state for incredible lengths of time - a decade or more.

https://n.neurology.org/content/87/13/1308

I'm not gonna powerlevel here, so you're just going to have to believe that I know what I'm talking about when I say, Fuck yeah, Robin. I'm grimly satisfied that he managed to get out before he became.... that. Sometimes dead is better.

No people in history have ever overvalued life more than we in the 21st century West. No matter what its quality. We resuscitate old people who are incontinent and mute and don't know who they are or recognize any of their family. We ban the termination of fetuses that have wobbling heart cells but no brain. We keep alive babies who will never walk, never talk, who live short lives in agony. We do things to people we would think were cruel to do to a dog.

So you don't want to be a gibbering, drooling, dignity-less mess, and you want out before everyone you care about sees you like that? You do it. I will mourn, but I will also clap.

 

[quickaskzoey]

Found a video from the MMA group Archie was a part of.

 

[Treasure Champs]

Found a video from the MMA group Archie was a part of.

Someone has sped this up to make it look super-impressive. At 0.75 it looks a bit more normal.

 

[Hypothermia]

I can't tell if Hollie Dance is genuinely delusional, a true narcissist or a grifter, in all ways, what she's disturbing and disrespectful. Let him go, goddammit. Putting a dead body on machines doesn't make it living.

 

[lolcow yoghurt]

It's called therapeutic hypothermia or targeted temperature management. It's used in patients who have suffered a hypoxic brain injury

It's the same mechanism as near-drowning victims with hypothermia in cold water withstanding longer periods of hypoxia. Hypothermia is mostly known for killing people but it actually can protect people too. Nature isn't always black and white. Hypothermia is truly an example of that.
ETA: I didn't read the last replies before reading that. I just saw the username of poster above me. lol.

 

[obsdj]

He is definitely not on steroids, none of the signs are there.

Roid rage, hirsuitism, extreme acne, that sort of thing? If he was pre-pubertal, would those things still happen?

 

[Money Baggz $$$]

Roid rage, hirsuitism, extreme acne, that sort of thing? If he was pre-pubertal, would those things still happen?

Short answer; Yes they can still happen.

But..

Spoiler: Steroid nonsense

Largely those are side effects and inconclusive when it comes to anabolic steroid use, as many of the "lighter" ones may give none of those side effects to most people. However, more telling, is the overall size, shape, density, and dryness of the muscles. Of course also the overall muscle mass. To put it simply, there's just no sign. All his high androgen receptor areas like his traps and delts are completely flat, his muscle bellies are defined but not large. He isn't veiny. He isn't very lean, (for bodybuilding standards) sitting at what looks to be ~10% bodyfat.

 

[A tree]

Someone has sped this up to make it look super-impressive. At 0.75 it looks a bit more normal.

This is something I noticed, PL I dabble in marital arts and have done gymnastics as a kid. He's energetic but his form isn't that impressive IMO. He's not that sharp or tidy like some hothoused sports kids are. His punches aren't necessarily that effective. He's clearly trained A LOT but lacks finesse. I wonder how he felt about that big fight coming up. Was he ready for it?

We left our MMA club for proper traditional marital arts becuse it was teaching the kids to punch kick and block, but not how to do it properly. There was a total lack of the mind body spirit stuff you really want from martial arts. It was a much more macho bullshit environment.


Re roids or not, I'm on the fence about supplements in general. May not be literal steroids but she talked about supplements before I believe. I do wonder was the kid given creatine or fat burners or something. Even the kids on the higher belts in the marital arts clubs I've been part of don't look like that.

 

[A Detachable Penis]

Uh, that was a mistake.

Tldr: Kid had most of his brain on the outside so they shoved it back in.

 

[A tree]

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Uh, that was a mistake.

Tldr: Kid had most of his brain on the outside so they shoved it back in.

Encephalocele? He might have a chance at a reasonable QOL albeit significantly disabled. There will be a lot of surgery though. Friend of mine was born with the gut version and is happy healthy and works in a hospital to give something back.

 

[Treasure Champs]

He's not that sharp or tidy like some hothoused sports kids are. His punches aren't necessarily that effective. He's clearly trained A LOT but lacks finesse.

Ah. I thought it looked a bit... violent rather than disciplined, but I'm not really familiar with that sort of thing. Are you really supposed to knee people in the balls? That looked very self-defense rather than martial art, but then I'm probably thinking of something a bit more genteel than MMA.

 

[Filipenisfan420]

Ah. I thought it looked a bit... violent rather than disciplined, but I'm not really familiar with that sort of thing. Are you really supposed to knee people in the balls? That looked very self-defense rather than martial art, but then I'm probably thinking of something a bit more genteel than MMA.

I thought that too, they seem like the kind of family that, had this not happened they'd be on Jeremy Kyle in a few years because he beats his mum up.

 

[A tree]

Ah. I thought it looked a bit... violent rather than disciplined, but I'm not really familiar with that sort of thing. Are you really supposed to knee people in the balls? That looked very self-defense rather than martial art, but then I'm probably thinking of something a bit more genteel than MMA.

In my opinion there are 2 different things. Martial arts like Karate and Kung fu which are all about discipline and body control and mental and spiritual resilience, and Boxing type sports where you hammer the fuck out of pads. MMA is the latter. Even the high level people in the club we were in were sloppy as fuck compared to even the purple stripe and brown belts in the club I'm in now. YMMV this is just my opinion and observation.

You can knee people in the balls though, but if they're remotely competent they won't let you.

 

[trance_glory]

Our very own cow, Caroline Farrow, has got involved with Archie and has written an op ed article. I agree with you Caroline, mothers like Archie's are indeed few and far between.



Someone has funded this ad in the London Standard



The MP for Southend, Anna Firth, has also posted about Archie. I'm astounded that an MP is encouraging her constituents to donate to these grifters.

 

[A tree]

Our very own cow, Caroline Farrow, has got involved with Archie and has written an op ed article. I agree with you Caroline, mothers like Archie's are indeed few and far between.

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Someone has funded this ad in the London Standard

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The MP for Southend, Anna Firth, has also posted about Archie. I'm astounded that an MP is encouraging her constituents to donate to these grifters.

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Ha. Didn't realise the mad catlick lady had her own thread. What a nutter. And as for the newspaper ad is this where all those donations are going? Nonsense like this?

At least pretend you're setting up a foundation for other victims. Do they really think they can spend him back to life?

 

[Gayden_Wren]

I hope Dance is given support for the sake of the nations mental health- a big enough dose of antipsychotics that she forgets how to use the internet and earns herself a spot on this thread in her own right.