Worshipping a sand god is the ultimate cuck - No white person on the planet can possibly justify being a christcuck

[Isaac]

You hate Christianity just because you're just racist? And you like Paganism (I didn't read most your post because it wasn't very good so I'm just assuming you're a supposed Pagan) because of how racist you are? Do you think Athena or Zeus would be happy that you choose to worship them just because of how much you hate sand coloured people from a foreign country? Isn't it an insult to their divinity? That they'd be satisfied by bigotted neo-pagan larping?

Sure, my little illustrations of Abraham and Saint Paul are probably wrong. But that doesn't matter to me, because my faith isn't contingent upon how racist I can be towards people who are different than me. There is one God, and that is why I believe. Because it's true

 

[Rosy Reptile]

You're arguing against paganism to an agnostic-atheist to start with. I did read your post but you fail to prove any other religion false outside of your own opinion. Your argument basically boils down to saying the religion you follow agrees with your philosophy, which proves nothing.


Purpose comes from within. I actually agree with you on this statement because we are the voluntary agents, where I disagree is that any purpose needs to come from external forces such as god.


I just don't understand splitting hairs over the nature of reality when you can't even prove god exists. Show me proof he exists outside of religious texts.

It's not "my opinion", I'm making a philosophical argument. Refusing to address it is not a counter-argument. You realize that atheism and skepticism are also philosophies, right? That we're having a philosophical argument? Your philosophy doesn't give you enough of an epistemological foundation to make any claims at all, while mine does. You don't prove God with a microscope anymore than you do the number 3. There aren't "3"s hovering around out there like on Sesame Street.

We can only assign relative purpose, not objective purpose. You have to make something to be able to determine the "why" of it. Objective purpose is necessary for bias regulation and information parsing through attention.

I did bring you proof outside of religious texts. That's what the philosophical argument was for. Let's say I did give you miracles, etc. You're just going to interpret that data in such a way so that it's due to a natural occurrence, faked, etc. Data is interpreted according to your paradigm, which can be evaluated philosophically as true or false. Yours is false because you make claims without having the foundation to do so.

 

[b0o0pinsn0o0tz]

it still gets me how so many racist christcucks look past jesus' background because it's inconvenient for them.

This, so much this. It's impossible to be logically consistent if you're gonna worship a rabbi on a stick and the jewish interpretation of the sky father archetype but also have /pol/ views. I get that it can involve some really hard looking inward that involves asking yourself some tough questions, but you'll be better off for it.

On the other hand it's easy as fuck for me to say this because I went "This Pagan stuff seems to make more sense to me" as a teenager then /pol/ sperging came later in life.

 

[snailslime]

This, so much this. It's impossible to be logically consistent if you're gonna worship a rabbi on a stick and the jewish interpretation of the sky father archetype but also have /pol/ views. I get that it can involve some really hard looking inward that involves asking yourself some tough questions, but you'll be better off for it.

On the other hand it's easy as fuck for me to say this because I went "This Pagan stuff seems to make more sense to me" as a teenager then /pol/ sperging came later in life.

all people with wn/poltard views should unironically all become pagans because they're obviously not true christians.

 

[Gamercat]

does the sand god live in a sand castle?

 

[Unyielding Stupidity]

I'd like to see you try.

Their epistemologies don't hold water. To start with, the statement "I know that I can't know anything" is a contradiction. This means that knowledge must be possible.

Only a fully benevolent personal God who creates by choice rather than necessity can justify our own faith in our knowledge faculties. As the history of Western philosophy has shown us, trying to base our epistemology in autonomous reasoning is impossible and has led to the collapse of Western philosophy altogether. This is because we make judgements about what's true based on our logical faculties, senses, awareness etc without first having a justification for why we can trust that those senses aren't lying to us. How do we know that we're not turtles dreaming at the bottom of the ocean (the "I think therefore I am" argument is bad for reasons covered in the paper linked).

The God needs to be a free creator of everything because one of our categories of knowledge is bias/attention, which is organized according to our sense of the relative purpose of things in relation to us. Purpose can only be assigned by a voluntarily creative agent. We also need to know what context we exist in (the "relation to us"). This means that history and where we are at least in some sense must be knowable, and it means that we can also make use of historical evidences.

Most pagan traditions don't even claim to have anything like this, and some don't even think that objective truth even exists at all. Buddhism in particular can get pretty crazy in some schools as far as this goes. The other "monotheistic" faiths rely on Hellenic arguments about absolute divine simplicity which make God's creation necessary rather than voluntary (removing purpose). Early Christianity (and contemporary Orthodoxy) have the essence-energies distinction, which avoids this problem.

The other "Abrahamic" traditions also are very obviously not in continuity with the tradition of ancient Israel, which they would need to be. Only Christianity has any remaining connection to the first temple, since early Churches were/are just the temples but updated in their new fulfilled form. There was a direct continuity before, during, and after the destruction of the temple in 70 AD. Rabbinical Judaism didn't take the form we know until after the destruction of the temple in 70 AD (no temple nor connection to the temple), and contemporary Hasidic Judaism takes after the sorceries of guys like Isaac Luria and his interpretation of the Neoplatonism-inspired Kabbalah. It's medieval occultism, not the old tradition. Islam isn't even worth mentioning, being 8th century fanfiction.

Christianity is the only religion which meets all of these criteria. It has all of the necessary metaphysics and epistemology, and also exists as an entity in history.

You do realize that Sikhism also meets all the criteria about truth that you you lined out, right?

 

[AnOminous]

ITT:

You do realize that Sikhism also meets all the criteria about truth that you you lined out, right?

Sikhs are based.

 

[Rosy Reptile]

You do realize that Sikhism also meets all the criteria about truth that you you lined out, right?

Sikhism on the surface sounds very similar in several ways, but it has a few problems. The first is that Sikhs advocate panentheism, which has a less rigid distinction between the creator and the created. This is almost a bigger issue for the benevolence requirement (so you can know that your God isn't lying to you about everything) than it is for the purpose requirement. If everything is (even in a reduced sense) ontologically divine, then how do you keep evil in the world from reflecting back into the Godhead? This is especially a problem when Sikhs explicitly (as far as what I can understand) identify the soul/Atman with the creator God. If the human soul is divine (as opposed to in Christianity, where it's just created in the image of God), then how can it choose evil?

And even if Sikhism were identical or near-identical in all necessary respects, it'd then come down to historical arguments for the legitimacy of either of them. Guru Nanak hopped onto the scene in the 1500s, with nothing like the very specific build-up that Christ had through the prophets.

 

[AnOminous]

This is almost a bigger issue for the benevolence requirement (so you can know that your God isn't lying to you about everything)

I have yet to be convinced of that.

 

[The Repeated Meme]

If I were ever going to subscribe to a religion Christianity seems like the most sensible one.

 

[Shidoen]

Why can't I be Christian and Racist? Are ancestors did it like the Spanish. They made Christian Mexicans so I stand by my point of being racist but still race mixing.

 

[Synthetic Smug]

That'll show dad how wrong he was!

 

[Mile High Club]

does the sand god live in a sand castle?

♫ Evil little people made of sand
Live in a beach and they blend in
If you don't see them just pretend ♫

 

[Mothra1988]

Give me a couple of examples for pagan blood sacrifice. Not that I don't believe they were a thing, as far as I know there was a component of human sacrifice (self-immolating gods, otoh? Will have to look that up), I just want to follow through with the comparative religions and see which one "narratively" and "functionally" makes the most sense, because a guy being killed the same way as everyone else has in order to "forgive" sins that, realistically, could have been forgiven even before his sacrifice, makes no sense.
Actually, the whole inclusion of gentiles within a Biblical framework makes no sense, Abraham as the "father of nations" might not mean what too many people think it means. I'm Italian, which means that, from a Biblical standpoint, I'm from Japhet and only God knows which one of his sons, not from Abraham. He fathered many children, not just Isaac, and his children became the neighbours of the Israelites like Edomites, Midianites, North Arabians and so on, this is what being a Father of Nations means. In order to come from Abraham, I would have to be Semitic and a certain kind, which I'm not. There isn't even evidence that a messiah is supposed to be anything else than a Jewish worldly king, none of that kingdom of heaven stuff and I wouldn't follow one either.
"He died for your sins", I never understood that, and I heard this from plenty of midwits as well. Maybe I'm a retard.

You need to do more reading about religion I guess. It's Wikipedia, but it's a good over-view of the history of sacrifice, which has existed on all continents irregardless of culture for a reason I think:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrifice

You seem to have some confusion regarding the Christian religion versus Old Testament Judaism. Christianity is based on a new covenant with God that includes gentiles. The intent of Jesus is pretty clear in the Parable of the Wicked Husbandmen in which he predicted the Pharisees were going to kill him. That parable in particular is about Jews fucking up so much over history that the covenant was going to be changed to parties beyond them after they killed God's son. Also the covenant with Abraham was not the first one, the one with Noah precedes it, and Old Testament prophets also prophesied the coming a new covenant that would supersede what came before.

Why can't I be Christian and Racist? Are ancestors did it like the Spanish. They made Christian Mexicans so I stand by my point of being racist but still race mixing.

Moses race mixed with his black wife, and God gave Miriam snow white skin from lerposy over not respecting the relationship. lol The idea the Bible is racist in any way was just an invention by people using it as justification for their own BS.

all people with wn/poltard views should unironically all become pagans because they're obviously not true christians.

Paganism is the modern context is a LARP. Anyone who says they are a modern Pagan is a retard. It's not an existent religion anymore with a continued chain of dogma and ritual practices. It's more about some anti-social virgins listening to the insane rantings of some edgy hobo murderer that hates the culture of his own country and created white offspring with a retarded autistic woman (like that is a huge accomplishment). lol

 

[Shidoen]

You need to do more reading about religion I guess. It's Wikipedia, but it's a good over-view of the history of sacrifice, which has existed on all continents irregardless of culture for a reason I think:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sacrifice

You seem to have some confusion regarding the Christian religion versus Old Testament Judaism. Christianity is based on a new covenant with God that includes gentiles. The intent of Jesus is pretty clear in the Parable of the Wicked Husbandmen in which he predicted the Pharisees were going to kill him. That parable in particular is about Jews fucking up so much over history that the covenant was going to be changed to parties beyond them after they killed God's son. Also the covenant with Abraham was not the first one, the one with Noah precedes it, and Old Testament prophets also prophesied the coming a new covenant that would supersede what came before.



Moses race mixed with his black wife, and God gave Miriam snow white skin from lerposy over not respecting the relationship. lol The idea the Bible is racist in any way was just an invention by people using it as justification for their own BS.



Paganism is the modern context is a LARP. Anyone who says they are a modern Pagan is a retard. It's not an existent religion anymore with a continued chain of dogma and ritual practices. It's more about some anti-social virgins listening to the insane rantings of some edgy hobo murderer that hates the culture of his own country and created white offspring with a retarded autistic woman (like that is a huge accomplishment). lol

I know I was joking. I'll still tell racist jokes and confess in the booth. They get a lot of laughter on those days.

 

[Kabuki Actor]

all people with wn/poltard views should unironically all become pagans because they're obviously not true christians.

Christianity is the only common religion between all White races, if you identify as White and not Germanic, Nordic, Roman, etc, and you base your choice of religion on ethnic identity, then Christianity is the way to go.

I'll give it to you with poltards since they only believe things that alienate themselves from any hope of success.

 

[Dagobert]

Why can't I be Christian and Racist? Are ancestors did it like the Spanish. They made Christian Mexicans so I stand by my point of being racist but still race mixing.

The Mediterranean race, and our Iberian-American cousins are superior to the Germanic and Celtic races by virtue of our intermingling with other threads of humanity.

To maintain racial purity, the Germanics and Celtics are reducing themselves to the human equivalent of the pug. All attempts to "save the white race" by avoiding intermixing will instead destroy it, reducing it to a "purebred" race with such polluted genetics that they will be grotesque caricatures of mankind.

 

[snailslime]

Christianity is the only common religion between all White races, if you identify as White and not Germanic, Nordic, Roman, etc, and you base your choice of religion on ethnic identity, then Christianity is the way to go.

I'll give it to you with poltards since they only believe things that alienate themselves from any hope of success.

yeah but christianity came from the middle east and not europe.

 

[Shidoen]

yeah but christianity came from the middle east and not europe.

That’s the main thing too. Europe only amplified Christianity and further spread it by doing Europe shit. Europe didn’t create Christianity and it sure gave it a platform to grow.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

If you’re open to heresy, I have done some contemplating having read about older religions and the Old Testament

Spoiler: Heresy Time

I suspect that a lot of religions, especially in areas with Indo-Europeans are connected and have similar roots. Just they ended up separating over time, gained or changed doctrines, and evolved with their societies. I’m doing my best to simplify this as much as possible… From Hinduism to the Greek Pantheon to Christianity, there is a shared religious heritage thanks to their common ancestors.

There are notable parallels between some of the gods like Zeus & Baal, notably they’re storm and fertility gods. A number of scholars agree that the two are often connected. Cows are often associated with them. Cows are also regular fixtures in Indo-European religion, most notably in Hinduism but often pop up in the symbology of the Old Testament.

Set is also a storm god and a god of “foreigners” so I suspect that his worship was introduced by nomadic Indo-Europeans and we know Baal was worshipped in Egypt at one point in time. Worship of Baal was also spread throughout North Africa by the Phoenicians and I suspect that Baal worship was reintroduced multiple times over the centuries.

Baal was once indistinguishable and shared titles with the Jewish deity we call God. Some evidence of this is shown in their names. Baal was once a common compound of Jewish names. The judge Gideon was named Jerrubaal, and so were a number of other old testament figures. Due to Jezebel being an annoying slut as well as religious divisions, caused the Jews to replace names compounded with -baal to -boshet or shame.

There are some other parallels. One for example is how Baal would often struggle with the god of death and stagnancy. If he succeeded there’d be seven years of prosperity but if he failed there’s be seven years of drought. We can see parallels with Joseph’s dream of the 7 fat cows and 7 skinny/dead cows.

And I could go on.

TLDR indo-European religions from Hinduism to Christianity have shared roots.