Western Animation - Discuss American, Canadian, and European cartoons here (or just bitch about wokeshit, I guess)

[Super-Chevy454]

Faggots and troons are their own worst enemy. We were doing just fine ten years ago in regards to gay acceptance.

Yeah, they should have known their limitations to paraphrase Dirty Harry.

 

[A Grey Cat]

Kevin Smith had similar thoughts on that, feeling that UPN was asking him to be a big fish in a tiny pond. In retrospect, he does not consider how he handled the cartoon his finest hour.

*shudder*
Maybe we can make this more positive; what are some genuinely good cartoon dads? Ever since The Simpsons happened, every dad has been some kind of abusive man child and it got boring after awhile. It made even the halfway decent ones stick out more.

Hugh nutreon: Jim James Jimbo Jimmy.

Also the guy spent his last 50 bucks that could have made him a millionaire on the ring he proposed to Judy with. Total Chad.

Edit; ninjaed but my point still stands


Also grandpa Phil and Arnold's birth dad, Gerald's Dad even if he could occasionally come off as a frugal cheap skate, really all the dads on hey Arnold except for big Bob pataki. Though he ocassinaly had his good moments.

Lastly as was said in the Disney thread.

Goofy: my son loves me.
Pete: hey! MY son respects me!

Goof: yeah...

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

Speaking of father figures, would you consider Hank Hill a good one? I don't always agree with what he does or believes, but I do think his heart is in the right place.

He is honestly the gold standard. There are Zoomers out there who unironically look up to him as a role model, and to be fair, I cannot say I don't. While Hank has his faults, he does have a good understanding of how society works and what morality you should have. He has gotten Bobby out of many situations due to this fact, and does fight for his son to have the positive experiences he had, like in the Halloween episode. Hank's greatest downfall is his lack of connection with Bobby, but he does try and does give Bobby credit on is abilities by the end. There is a reason the Hills are the least dysfunctional adult animated family. Hank and Peggy may be dense at times, but they certainly maintain some level of common sense and proper parenting.

Maybe we can make this more positive; what are some genuinely good cartoon dads?

I am sure I can name a few:

• Batman - I know he didn't originate from animation, and the general meme of bringing kids into crime fighting, but as a father figure he is genuinely great. Much of why he does the things he does is so that his Bat-Family is not as damaged as he is. He gave the Robins a home and father after they lost theirs, he also gave many closure on finding their parents' killer so that they don't end up as vengeful as him. For all Young Justice's faults, the early seasons did a great job of showing the role Batman plays and how he wants the best for his adopted kids, even if he is not emotionally capable of showing it.
• Jake The Dog - Sure he is lazy and a man child, but Jake does really love his kids. I know the show pulled a cop out to some degree by having them age fast, but I think this benefitted him in the long run as we got a Jake learning to deal with his adult children. He genuinely takes interest in their lives and hobbies and gets exclusive adventures with them where he tries his best to help them. Jake also kind of raises Finn, and is much smarter and wiser than he leads on, sidestepping the dumb dad trope a bit.
• Mung Daal - Do I need to explain. The dude loves his apprentice and is a pretty positive role mode for Chowder acting as both a teacher and a parent at alternating points within the series.
• Monty Uno - The dude sacrificed a ton for his kid when taking out Grandfather.
• Chad (Clarence) - For being peak white trash, as he is a lazy slob, Chad does seem like a good step-father to Clarence.

Hugh Neutron and Hank were already mentioned.

 

[AnOminous]

Dr. Benton Quest (even if he was gay). Actually I seriously hope they never bring that back because they'll make it turbo-gay.

 

[Muttnik]

I think this one is obvious.

RIP. Dicks out for the best Disney Dad (other than Goofy).

 

[Steamboat_Bill]

Dr. Benton Quest (even if he was gay). Actually I seriously hope they never bring that back because they'll make it turbo-gay.

They tried to pretend Dr. Quest was heterosexual in the episodes made in the 80s. Those of us who know the burning subtext between him and Race Bannon know better.

 

[Lapis Lazuli]

Greg Universe

Yeah, no. Throughout the show, Steven lives with the crystal gems, Greg just fucks off to his truck most of the time and only shows up when the plot needs him to. Sure, he's nice, but I think it's to the point where he lets people walk all over him. He may not be an outwardly abusive father, but he's neglectful and a pushover.

On the topic of dads in animation, do they fare any better in Japan? Not sure if I should count characters who became fathers later in the series or strictly leave it to only those who were fathers from the beginning.

 

[starborn427614]

Yeah, no. Throughout the show, Steven lives with the crystal gems, Greg just fucks off to his truck most of the time and only shows up when the plot needs him to. Sure, he's nice, but I think it's to the point where he lets people walk all over him. He may not be an outwardly abusive father, but he's neglectful and a pushover.

On the topic of dads in animation, do they fare any better in Japan? Not sure if I should count characters who became fathers later in the series or strictly leave it to only those who were fathers from the beginning.

His job pays for everything and he built the house Steven lived in (with help ofc). He's also the one who actually gives Steven practical advice and despite messing up is still always there for him. He ain't perfect and I'll grant you he's a total softy, but imo his situation was so unprecedented its a bit unfair to judge him too harshly.

As for your anime point I'd go with All Might from MHA. More a father figure than a biological one but he fits a lot of the criteria for what makes a good dad.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

On the topic of dads in animation, do they fare any better in Japan? Not sure if I should count characters who became fathers later in the series or strictly leave it to only those who were fathers from the beginning.

Yotsuba&! has a single (adoptive) dad who, even though he isn't exactly the most driven parent who ever lived, is devoted to his (adoptive) daughter.

He prioritizes Yotsuba at all costs, never condescends to her, and never dismisses what she says. He will discipline or tell her off when appropriate, and won't spoil her too much, but he takes genuine interest in her ideas and is often willing to treat her to something new, whether it be pizza or the zoo.

There's also Kouhai from Sweetness and Lightning. He is a widower and math teacher has raised his daughter alone since the untimely passing of his wife. Even though, at first, he isn't the best chef, his love for his daughter pushes him to become a better one over the course of the story.

I'm sure there are others, these two are just the ones that came to mind for me.

 

[madethistocomment]

Kevin Smith had similar thoughts on that, feeling that UPN was asking him to be a big fish in a tiny pond. In retrospect, he does not consider how he handled the cartoon his finest hour.

*shudder*
Maybe we can make this more positive; what are some genuinely good cartoon dads? Ever since The Simpsons happened, every dad has been some kind of abusive man child and it got boring after awhile. It made even the halfway decent ones stick out more.

Uncle Iroh! His influence on Zuko shaped him into the kind, morally upright, dutiful, and honorable young man that we see in the final season. Without him and his love and guidance Zuko would have stayed that angry, violent, traumatized boy who never knew what having a true father was like that he was in season one. He's Zuko's real dad, not the man who mutilated him.

This, right here? It never fails to make me all choked up. That's what an amazing dad (and also an amazing son) looks like.

 

[starborn427614]

Uncle Iroh! His influence on Zuko shaped him into the kind, morally upright, dutiful, and honorable young man that we see in the final season. Without him and his love and guidance Zuko would have stayed that angry, violent, traumatized boy who never knew what having a true father was like that he was in season one. He's Zuko's real dad, not the man who mutilated him.

This, right here? It never fails to make me all choked up. That's what an amazing dad (and also an amazing son) looks like.

Great pick, kind of embarrassed I forgot Iroh.

 

[Yamma Damma]

Doofenshmirsch. Phineas and Ferb came on around the time I stopped giving at shit about cartoons (and tv in general), but Doofenshmirsch was my favorite character and a very likeable one despite being the antagonist. He was treated like shit during his childhood and give it his all to give his daughter a good life even if she didn't appreciate it.

What a spoiled little shit. "No, just accepting me as I am and living with me regardless of how I choose to live my life isn't enough! You have to be my personal army and cut ties with people who disagree with me, even if they are family!" Gen X (and Z)'s weird fixation on constant, uncritical, unyielding validation is the epitome of First World Problems.

People like this (the kind of person who otherizes their non-trans or non-gay family members as "cishets") don't understand that this kind of entitled mentality implicitly means that the spoiled brats making demands like this are ready and willing to cut off and villainize anyone for a minor misstep or disagreement at a moment's notice. First it's grandma, then it could be mom, or dad or the little brother, anyone could be next, so now they all need to walk on eggshells.

This fucking mentality is endemic in terminally online gays from Tumblr or Twitter and is reflected in how these people generally tend to not have many friends that aren't on discord and only talk to their families when they need food or money.

The worst part about this tweet in specific is that this person tweeting is 24 fucking years old. Cartoons like this aren't meant for kids 6-11, they're made for weirdos like this who are heavily obsessed with using the LGBTQ as a replacement for a personality.

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Steven Universe and the whiny Gen-X millennials behind it ruined a generation of cartoons. (which is sad since technology is better and allows for better looking animation)

I tried looking at the tweet in your screenshot but the whole fucking account got suspended. Good chance it was for this (i've seen accounts get suspended for less) since it was actually funny. I almost want to watch this just to see what the granny did/said was SoOoOo TrAnSpHoBiC but fucking troons aren't worth the hard liquor.

Kevin Smith had similar thoughts on that, feeling that UPN was asking him to be a big fish in a tiny pond. In retrospect, he does not consider how he handled the cartoon his finest hour.

*shudder*
Maybe we can make this more positive; what are some genuinely good cartoon dads? Ever since The Simpsons happened, every dad has been some kind of abusive man child and it got boring after awhile. It made even the halfway decent ones stick out more.

Kevin Smith is living proof that if you're going to get rid of body fat, make sure that includes the fat in your head.

Arthur's Dad, Mr. Reed. He was a caterer and a spaz at times but damn did he know how to keep DW's bitchy self in place when the mom wasn't around.

His best moment was in episode inspired by 9/11 (a school fire) showing all the different kids reactions and dealing with the aftermath. Mr. Reed was at the school for some reason and was the last one out of the building, worrying Arthur when he went anywhere. He told Arthur how he had the same worries when his mom lived through a car crash. Ending it with it's his job to worry about him, not the opposite. King shit.

Optimus Prime

Did he build a kid or adopt a human?

 

[Basic Blonde Boy]

Yeah, no. Throughout the show, Steven lives with the crystal gems, Greg just fucks off to his truck most of the time and only shows up when the plot needs him to. Sure, he's nice, but I think it's to the point where he lets people walk all over him. He may not be an outwardly abusive father, but he's neglectful and a pushover.

Greg is a good father, the issue is the situation. His wife left him and three gems to figure out a baby none were prepared to handle. It is pretty clear though that Greg and the gems battle over raising Steven as both lack knowledge in certain aspects of him. Greg raised Steven for his early years with the gems mainly leaving him as a single parent. As Steven unlocks his powers, he lets the gems take over more as he knows nothing about this biology. Even still, he does try to be a part of his sons life and keep him out of danger, gem stuff is just out of his element, which was highlighted in a season 1 episode where he tried to win Steven back.

 

[Jonah Hill poster]

I’m willing to argue that Tommy Pickles’ father was the best when it came to trying to handle Angelica when her own parents could not do it

Say what you want about Rugrats, but Stu first hand taught me about patience with dealing with unruly kids at almost 4 a.m. It did have some nice lessons about how parenting isn’t always as cozy as one would make it seem on the TV.

 

[Neil]

On the topic of dads in animation, do they fare any better in Japan? Not sure if I should count characters who became fathers later in the series or strictly leave it to only those who were fathers from the beginning.

Generally fathers are absent in shonen. (Go figure!)
If the father is a shounen protagonist, he will always be a bad/neglectful dad. EX: Goku and Naruto.
if the father is named Gendo and/or is in any anime that even remotely touches psychology, he will always be an abusive dad.
Otherwise:

 

[Niggerphobe]

>Owl House avatar
>demands to be praised

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The creator of your favorite cartoon doesn’t even respect the fans enough to tell them the real reason why her show was canceled by Disney, yet wants to blame Disney for not allowing gay people to thrive in the animation industry.

Also, that scene in Deadendia makes gay man children look insufferable.

may I ask what was the real reason

 

[A Grey Cat]

Mulan's dad actually survived the whole movie as did Hercules' foster dad. Hell you could argue Hercules had three father figures throughout the movie: his birth father Zeus, his foster father and finally a father figure in Phil. After all to quote Phil himself : "someday they're gonna look up at the stars and say, that's Phil's boy!" Which they did at the end. speaking of Phil there was Phil Funnie. I can still remember the eps where he and Doug made a fighter kite together, and where he gave up his dream of running his own photography studio to be with his family, and lets not forget the original finale on nick where he wanted the funnies to have a great vacation at the painted gorge.


on a less uplifting not that dead end paranormal park? (which is apparently on Netflix but I could have sworn it was a CN show) it's apparently #5 in the us according to Netflix. Uh huh yeah sure, what are the chances that's only cause Netflix themselves decided that hmm?

 

[Commander X]

Out of nowhere, someone I know mentioned that trans cartoon mentioned upthread earlier today, he'd seen stills of it and thought it had to be the worst art on an American cartoon he'd seen, as he put it: "The style looks like if a bootleg Steven Universe had a baby, and then that baby was bootlegged."

 

[PumpkinSpiceBitchMeringue]

Does hirsch have a thread? I hear so much shit between his drumpf twitter rants, having dipper and wendy be a reference to his crush on Lauren Faust, and his thing with Dana Terrence.

I liked Gravity Falls but whenever I hear about alex its always negative. I also really hate how you see his show referenced everywhere. Practically every disney cartoon after had some sort of reference, even the Simpsons had a bill cipher cameo!

It just comes of as nepotistic

Alex Hirsch is an insufferable TDS soy faggot but as far as I'm aware he hasn't had a complete meltdown nor he provides enough milk for a stand alone thread.
The problem that people have with him, I'm assuming, is how he quickly turns away any normal fans that wanted to catch up with any behind the scenes or merch
of Gravity Falls or found some of his shitposting funny by just spouting about his shitty politics and his agenda.

As well a the fact that he keeps trying to push those same politics into his show like asking fans to draw one of the main characters punching neo nazis or this shit:



I once saw a heated argument between him and a young fan's father because the latter got tired of all the shit flinging Alex would throw at anyone right of center on his Twitter account.

The guy can go from this



to this




And sure, you can go and ignore the guy while you miss out on news about the show just because the guy can't shut the fuck up about politics.

 

[Vyse Inglebard]

on a less uplifting not that dead end paranormal park? (which is apparently on Netflix but I could have sworn it was a CN show) it's apparently #5 in the us according to Netflix. Uh huh yeah sure, what are the chances that's only cause Netflix themselves decided that hmm?

If the people who give it this many views are real, I guarantee you, 90-100% will be terminally online Twittards, and 0-10% actual children.

Alex Hirsch is an insufferable TDS soy faggot but as far as I'm aware he hasn't had a complete meltdown nor he provides enough milk for a stand alone thread.
The problem that people have with him, I'm assuming, is how he quickly turns away any normal fans that wanted to catch up with any behind the scenes or merch
of Gravity Falls or found some of his shitposting funny by just spouting about his shitty politics and his agenda.

As well a the fact that he keeps trying to push those same politics into his show like asking fans to draw one of the main characters punching neo nazis or this shit:
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I once saw a heated argument between him and a young fan's father because the latter got tired of all the shit flinging Alex would throw at anyone right of center on his Twitter account.

The guy can go from this
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And sure, you can go and ignore the guy while you miss out on news about the show just because the guy can't shut the fuck up about politics.
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Dude, you draw slightly more complex stick figures for a living. You are not a political analyst. Sit your ass down, and shut your fucking mouth.