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tbh that really did look like a dong
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Walt failed his actual goals. At least the ones he publicly revealed. Most people think he wanted to be the America's kindly Uncle. But actually he was a hardcore utopianist. What he really wanted to be was an authoritarian Andrew Ryan or Robert House rather than Mr. Rogers on steroids. All the stuff he's known for was just a childish distraction or at most a stepping stone.
Ironically he achieved that goal so many business tycoons of industry and political figures he envied would kill for in their wildest dreams. Being immortalized as the one of the world's greatest beloved fatherly figures with legions of devoted fans, many who base their whole lives around his work. Yet personally it didn't seem to matter to him at all next to his true dream of becoming the technocratic dictator of his own personally built city of the future. I guess its true what they say, man is eternally restless and yearns for more no matter how much they get. And the grass is greener on the otherside.
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I talked about this in the Star Wars thread but I'll talk about it again in this more appropriate thread.
It's easy to be more forgiving of Eisner today but we forget that by 2004 he had run the brand into the ground with his greed, nobody cared about Brother Bear or Home on the Range, nobody cared about the parks because it had been years since anything interesting was done with them, the name Disney just made people cringe in 2004.
Then Eisner was outed and slowly the brand was rehabilitated and starting around 2006 and by 2009 it was ok to admit you liked Disney again, but then Iger wound up fucking it up even worse in the long run.
But fuck Eisner for allowing the 20K Under The Sea ride to close.
Imagine living in the year 2022 and not wondering if those whacked out 90s conspiracy theories had a point after all...
I unironically have a fondness for that archetype of Andrew Ryan and Robert House or Walt Disney and Howard Hughes for some real life examples, that whole mid-20th century tycoon who dreamed BIG and was actually fucking insane enough to try to make his dreams happen.
I unironically wish we lived in a world today built by a guy like that, although the truth is such endeavors are destined to end in a Hell on Earth like Andrew Ryan's Rapture, it's the nature of things, Icarus flies too close to the sun and plummets into the sea, Prometheus suffers a terrible fate when stealing fire from the gods, man tries to build a tower to Heaven and God's mighty wrath smacks it down, Walt Disney dies of cancer just before building his city of tomorrow.
We're arguably living in a real life example of that, a Hell on Earth released by the power of the smart phone brought to us by a man who was similar to that archetype I mentioned, Steve Jobs, we live in Job's Rapture.
But dammit, it's beautiful to dream, it's what we do as man.
And people were smoking some strong crack in the 20th century, it's why we still have people who still fly the flags in honor of Hitler, Stalin or buy all sorts of Disney merchandise for absurd prices, we live in the craters of the footsteps left by giants, it's always struck me as profound how powerful the aesthetic of Art Deco is or the general "Disney" aesthetic.
It applies to other eras of history as well, which is why we have people who still fly the flag of the Confederacy, those Dixie good old boys who didn't back down, or those who wax nostalgic about ancient Rome, it's all men who dreamed big even though the dreams turned into nightmares.
The tower WILL fall, the center cannot hold, the tide will always come in and wash the sandcastle away, but we should never stop trying.
My point is Walt had that rare sort of drive which is why the company he founded still has the following it does, it's downright spooky what that dude was able to achieve in his lifetime, the amount of success he had in that wide a variety of fields, but had he lived long enough to build the EPCOT he wanted it probably would have ended in disaster, but dammit, it would have been fascinating to see it play out.
But he definitely had that sinister side to him, he definitely wanted to be a Big Brother type figure, but I don't think a world where Uncle Walt rules the world and is kept alive by machines and inflicts his order through his army of Mickey Mouse animatronic foot soldiers would be any worse than the realty of 2022, do you? It'd be a lot better than modern douchebags like Gates, Bezos, Zuckerberg or Chapek.
I was actually discussing with some friends recently the topic of Walt Disney and we all agreed that his experiences in WW1 would have really shaped him, though he was only an ambulance diver and not in the thick of combat, he would have still seen some fucked up shit and maybe felt like mankind's civilization was getting off the rails and needed good role models to follow so we wouldn't create the Hell of the No Man's Land again, JRR Tolkien is a similar figure though he was in the thick of trench warfare and arrived at the opposite conclusion, Walt was a futurist, Tolkien was all about about returning to an idyllic past and a general "back to nature" mindset, Tolkien reportedly hated Disney.
But like Disney, Tolkien was singular talent who was downright spooky, almost supernatural, it's like the guy really somehow visited fucking Middle Earth and was simply telling us what he found, there and back again indeed.
I know this was a long and weird one but this is some stuff I've had on the brain for a while recently, hopefully you all find it interesting.
"I chose the impossible" indeed.
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could've saved yourself 2 hours of nu-disney shit by just showing her the first one. or even the trailer:
still one of the most famous and liked mickey versions tho.
to be fair they were pretty on the nose about it, don't forget 2016 was hot on the heels of europe's "immigration crisis" so it was on everyone's mind. low-key dunking on the whole MUH POOR IMMIGRANT ROCKET SCIENTISTS!!! wasn't anything new or even conservative (you even hard lefties question how that should work and there are better ways to handle it than just opening the border for everyone). still pretty ballsy tho.
>Incredibles 2
>Toy Story 4
>Onward
>Soul
>Luca
>Turning Red
yeah, ok
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Cruise is a guy that gets it, for all his faults and all the shit we gave him in the 2000s, one of the aspects of the 00s I hate, Cruise is a guy that gets it.
Bruckheimer is a guy that gets it, Simpson was a guy that got it, Maverick is an awesome movie that gets it.
"Cruise... is in control"
Cruise is in the same age group as my father, so is Nicolas Cage, so is Michael Bay, everything would make more sense if you knew what it was like to have a father within that age group.
Bruckheimer is a guy that gets it, Simpson was a guy that got it, Maverick is an awesome movie that gets it.
"Cruise... is in control"
Cruise is in the same age group as my father, so is Nicolas Cage, so is Michael Bay, everything would make more sense if you knew what it was like to have a father within that age group.
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@Dom Cruise Prometheus had been eventually freed by Heracles during his trials labors.
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Not saying any of those are masterpieces, but if you think Brave and The Good Dinosaur are better than any of those movies, you’ve probably let the culture war melt your brain
Edit: Furthermore, all of those movies were green lighted by Lasseter (as was Lightyear), so if you truly think all of those movies are worse than Brave and The Good Dinosaur, it’s just further proof that Lasseter was losing his touch. For what it’s worth, I’m really hoping the stuff that comes out of Skydance is good, particularly Ray Gunn and whatever Rich Moore comes up with
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Yeah I think it helps is those guys are around the same age as my dad and he loves those guys. I believe it's something about that age group.
@ZMOT fair point. I won't lie. I mean there is only one movie before the new one compare to something like Star Wars.
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@Dom Cruise
He should have decided humanity was too sick to survive and built a big funky summoning building in New York.
Edit: actually
Maybe he just built it in Orlando instead.
He should have decided humanity was too sick to survive and built a big funky summoning building in New York.
Edit: actually
Maybe he just built it in Orlando instead.
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@Dom Cruise
And people say you're obsessed with the early 2000s. See, you can sperg out about other eras! In all seriousness I agree with you. We do not have many "men of passion" today and the world suffers for it. There's not a lot of men to admire. Well actually it's not that we're lacking such men. They're just locked behind computer keyboards going clickety-clack instead of pursuing their dreams. Although we do still lack the overall spirit because even online people make fun of posts like yours as if you're stating some sort of out-there ideas. Like wow, an admiration for "better times", lock this guy up.
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Outside animation what was the last new movie Disney was able to make that wasn't based on something they have already done which was a either hit at the box office or criticality? Hell if you discount movies based on rides not sure what the last original movie Disney themselves made was.
Has Disney+ even had one show people have watched that isn't a spin off to some other shit?
Has Disney+ even had one show people have watched that isn't a spin off to some other shit?
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1) I really think even now it can't be understated how much Frozen saved Disney. Maybe that's a simplicity, or I could just be wrong, but that's when it really felt like Disney became DISNEY again.
2) Tom Cruise really is "the Last Action Hero" to steal an Arnold reference. I don't think either The Rock or Chris Pratt are even close to his level, and after them there's really nothing.
2) Tom Cruise really is "the Last Action Hero" to steal an Arnold reference. I don't think either The Rock or Chris Pratt are even close to his level, and after them there's really nothing.
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Happy 20th anniversary to the most charmingly unique and offbeat film in the Disney animated canon. One of the two most influential animated films in my life and one I will cherish forever, in spite of whatever horrors the live-action remake has in store for it. The budget may have been comparatively little, it may not be the most technically accomplished Disney movie, it may not be the most approachable to anyone used to "conventional" Disney, but it's still good.
Yeah. Still good.
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I give a rat's ass what lasseter did or didn't do or how much he "was losing touch". I can rewatch brave any day, because for all it's faults it's still an ok disney princess movie. the good dinosaur is simply inoffensive and forgettable, most people don't even remember it exists (just like half the movies on that list). otoh toy story 4 alone is gonna piss people off, not to mention how fucking pointless that move was solely cashing in on memberberries and BRAND.
gonna wait and see what happens with skydance, but I don't really expect anything out of hollywood anymore (or at least not good things).
to be fair, that's an actual rocket scientist.
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You're not concerned Disney's hiding something about Ludwig von Drake? What do you think he was doing during the war?
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Its as if this art was made by aliens or reclusive weirdos who have never seen the light of day, much less the 90s. There's nothing 90s nostalgic about this movie or anything that even feels like its from the era, like at all. And all this drawing does is make Andy look like a fucking weirdo or even a lolcow. Kid looks like he's over 12 or 13 sitting alone in the theater surrounded by toys in the most uncomfortable position imaginable. Even his mother isn't there which just makes this scene weirder. The original movies just made Andy look like a regular kid who liked to play with toys, but here it seems that they're his only source of companionship. Its like if in the first movie Andy had brought his toys downstairs to celebrate his birthday alone with him instead of having friends over... but come to think of it I think they actually had him do that in the awkward flashbacks from Toy Story 3. I guess it fits with the kind of message they want to send. Never grow up, never move on, buy and love kid stuff forever, worship company that makes kid stuff forever.
Weirdos and assholes working at Disney might be pedos? Imagine my shock.
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Turns out he was the inspiration for Franz Pokler from Gravity’s Rainbow