Supreme Court Watch

[Michael Janke]

I wouldn't expect national reciprocity, I think even if every state was to be shall issue they could put some shooting qualification requirements or such, basically something objective as opposed to their extremely subjective current requirement of "tell us why you need a gun and every reason besides being rich and politically connected doesn't count"

As for Roe V. Wade decision, I'm guessing Friday. That way they can drop it and then book it to one of those government bunkers before the pussy hat crowd gets 'em and says that it's totally different from January 6th cause abortion good.

when it comes to gun reciprocaty. i do expect the more conservative and moderate states to just immediately approve it. so a ccw in texas would basically be valid in all those states. the east coast, california and hawaii probably not. they'd probably declare anywhere that's not private property a gun free zone. to get around the federal shall issue ruling.

 

[Puff]

when it comes to gun reciprocaty. i do expect the more conservative and moderate states to just immediately approve it. so a ccw in texas would basically be valid in all those states. the east coast, california and hawaii probably not. they'd probably declare anywhere that's not private property a gun free zone. to get around the federal shall issue ruling.

Most states already have reciprocity. It's just not required federally. My permit is good in something like 38 states.

 

[DumbDude42]

they'd probably declare anywhere that's not private property a gun free zone

that sounds borderline unconstitutional in and of itself

 

[Michael Janke]

that sounds borderline unconstitutional in and of itself

they'll do it anyway, some of those states are already making a lot more places, gun free zones.
then they'll hem and haw when the supreme court undoes that as well.
whci is bad because then the supreme court has to decide what is and isn't a gun free zone.
if they went by text, history and tradition. the only place that is a gun free zone is basically federal buidling and military bases.

 

[Drunk and Pour]

Saw this in Seattle on my lunch break.

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This shit is why I hope they over turn Roe. If you're going to advertise that you're going to be uncivilized savages, I don't want anything to do with your side. And your riots do not affect me at all, so keep it up. And you're demanding "Abortion on demand and without apology". Fuck off you ghouls. If you no longer think abortion is a necessary evil, and actually something to be proud of, you lost me.

 

[AncientPhosphur]

Most states already have reciprocity. It's just not required federally. My permit is good in something like 38 states.

I’ve got multiple. Illinois, Utah, and Florida. It would be sure nice if I didn’t need to waste money and the GOP passed national reciprocity when they had the house and senate but no.

 

[MrJokerRager]

Lots of butthurt in response to Bruen.

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

I am trying to get through Bruen and ascertain what it will actually mean for NYC residents, I am guessing authorities there will recalibrate with more bullshit restrictions, thousands of dollars in applications. Ie, the victory in Bruen is transitory....

I will note in oral arguments that one of the justices asked if someone simply stated they live in a high crime area, work at night amd want to defend themselves, that the NYAG responded no because they don't have a specific threat. Sounds like they can still put people through the rigamarole, just cant deny licenses because an applicant cannot show a specific person who wants to harm him.

EDIT: I have read much of the decision, skipping past discussions on the history citizenry bearing arms in post meideival England, the Reconstruction Era, Western settlements etc.

The only thing this opinion does is strike down New York's "special need" requirement to obtain a pistol license, as it is also strikes down discretionary powers for an official to decline an application not based on objective criteria. Know New York officals will concoct a licensing regime just as onerous, with hundreds if not thousands of dollars in fees, etc.

 

[Puff]

I am trying to get through Bruen and ascertain what it will actually mean for NYC residents, I am guessing authorities there will recalibrate with more bullshit restrictions, thousands of dollars in applications. Ie, the victory in Bruen is transitory....

I will note in oral arguments that one of the justices asked if someone simply stated they live in a high crime area, work at night amd want to defend themselves, that the NYAG responded no because they don't have a specific threat. Sounds like they can still put people through the rigamarole, just cant deny licenses because an applicant cannot show a specific person who wants to harm him.

EDIT: I have read much of the decision, skipping past discussions on the history citizenry bearing arms in post meideival England, the Reconstruction Era, Western settlements etc.

The only thing this opinion does is strike down New York's "special need" requirement to obtain a pistol license, as it is also strikes down discretionary powers for an official to decline an application not based on objective criteria. Know New York officals will concoct a licensing regime just as onerous, with hundreds if not thousands of dollars in fees, etc.

Yeah, and we get to do this all again. They could strike down all at once, but it's more proper for them to address each case brought to them individually. There is some amount of preemption on high fees for carrying, but what is "high"?

 

[Michael Janke]

I am trying to get through Bruen and ascertain what it will actually mean for NYC residents, I am guessing authorities there will recalibrate with more bullshit restrictions, thousands of dollars in applications. Ie, the victory in Bruen is transitory....

get ready for a floodgate of lawsuits against new jersey, new york, hawaii and maryland for unconstitutional gun restrictions related to may issue gun schemes within a few hours.
no way do you take something to the supreme court and then not have these things pre-written to file already.

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

get ready for a floodgate of lawsuits against new jersey, new york, hawaii and maryland for unconstitutional gun restrictions related to may issue gun schemes within a few hours.
no way do you take something to the supreme court and then not have these things pre-written to file already

May issue laws were declared unconstitutional per se. So are special need requirements under New York. The real issue will be licensing fees that cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars, processes that take weeks, months years. You know that shit is comign down the pike. It is specifically addressed in a footnote, but these states will devise such measures and make citizens go through the tortuous process.
Meanwhile, places like New York, Chicago, etc are reaching new levels of dystopic hellscapes....

 

[Hippopatumus]

Funny how you are more likely to be shot by a criminal in may-issue states than in shall-issue states

 

[AncientPhosphur]

May issue laws were declared unconstitutional per se. So are special need requirements under New York. The real issue will be licensing fees that cost hundreds if not thousands of dollars, processes that take weeks, months years. You know that shit is comign down the pike. It is specifically addressed in a footnote, but these states will devise such measures and make citizens go through the tortuous process.
Meanwhile, places like New York, Chicago, etc are reaching new levels of dystopic hellscapes....

Chicago is in a shall issue state.

It’s like $150 for the license, 16 hours of classes, marksmanship requirement, and I can’t remember if the absolutely made fingerprinting a requirement or not recently. I think I waited 90 days and renewal was suspended throughout the entire emergency pandemic orders. You have to have a FOID first. Biggest issue is getting the cards out to people at the moment.

 

[AnOminous]

I am trying to get through Bruen and ascertain what it will actually mean for NYC residents, I am guessing authorities there will recalibrate with more bullshit restrictions, thousands of dollars in applications. Ie, the victory in Bruen is transitory....

I'd recommend anyone actually interested in this development read both the Heller decision and the McDonald decision imposing Heller on the states (Heller was in D.C. with the typical constitutional weirdness that involves).

Also, Eugene Volokh is the legal scholar most likely to have a good take on this. Whenever he gets into this in depth it should be very informative. (Note that the Heller decision was practically cribbed from Volokh.)

 

[DumbDude42]

Funny how you are more likely to be shot by a criminal in may-issue states than in shall-issue states

but in shall issue states the criminal is much more likely to be shot by you
that is what makes the left so mad about it

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

Chicago is in a shall issue state.

Not any more

It’s like $150 for the license, 16 hours of classes, marksmanship requirement, and I can’t remember if the absolutely made fingerprinting a requirement or not recently. I think I waited 90 days and renewal was suspended throughout the entire emergency pandemic orders. You have to have a FOID first. Biggest issue is getting the cards out to people at the moment.

A marksmanship requirement alone can easily be manipulated to make licensing incredibly stringent. I wish SCOTUS would just save years, decades of time and just GTFO all the bullshit.
It is great the decision came down this way and liberals on twitter are losing their shit (almost none of them have even read the decision, let alone are capable of understanding. But if you live in NYC do you really think you can acquire a pistol now? Theoretically yes. Practically, no.

 

[AnOminous]

A marksmanship requirement alone can easily be manipulated to make licensing incredibly stringent. I wish SCOTUS would just save years, decades of time and just GTFO all the bullshit.

I wouldn't consider a driver's license requirement that you be able to parallel park particularly opprobrious, nor a requirement that if you want to shoot a gun, being able to actually hit something.

I agree that like poll taxes and other shit, that this could be turned into a disguised way of simply denying a license, but that doesn't mean there shouldn't be minimal competency requirements for some things, like driving.

That said I don't think the government should be in charge, at all, ever, over what people have in their homes for self-defense. There should be some regulation of public behavior, such as concealed carry, but SCOTUS doesn't work that way. Shall-issue is a good standard.

 

[Null]

CT giving me hope for a future in America with people living separate and equal and well armed.



Just in time for July 4th too!

 

[Meat Target]

There should be some regulation of public behavior, such as concealed carry, but SCOTUS doesn't work that way. Shall-issue is a good standard.

It may come as a surprise, but I have mixed feelings about permitless carry (I live in such a state).

If you don't know the laws and what you're doing, you could end up on trial like Kyle Rittenhouse, and you might not be as lucky as him.

My CC instructor gave me stark, sobering self-defense advice: if you're gonna carry a gun in public, you need to "make a list of people you are willing to go to prison for".

 

[Michael Janke]

It may come as a surprise, but I have mixed feelings about permitless carry (I live in such a state).

If you don't know the laws and what you're doing, you could end up on trial like Kyle Rittenhouse, and you might not be as lucky as him.

My CC instructor gave me stark, sobering self-defense advice: if you're gonna carry a gun in public, you need to "make a list of people you are willing to go to prison for".

technically, permitless carry of rifles but not handguns screwed him over.
because then he could have conceal carried and he likely wouldn't have attracted attention the way he did.