Prison Letters (6/04/22) - New Chris Jail Letter - Chris Explains Soul Bonding and the Goddess Logs

[oramge cat]

He's receiving the maximum sentence for *the court he's in*. They could have sent him to Circuit Court instead where he could receive 10 years in prison for the same charge. And until he's convicted, they still can, even though they probably won't.

I'm of the opinion that what happened is probably more consensual than we'd like to think it was and this is a large part of why he won't be charged with the felony. (and why he hasn't been charged with rape). I mean Barb is a sick person and Chris is a retard and they've both been confirmed to be horny idiots.

its kinda halfway between the two, he's spent a year in jail away from all his creature comforts but he's still getting his delusions reinforced by enablers. He's probably going to get suspended sentence with time served when he deserves to go away for far longer in real hard time. I'm of a mind that the courts want to go all in and truly punish Chris but can't thanks to as its been said before in this thread. "Chris is more trouble than he's worth.

I'm almost positive the outcome of this case is Chris released with a conviction and time served come his next hearing and then just going home. Frankly, a year in jail is probably punishment enough because the only punishment that would permanently modify Chris's behavior would violate the 8th amendment.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

I'm of the opinion that what happened is probably more consensual than we'd like to think it was and this is a large part of why he won't be charged with the felony. (and why he hasn't been charged with rape). I mean Barb is a sick person and Chris is a retard and they've both been confirmed to be horny idiots.

Doesn't matter. The incest statute is not dependent on consent. The doubt about consent probably has a lot to do with how he isn't charged with rape. Rape has a penalty of five years to life.

Consensual incest between adults, as a felony, is punishable by one to ten years.

The fact that it's being prosecuted in a court that can't do felonies probably has more to do with the fact that Chris is a retard troon, and because they don't want to go to a big public jury trial.

I'm almost positive the outcome of this case is Chris released with a conviction and time served come his next hearing and then just going home. Frankly, a year in jail is probably punishment enough because the only punishment that would permanently modify Chris's behavior would violate the 8th amendment.

Yeah pretty much the only way to get Chris to actually change would involve violently beating him anytime he did anything wrong.

 

[A-№1]

Chris isn’t being treated with kid gloves, he’s receiving the harshest punishment legally allowed for what he did.

No.

He's receiving the longest jail sentence allowed for what he's being charged with. Not for what he did. And Chris did that to himself.

The prosecution could be charging him with a whole lot more than they are. Limiting the charges to a single misdemeanor is kid gloves.

if you have 2 brain cells to rub together

But does Chris?

this is a large part of why he won't be charged with the felony

I believe he was moved to J&DR court to keep proceedings closed and private and not have weens clogging up the circuit court. Since J&DR court cannot prosecute felonies, they're limiting themselves to the misdemeanor charge. They're not doing this for Chris' sake, but because he's more trouble than he's worth.

the only punishment that would permanently modify Chris's behavior would violate the 8th amendment.

Letting him starve through his own incompetence doesn't violate the 8th.


Edit:

Yeah pretty much the only way to get Chris to actually change would involve violently beating him anytime he did anything wrong.

He would just assume whoever is beating him is a big meanie. As soon as he thinks he won't be beaten, he will go back to his old ways.

Hunger, on the other hand, will teach him. Or kill him if he doesn't learn. Win-win.

 

[oramge cat]

No.

He's receiving the longest jail sentence allowed for what he's being charged with. Not for what he did. And Chris did that to himself.

The prosecution could be charging him with a whole lot more than they are. Limiting the charges to a single misdemeanor is kid gloves.



But does Chris?




I believe he was moved to J&DR court to keep proceedings closed and private and not have weens clogging up the circuit court. Since J&DR court cannot prosecute felonies, they're limiting themselves to the misdemeanor charge. They're not doing this for Chris' sake, but because he's more trouble than he's worth.



Letting him starve through his own incompetence doesn't violate the 8th.


Edit:


He would just assume whoever is beating him is a big meanie. As soon as he thinks he won't be beaten, he will go back to his old ways.

Hunger, on the other hand, will teach him. Or kill him if he doesn't learn. Win-win.

Limiting the charges to a single misdemeanor probably has more to do with it being the only charge that they can make stick in a court of law and less to do with them wanting to treat Chris with kid gloves. If the prosecution thought they could make harsher charges stick they'd purusue them which makes me believe that Barb either consented or she retroactively "consented" when she realized her live-in caretaker was going to the slammer and cum eggs are better than no eggs.

Doesn't matter. The incest statute is not dependent on consent. The doubt about consent probably has a lot to do with how he isn't charged with rape. Rape has a penalty of five years to life.

Consensual incest between adults, as a felony, is punishable by one to ten years.

The fact that it's being prosecuted in a court that can't do felonies probably has more to do with the fact that Chris is a retard troon, and because they don't want to go to a big public jury trial.



Yeah pretty much the only way to get Chris to actually change would involve violently beating him anytime he did anything wrong.

Son of a goddamn bitch I had a question about the case specifically for you and as I go to type up my stupid little reply I forget it completely. It was relevant to the current conversation too. If I remember my dumb little question I'll edit it in and PM you.

 

[A Grey Cat]

I believe he was moved to J&DR court to keep proceedings closed and private and not have weens clogging up the circuit court. Since J&DR court cannot prosecute felonies, they're limiting themselves to the misdemeanor charge. They're not doing this for Chris' sake, but because he's more trouble than he's worth.

this.,...this is why weens are a nuisance. If it wasn't for the fact that if Chris's case was out and open to all to see there would lead to gunt screaming "killstream baby!" outside the courthouse and turning downtown Charlottesville into Tard fest 2022 the courts would have moved him into big boy court a year ago already. In just over a month it'll be shit or get off the pot time, They'll either have to upgrade his charges to a felony and move him to circuit court with all the undue attention it'll attract or quietly release him and possibly put back on the therapeutic docket, possibly with probation and mandatory sexual rehab and no contact orders with Barb in place.

This is why he's called the "Teflon tard." his army of orbiters big and small coupled with living in a hicksville that for the last 20 years has had to deal with him and all the bullshit he brings to a small once quiet community. Has made it so Greene county can't effectively punish him without turning the place into a madhouse, and not the kind Chris belongs in either.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Limiting the charges to a single misdemeanor probably has more to do with it being the only charge that they can make stick in a court of law and less to do with them wanting to treat Chris with kid gloves. If the prosecution thought they could make harsher charges stick they'd purusue them which makes me believe that Barb either consented or she retroactively "consented" when she realized her live-in caretaker was going to the slammer and cum eggs are better than no eggs.

Lemme explain again. The incest charge that's a misdemeanor is the exact same charge if it's a felony. It requires the same evidence as a felony. It is *literally the same piece of text*. The choice of different punishment is simply a decision made by the prosecution, the court, or the jury (if there were a jury, which there isn't in this case).

Now in terms of how *hard* they work for a conviction, it's easier to get the defense to accept a plea deal for a misdemeanor, which could be one of the reasons they are going easy on Chris.

But whether it's a misdemeanor or a felony is not about consent, or evidence, etc. -- it's the same law, just punished differently. That's what a wobbler is. You caught the kid in the cookie jar and you have the choice of giving him time out or spanking him.

Son of a goddamn bitch I had a question about the case specifically for you and as I go to type up my stupid little reply I forget it completely. It was relevant to the current conversation too. If I remember my dumb little question I'll edit it in and PM you.

Feel free to ask when you remember.

 

[A-№1]

Limiting the charges to a single misdemeanor probably has more to do with it being the only charge that they can make stick in a court of law and less to do with them wanting to treat Chris with kid gloves

If they can make it stick as a misdemeanor, they can make it stick as a felony.

It's possible they're not charging him with anything more than incest because it's the only charge on offer they can wobble down to a misdemeanor. I don't know if there even is such a thing as misdemeanor rape, but I doubt it. Pointless Sperg probably knows.

If it wasn't for the fact that if Chris's case was out and open to all to see there would lead to gunt screaming "killstream baby!" outside the courthouse and turning downtown Charlottesville into Tard fest 2022 the courts would have moved him into big boy court a year ago already.

This.

Weens are why we can't have nice things.

Greene county can't effectively punish him

The harshest punishment Greene County could impose on Chris would be letting him go scot free and leaving his to his own devices. The court is being unbelievably kind and patient with Chris, even if Chris (and others) can't see it that way.

The incest charge that's a misdemeanor is the exact same charge if it's a felony.

Since you're already here, I'll ask: Is there such a thing as "misdemeanor rape" or "misdemeanor sexual assault" or whatever the hell you want to call it?

I'd look it up myself, but it's easier to just ask you and let you do the homework (I am a lazy hobo).

Now in terms of how *hard* they work for a conviction, it's easier to get the defense to accept a plea deal for a misdemeanor, which could be one of the reasons they are going easy on Chris.

A conviction in this case is the easy option: Chris is guilty as hell, and if he goes to trial it will take the judge all of three seconds to conclude that. Instead the court has been going out of its way for nearly a year to try to get Chris to take a plea deal. Chris, of course, has chosen to be… difficult.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

If they can make it stick as a misdemeanor, they can make it stick as a felony.

It's possible they're not charging him with anything more than incest because it's the only charge on offer they can wobble down to a misdemeanor. I don't know if there even is such a thing as misdemeanor rape, but I doubt it. Pointless Sperg probably knows.

Rape is always a felony pretty much everywhere, including Virginia. In Virginia it is punished particularly harshly, with a minimum of 5 years, up to life. It's pretty much a life-ruining conviction so plea deals often involve dropping rape entirely and pleading guilty to lesser charges. In that sense "misdemeanor rape" would be replacing the charge entirely.

The only other mercy they can give for a rape conviction is a suspended sentence, or one free pass with counseling if it's marital rape.

The other wobbler charge they could use against Chris is the "Crimes Against Nature" charge, which is the last remnant of the old sodomy statute, that still covers incest and bestiality. That charge is slightly harsher than the "Persons Forbidden to Marry" charge in terms of SOR status after multiple convictions, but the punishment is the same.

Since you're already here, I'll ask: Is there such a thing as "misdemeanor rape" or "misdemeanor sexual assault" or whatever the hell you want to call it?

Technically "criminal sexual assault" in Virginia isn't a specific charge, but an entire article in crimes against the person. This includes things like rape, forcible sodomy, statutory rape, aggravated sexual battery, etc.

Some of these things are misdemeanors or can be prosecuted as misdemeanors.

For instance, statutory rape of a 13 or 14 year old is a Class 6 felony and thus can be prosecuted as a misdemeanor (sex with a 15-17 year old in Virginia is technically not statutory rape and just a crime against public morals, and is always a misdemeanor unless in a supervisory role).

Sexual Battery by itself is always a misdemeanor, unless there are enhancements, which make it Aggravated Sexual Battery, which is always a felony. Once such enhancement is if the perpetrator claimed they were "healing" the victim.

 

[CSA]

Yeah pretty much the only way to get Chris to actually change would involve violently beating him anytime he did anything wrong.

That really depends on how autistic he is.
again needing to see if he’s had any sort of official diagnosis and what it was. It could ramp things up.

 

[Optimus Prime]

That really depends on how autistic he is.
again needing to see if he’s had any sort of official diagnosis and what it was. It could ramp things up.

The only time Chris was ever officially diagnosed with Autism was back in the 80s when he was a small boy and Chris has ridden that Autism card his entire life. The actual papers to date have never been seen by Kiwi eyes and I don't think it's impossible they no longer exist or at the very least remain in possession of the Chandlers.

There was the psych evals done back in his college days and then again following the macing incidents but they didn't really do anything except state the blatantly obvious (I.E. "he is lonely and seeks companionship").

The prison evals are the real gold but I don't think those could ever legally be released publicly.

 

[CSA]

The only time Chris was ever officially diagnosed with Autism was back in the 80s when he was a small boy and Chris has ridden that Autism card his entire life. The actual papers to date have never been seen by Kiwi eyes and I don't think it's impossible they no longer exist or at the very least remain in possession of the Chandlers.

There was the psych evals done back in his college days and then again following the macing incidents but they didn't really do anything except state the blatantly obvious (I.E. "he is lonely and seeks companionship").

The prison evals are the real gold but I don't think those could ever legally be released publicly.

definitions have significantly changed too, which complicates things even more. So even if we did it its probably not as useful as I think.

He definitely has some kind of disability, that his parents have never really have sat his ass down and said you are never going to be normal, but you need to fake it.

tbh the education system still doesn’t know what to do with people like Chris so he wouldn’t be much better off today, save for perhaps on some kind of mood stabiliser and maybe Ritalin.

lastly. not sure how the correction facility handles people like Chris, probably threw Chris to a hospital and they basically went well not much can be done, and handed him back.

 

[A-№1]

Rape is always a felony pretty much everywhere, including Virginia.

That's what I figured. So it could be they're only charging him with incest because that's the only charge they could wobble down to ease him into closed J&DR court.

I'm not so sure about the "crimes against nature" charge. I don't think anyone wants to go into that much detail with Chris' sexual exploits with Barb. It's enough to know that they fucked (therefore incest), not how they fucked (icky).

tbh the education system still doesn’t know what to do with people like Chris

Actually, they do, and also did when Chris was little.

Bob and Barb didn't let them do it.

It wasn't the school's idea to mainstream Chris.

 

[anti SJW]

I'm not so sure about the "crimes against nature" charge. I don't think anyone wants to go into that much detail with Chris' sexual exploits with Barb. It's enough to know that they fucked (therefore incest), not how they fucked (icky).

Could the crimes against nature be a part of the incest charge? Since most people think incest is very wrong, they consider it warped and so they add that.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Could the crimes against nature be a part of the incest charge? Since most people think incest is very wrong, they consider it warped and so they add that.

It's a separate law. "Crimes Against Nature" was the statute that banned "unnatural" sex acts, like oral and anal sex, and sex with animals. Now that sodomy is legal nationwide, the ban on oral and anal only applies to incest now.

"Persons Forbidden to Marry", which is what Chris is charged with, was the statute that banned interracial sex, as well as incest. This is penis-in-vagina sex -- i.e. the act itself was always legal, as opposed to sodomy, and the statute just restricted who you could do it with. After interracial marriage became legal nationwide (Loving v. Virginia), only the incest part remained.

So that's why there's two incest statutes -- because they were really sodomy and interracial sex statutes that happened to cover incest too, and now it's mostly just the incest parts that remain.

EDIT: Also, interestingly, while the interracial sex part was struck down in 1967, the sodomy bit wasn't struck down until 2013, even though SCOTUS had declared anti-sodomy laws unconstitutional in 2003.

I'm not so sure about the "crimes against nature" charge. I don't think anyone wants to go into that much detail with Chris' sexual exploits with Barb. It's enough to know that they fucked (therefore incest), not how they fucked (icky).

They cover different acts. If they only had oral/anal but NOT penis-in-vagina, then only the "Crimes Against Nature" statute would apply. If they only had penis-in-vagina, only the "Persons Forbidden to Marry" statute would apply.

If they just did "outercourse" SheCameForCWC then it's perfectly legal since neither of the incest statutes apply.

So it's impossible to charge someone with incest unless you *do* describe exactly what they did. (Not to mention, a detailed description would have to come up in evidence anyway if it went to trial.)

EDIT: Obviously "outercourse" would be illegal if Barb refused consent or was incapacitated, or if Chris were underage, but it still wouldn't count as incest. When it's consensual, however, it is completely legal in Virginia for your mom to give you a handy or for you to stick your toys from Adam and Eve into your mom.

 

[Exceptional Chimp]

When it's consensual, however, it is completely legal in Virginia for your mom to give you a handy or for you to stick your toys from Adam and Eve into your mom.

Sounds like the laws need to be reworked then, 'cause that's not an image I need. God damn...

 

[A-№1]

They cover different acts. If they only had oral/anal but NOT penis-in-vagina, then only the "Crimes Against Nature" statute would apply. If they only had penis-in-vagina, only the "Persons Forbidden to Marry" statute would apply.

Again: Nobody wants to go into that much detail about Chris' sexual exploits with Barb.

So it's impossible to charge someone with incest unless you *do* describe exactly what they did.

Not quite. You do have to describe what they did, but not absolutely everything that they did. Proving penis in vagina intercourse is sufficient for getting Chris on incest. After that you don't really have to describe anywhere else Chris shoved his bent duck into Barb unless you really are going to charge him with unnatural acts.

I believe the court is not pursuing (and won't) the unnatural acts charge for three reasons. First because it's more difficult to prove than simple intercourse. Secondly because most of the aspects of the law have been overturned anyways. And finally, nobody wants to think about what other horrible things Chris might have done with Barb beyond bent duck in china. I don't even want to think about that.

 

[Manticucc]

Did someone say Goddess LOGS?

 

[Manticucc]

The other wobbler charge they could use against Chris is the "Crimes Against Nature" charge, which is the last remnant of the old sodomy statute, that still covers incest and bestiality.

Chris` existence is a fucking crime against nature.

 

[Hogar Grupal]

Yeah pretty much the only way to get Chris to actually change would involve violently beating him anytime he did anything wrong.

If Borb would have done that when Chris was either getting detained for loitering or soliciting for sex at PVCC, it would have done a world of good, plus it could've prevented Chris from molesting Barb.

 

[A Grey Cat]

The other wobbler charge they could use against Chris is the "Crimes Against Nature" charge, which is the last remnant of the old sodomy statute

Just wait till clown world considers those laws "hateful " and pushes to get them removed too. Once those are gone the last remnants of common decency will be gone and then only full on pedohilla will be left to destigmatize.


Really Chris is seen as a monster now but it won't surprise me if things continue going the way they are now, if he's vindicated by history as an old man in the future. One that will remember him as a someone who was just "a victim of a society that wasn't ready to fully embrace her and her lifestyle."