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Azchan said:
Gonna call bullshit on this. While they said that they don't care about the talent's "personal lives" you can bet that if they feel that if any aspect of that somehow might affect their character's reputation in a negative aspect they will step in and take corrective action.
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There's no corrective action to take when there's nothing to correct, though.

Kson and Kanata are best friends. Gossiping about potential NDA stuff is equally as likely to occur over a Big Mac as it is in the apartment. If they consciously want to discuss company stuff to each other then their living situation is immaterial.

For the last year they have coexisted in what I presume is the same building and there has been absolutely no issue with surprise collabs or voices bleeding through the mic etc.

I just can't reasonably imagine a scenario in which Cover is suddenly concerned about this UNLESS their concern is that Kanata may be inclined to follow Kson and they want to offer her a nice new package to keep her on, but even that's a stretch.
 
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Avokado said:
Found this on reddit, I'll just dump it here.
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Speaking of ID, what the fuck ever happened to Hanna Macchia? I remember watching her way back when, and I remember her doing pretty well, but I recently I got a stream of hers in my recommended and she had like 300ccv. Ended up looking into other stats, and she's doing worse than half of Phase Connect by all metrics except subs and VOD views.
 
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Gondola Enjoyer said:
Speaking of ID, what the fuck ever happened to Hanna Macchia? I remember watching her way back when, and I remember her doing pretty well, but I recently I got a stream of hers in my recommended and she had like 300ccv. Ended up looking into other stats, and she's doing worse than half of Phase Connect by all metrics except subs and VOD views.
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As she herself says, she purposefully debuffs herself to keep her small comfy community, however merging into main branch you can tell they're kinda forcing her to do more.
White Stone said:
This is one of the points brought up by Himono (Kson's rigger) when asked about why the live2d quality of agency vtubers are lagging behind indies.

Another good point she brought up was big agency having the need to maintain uniformity on the quality of their models. Remember when people shit on Cover for Gura's and Anya's poor rigging? Imagine that happening, but tenfold. This is also probably why Nijisanji stick with in-house riggers, probably much easier to maintain quality consistency.
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Yep pretty much.
 
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Gondola Enjoyer said:
Speaking of ID, what the fuck ever happened to Hanna Macchia? I remember watching her way back when, and I remember her doing pretty well, but I recently I got a stream of hers in my recommended and she had like 300ccv. Ended up looking into other stats, and she's doing worse than half of Phase Connect by all metrics except subs and VOD views.
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Same bandwagon curse as Ollie, Miori Celesta, Mikado Ch etc. where people sub because something of theirs went viral and then don't stick around.

In Hana's case, she was lauded by Koefficient as 'The funniest V-Tuber ever' for a while and had SodaFunk exclusively clip her stuff. SodaFunk subsequently became a Rushia clipper and Koefficient became such a Holobrony that his Discord mods allegedly remove lots of non-Holo clips from fan recommendation channels for his videos: which is why most of his YLYL challenges are just 'spam Sakura Miko'.

Hana also actively debuffs herself, but I think it's only a matter of time before she starts interacting with EN more commonly and picks up steam again.
 
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Gondola Enjoyer said:
Speaking of ID, what the fuck ever happened to Hanna Macchia? I remember watching her way back when, and I remember her doing pretty well, but I recently I got a stream of hers in my recommended and she had like 300ccv. Ended up looking into other stats, and she's doing worse than half of Phase Connect by all metrics except subs and VOD views.
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Bad case of impostor syndrome me thinks. Actually watched her back when the pickings for EN vtubers was relatively slim and got recommended her doom playthrough. Her dad (or boyfriend if you wanna believe rrats) is pretty cool too. She was never really someone who wanted to standout though which was a problem. A common topic that gets brought up in /warkop/ or whatever that ID vtuber split is in 4chan that discusses ID vtubers exclusively is how her failure to capitalize on her fame might have contributed to the demise of the Niji ID branch. I personally wouldn't blame the girl though since there was a lot more issues that caused the branch to get merged.
 
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Wnrite said:
Phase makes the talents pay up front? Or do you mean the company itself? Also it's good to remember that bulk deals and connections like Phase would get from producing merch for all of their talents at once or Hololive having constant production of something in the background, you're paying a bit more when you're buying smaller and on your own.
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I don't know how PC splits costs and revenue when it comes to merch but what I mean is that once you grow enough, the risk of making too much merch and not being able to sell it is minimal granted you are not retarded and end up making 20,000 keychains (since you will only probably end up selling 2k of those). Pretty sure there are math equations out there to figure out how much merch you can commission based on your fanbase size.

Trashtaste did an episode with ShindoL where they talked about his first Comiket and that he printed way more books than he sold but it was mostly because the difference between printing 100 and 10000 was not really that much so he just went with the higher number.

Scuttle said:
There's no corrective action to take when there's nothing to correct, though.

Kson and Kanata are best friends. Gossiping about potential NDA stuff is equally as likely to occur over a Big Mac as it is in the apartment. If they consciously want to discuss company stuff to each other then their living situation is immaterial.

For the last year they have coexisted in what I presume is the same building and there has been absolutely no issue with surprise collabs or voices bleeding through the mic etc.

I just can't reasonably imagine a scenario in which Cover is suddenly concerned about this UNLESS their concern is that Kanata may be inclined to follow Kson and they want to offer her a nice new package to keep her on, but even that's a stretch.
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You would be amazed at how paranoid executives get when it comes to this shit especially when now the person is a direct competitor. They have coexisted for the last year but she was an indie and presented little to no threat to Cover. Now with a big foreign corpo trying to bite into the market she becomes a direct competitor.

Scuttle said:
Same bandwagon curse as Ollie, Miori Celesta, Mikado Ch etc. where people sub because something of theirs went viral and then don't stick around.

In Hana's case, she was lauded by Koefficient as 'The funniest V-Tuber ever' for a while and had SodaFunk exclusively clip her stuff. SodaFunk subsequently became a Rushia clipper and Koefficient became such a Holobrony that his Discord mods allegedly remove lots of non-Holo clips from fan recommendation channels for his videos: which is why most of his YLYL challenges are just 'spam Sakura Miko'.

Hana also actively debuffs herself, but I think it's only a matter of time before she starts interacting with EN more commonly and picks up steam again.
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Its easy to sub to someone. Way harder to stick around and even watch when the market is so saturated. Also timezones don't help.

As for Koe's YLYL challenges, people spam Miko because its usually what leads to him laughing. I participated on the last one and his discord was locked and only opened up to accept submissions. Once he picked the first 20 or so he deleted the channel. I try to get Tenma or Pippa clips whenever he does it.
 
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Undercover Commissioner said:
Does it really tho? How seiso are matsuri or marine? I am unsure who said , it but I am pretty sure the reason many of the lewder things are verboten by cover because youtube wont let them monitize it. Or do you mean by seiso-ness the no men allowed policy? How does that hold back the talent or their content? (Infact it just forces them to have good opsec).
Despite the fact that most talents are not really "seiso", Hololive being considered seiso is a selling point.

Its the opposite actually. (the clip is both mio and subaru).
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Maybe "seiso" isn't exactly what I was looking for, and I'll admit there's some kind of spectrum of seisoness even inside hololive (i.e. sora > gura > matsuri).
But check other companies like PC, which is the one I'm most involved with. They walk a fine line between "seiso" and poopoo peepee all the time, not really staying on either side for too long. Now imagine talents like Gura or Watson without the JP limiters BUT with the backing of a corporation behind them.
 
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Avokado said:
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she sang the wrong song apparently

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DrStupid said:
But check other companies like PC, which is the one I'm most involved with. They walk a fine line between "seiso" and poopoo peepee all the time, not really staying on either side for too long.
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They can do that because they're small. Once they grow big enough to get big sponsorship do you honestly believe they will continue that?
 
DrStupid said:
Call me a schizo, but It reminds me too much of a politician's speech (at least like the ones I'm used to hear over here).
Too big of a promise for the kind of role and influence she has.
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Yeah, now that you mentioned it, it kinda be like that
Honestly, I still think KSon made a mistake here. Everything sounds perfect for her, she should have thought that there will be a catch somewhere down the line. Either she's too naive about it, or she's just desperate for some corpo/bts support
Diya said:
I wonder if they just want to believe it's her, or they know something from their JP side that we don't know.
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From my years studying the in and out of Idols, both Japan and Korea, the biggest paypigs tend to know insiders and leaks from them. So I'm thinking they know something
Gondola Enjoyer said:
I feel like Coco worked so well in Hololive because she could verbally flashbang any other talent at a moment's notice and create great content from that. But when her spiciest asacoco-juiced moment doesn't even register on the Vshojo Pee Pee Poo Poo Scale™, I don't think she'll be able to play off them as well. That is unless the auditions somehow weren't a scam, and she gets a bunch of JPs who aren't gigantic, shameless sluts. Which in turn would actually improve Vshojo, and the universe won't allow that.

Also Hololive and Niji aren't seiso at all, but there's a difference between being unseiso, talking about it occasionally, in somewhat tasteful ways, and going "MUH VAGINA LOL" five times a stream.
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It's no use saying arguments about this over and over again, no matter right it is. People are juat going to ignore it and went back to their usual "idols bad" takea
Avokado said:
Found this on reddit, I'll just dump it here.
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This is like the current situation in F1, the top 3 are just way ahead the others can't play catch-up and just compete with other midfield/backbenchers. Also I didn't know the gap between Maha5 and NijiID is that big. Is NijiID okay?
Gondola Enjoyer said:
Speaking of ID, what the fuck ever happened to Hanna Macchia? I remember watching her way back when, and I remember her doing pretty well, but I recently I got a stream of hers in my recommended and she had like 300ccv. Ended up looking into other stats, and she's doing worse than half of Phase Connect by all metrics except subs and VOD views.
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She suffered from the rapid success, and can't cope with the extra attention and views. That's why she decided to nerf herself, despite it also affected her entire group as a result
 
marcus_v3 said:
A common topic that gets brought up in /warkop/ or whatever that ID vtuber split is in 4chan that discusses ID vtubers exclusively is how her failure to capitalize on her fame might have contributed to the demise of the Niji ID branch.
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I mean that's ridiculous. There's 19 members in the branch so having her shoulder the blame is an absurd leap in logic.

If the fate of the branch hinged on her capitalising on success with an audience that was NOT Indonesian then maybe there were some huge faults with the projections of the branch from management. On top of that, Mika Melatika made a bigger splash on ID and EN markets than Hana did so if that's all it was they would've held out.

Not that I believe it, by the way. I think they consolidated the branches to be more appealing prior to going public. The company has made it easier for them to collab with JP and EN with absolutely no visible caveats. As a result, both former branches are overall doing better now.

Unless I see anything beyond idle ramblings I find it pretty hard to place any blame on her at all.
 
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