why men troon out

[FeatherPlucker]

Turn off the internet porn.

 

[Sumptinsfuckey]

Men don't troon out. Males troon out because they are weak, ugly, noodle-arm pathetic little bitches who can't handle being men.

 

[Little oak tree]

Men don't troon out. Males troon out because they are weak, ugly, noodle-arm pathetic little bitches who can't handle being men.

Are you male?

 

[Sumptinsfuckey]

Are you male?

No. I'm a man.

 

[Dom Cruise]

My take is that some men really covet women's ideal position as an "object of desire" that a man's worth is judged by how much success he has in obtaining, some men are jealous and want to get off the rat race to achieve the object of desire and instead want to BE that object of desire.

The feminists aren't necessarily wrong when they talk about "the male gaze" and stuff like that, in more traditional cultures male characters are often presented as something a man should strive to be whereas a female character is presented as an object of desire, compare say Indiana Jones to Lara Croft, Indy's body is never as empathized as Lara's breasts are, Indy's presented as a character you want to be, Lara is someone who you want to be with, but for some guys the wires get crossed and they want to be what they find sexually attractive.

In fact I think for a lot of people, male and female, gay and straight there's basically two kinds of sexuality, what turns you on is simply what turns you on or what turns you on is tied in with what you wish yourself could be.

But all that aside, to put it simply to be male is to some degree to be invisible, to be female is to naturally get more attention, if a guy wears thong swimwear most people are going to be kinda grossed out even if he has a nice body, if a girl on the other hand wears thong swimwear she's going to get a lot of appreciate glances from everyone and some men covet that status.

 

[Little oak tree]

Are you male?

No.

you are trooning out

My take is that some men really covet women's ideal position as an "object of desire" that a man's worth is judged by how much success he has in obtaining, some men are jealous and want to get off the rat race to achieve the object of desire and instead want to BE that object of desire.

The feminists aren't necessarily wrong when they talk about "the male gaze" and stuff like that, in more traditional cultures male characters are often presented as something a man should strive to be whereas a female character is presented as an object of desire, compare say Indiana Jones to Lara Croft, Indy's body is never as empathized as Lara's breasts are, Indy's presented as a character you want to be, Lara is someone who you want to be with, but for some guys the wires get crossed and they want to be what the find sexually attractive.

In fact I think for a lot of people, male and female, gay and straight there's basically two kinds of sexuality, what turns you on is simply what turns you on or what turns you on is tied in with what you wish yourself could be.

But all that aside, to put it simply to be male is to some degree to be invisible, to be female is to naturally get more attention, if a guy wears thong swimwear most people are going to be kinda grossed out even if he has a nice body, if a girl on the other hand wears thong swimwear she's going to get a lot of appreciate glances from everyone and some men covet that status.

I really like your take mate, i think its spot on but never the less males can also be actual objects of desire and survive that way.
Good looking young men are very looked for by gay men and straight women so a lot end up living lives of gigolos one way or another.
Something i've noticed is people here underestimate just the amount of men that genuinely lust for either troons or crossdressers, i can guarantee you that even the cringiest freak have people willing to fuck.
And thats the part people don't want to acknowledge sometimes, for a lot of men its way easier and safer to find a fag on craigslist than getting a hooker that would also charge.
And probably the troonin it something more unconscious, not that they want the status but its just their minds adapting to survive, like i said, slaves are always valued either male or female and many live by the mindset of every hole is a trench in war times.
Its like when they say people just agree with troons on public but laugh at them inside, thats true but another uncomfortable truth is many men would still fuck them anyways.
And i know many wont believe me about that, but i think you are just naive

 

[Dom Cruise]

you are trooning out

I really like your take mate, i think its spot on but never the less males can also be actual objects of desire and survive that way.
Good looking young men are very looked for by gay men and straight women so a lot end up living lives of gigolos one way or another.
Something i've noticed is people here underestimate just the amount of men that genuinely lust for either troons or crossdressers, i can guarantee you that even the cringiest freak have people willing to fuck.
And thats the part people don't want to acknowledge sometimes, for a lot of men its way easier and safer to find a fag on craigslist than getting a hooker that would also charge.
And probably the troonin it something more unconscious, not that they want the status but its just their minds adapting to survive, like i said, slaves are always valued either male or female and many live by the mindset of every hole is a trench in war times.
Its like when they say people just agree with troons on public but laugh at them inside, thats true but another uncomfortable truth is many men would still fuck them anyways.
And i know many wont believe me about that, but i think you are just naive

To that I would say that it's simply different when it comes to men and women, a man can be an object of desire but it's different than being a female object of desire.

A good way to put it is think of the archetype of a hero rescuing a princess, the hero has to do a lot of work, all the princess has to do is be worth saving and while she may desire the hero in turn the hero is the one that has to do all the hard work.

And some men envy that position and it's easy to see why as for starters there's a lot less work to it when you're the one up on the pedestal and especially as you point out, there are a lot of guys willing to put you up on that pedestal, if you're not a very macho man to being with, why not switch teams? At least that's the train of thought.

I should also mention that attention can be sexually exciting, I mentioned thong swimwear and the reason why women wear skimpy swimwear like that is it's a turn on to know you're going to be getting special attention, a guy can only feel that if he's in a predominantly gay space and outside of that he's not going to get the right kind of attention.

 

[Little oak tree]

To that I would say that it's simply different when it comes to men and women, a man can be an object of desire but it's different than being a female object of desire.

A good way to put it is think of the archetype of a hero rescuing a princess, the hero has to do a lot of work, all the princess has to do is be worth saving and while she may desire the hero in turn the hero is the one that has to do all the hard work.

And some men envy that position and it's easy to see why as for starters there's a lot less work to it when you're the one up on the pedestal and especially as you point out, there are a lot of guys willing to put you up on that pedestal, if you're not a very macho man to being with, why not switch teams? At least that's the train of thought.

I should also mention that attention can be sexually exciting, I mentioned thong swimwear and the reason why women wear skimpy swimwear like that is it's a turn on to know you're going to be getting special attention, a guy can only feel that if he's in a predominantly gay space and outside of that he's not going to get the right kind of attention.

Ill bring another archetype to the table, the beauty and the beast.
She has to do all the hard work, trying to be sensitive with a "wild beast" trying to make him human while getting hurt by its violence.
They usually go for vampires or werevolves or shit like that.
Many women have saviour complexes too, and the urge to bring life and be needed as well.
For a huge and with capital power part of the population young boys are even more desirable than girls, and in many scenarios boys grow up being more prey than females
Women wearing thongs in public are also shunned, there are million taboos and if something isn't taboo for you it probably is for someone else somewhere sometime.
Humans can only understand certain level of attention anyways.
Why do they want a million approval thats just as real as having one approval or no approval all just fucking delusions. Just chemicals kicking in your brain
We all need attention, we are all born foolish creatures and many were born in the dark. Its not going away

 

[Sumptinsfuckey]

It's simple really. Feminity is what you are. Masculinity is what you do. It's why F2M tranny's, if they are willing to put in the work, are generally accepted as Men. It's also why M2F trannys never will be accepted, much less accepted as women. You cant change what you are but you can change what you do.

M2F trannys are too weak to put in the work to be Men, which is why they disgust women when still male. Its also why it doesnt really matter if the go full chop-dick troon or not, because they are Darwin award winners either way.

They should still be shot on sight of course, just on general principles. Maybe by DeSantis' 2nd term. A lot can change in 10 years.

 

[AmberHeardSupporter]

It's simple really. Feminity is what you are. Masculinity is what you do. It's why F2M tranny's, if they are willing to put in the work, are generally accepted as Men. It's also why M2F trannys never will be accepted, much less accepted as women. You cant change what you are but you can change what you do.

M2F trannys are too weak to put in the work to be Men, which is why they disgust women when still male. Its also why it doesnt really matter if the go full chop-dick troon or not, because they are Darwin award winners either way.

They should still be shot on sight of course, just on general principles. Maybe by DeSantis' 2nd term. A lot can change in 10 years.

Y'know, I actually disagree with the top statement. I think femininity is what you do, and masculinity is how you're born. A huge, disgusting, fat, tall hambeast of a woman, think pixyteri, who likes stuffed animals, has a huge drive to be a mother, loves pink, makeup and lolita is still considered to be feminine despite her masculine appearance. Now, be a Ben Shapiro type, short with a high-pitched voice, leftists always attack his masculinity by pointing out these two topics despite the fact that Shapiro is a follower of traditional masculinity, he just doesn't look the part. It probably is easier to opt into femininity than masculinity

 

[A Series Of Tubes]

Yeah my bad i was on phone.

Goddess Christine Magichan

>phoneposter
murk yourself my man
With that out of the way...lack of father figure and/or sexual abuse, that's why.

 

[Sumptinsfuckey]

Y'know, I actually disagree with the top statement. I think femininity is what you do, and masculinity is how you're born. A huge, disgusting, fat, tall hambeast of a woman, think pixyteri, who likes stuffed animals, has a huge drive to be a mother, loves pink, makeup and lolita is still considered to be feminine despite her masculine appearance. Now, be a Ben Shapiro type, short with a high-pitched voice, leftists always attack his masculinity by pointing out these two topics despite the fact that Shapiro is a follower of traditional masculinity, he just doesn't look the part. It probably is easier to opt into femininity than masculinity

She is a Woman. It doesnt matter that shes fat, she still got a snatch. Say what you want about little benji, hes accomplished quite a bit. Leftists attack his masculinity because thats thier favorite play. Own a gun? Muat have a small dick. Want a chaste woman rather than a tatted up whore? You must suck in bed. Leftists always attack everyone masculinity because leftism is inherently feminie, and that is a womans go to attack against men. Being a woman has always been about what she is, being a man has always been about what he does.

 

[Dom Cruise]

Ill bring another archetype to the table, the beauty and the beast.
She has to do all the hard work, trying to be sensitive with a "wild beast" trying to make him human while getting hurt by its violence.
They usually go for vampires or werevolves or shit like that.
Many women have saviour complexes too, and the urge to bring life and be needed as well.
For a huge and with capital power part of the population young boys are even more desirable than girls, and in many scenarios boys grow up being more prey than females
Women wearing thongs in public are also shunned, there are million taboos and if something isn't taboo for you it probably is for someone else somewhere sometime.
Humans can only understand certain level of attention anyways.
Why do they want a million approval thats just as real as having one approval or no approval all just fucking delusions. Just chemicals kicking in your brain
We all need attention, we are all born foolish creatures and many were born in the dark. Its not going away

I'm focusing mainly on the dynamics in western culture, in Europe and America showing a lot of skin on the beach is more acceptable than some parts of the world, but I'm not talking about those.

That's why Indiana Jones and Lara Croft are the perfect characters to explain what I'm talking about, they're similar characters in what they do, but Lara's body is (not counting the ones from the last decade) presented as an object of lust whereas Indy, even if women dig him, is still not quite an "object of lust" in the way say Edward from Twilight or a Fabio looking dude on the cover of a romance novel.

And women can and do like characters like old school Lara Croft, but they understand as much as anyone the dynamic of them being made to appeal to male lust and I think that's a big part of the appeal, which is why female fans will often cosplay as these type of characters because they... like the kind of attention they get.

And some men simply covet that specifically female type of attention and it's no surprise why people would covet something they're told is simply impossible for them to have, because meanwhile we have the mirror image of troons which is feminists that covet male power, intelligence and gumption, but in both cases these are traits we inherent at birth and aren't able to choose, it sucks and is not fair, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles and people trying to create facsimiles is always going to create an uncanny valley effect that everyone wills always know is there no matter how much they choose to ignore it.

Not being able to accept the concept of "that's just the way the cookie crumbles" is one of the core tenets of the Woke way of thinking.

As for beauty and the beast, that may be how a lot of relationships work and start, but in many instances a guy has to "woo" a woman, hence the metaphor of "hero" and it's the woman that guys want to woo is what a guy of guys covet.

There's a special magic to female beauty that is simply unique to females and it's something some men (and a lot of women too) covet.

 

[Little oak tree]

It's simple really. Feminity is what you are. Masculinity is what you do. It's why F2M tranny's, if they are willing to put in the work, are generally accepted as Men. It's also why M2F trannys never will be accepted, much less accepted as women. You cant change what you are but you can change what you do.

M2F trannys are too weak to put in the work to be Men, which is why they disgust women when still male. Its also why it doesnt really matter if the go full chop-dick troon or not, because they are Darwin award winners either way.

They should still be shot on sight of course, just on general principles. Maybe by DeSantis' 2nd term. A lot can change in 10 years.

Still just another arbitrary judgement system in the endless sea of people that want to twist language and reality their way just to excuse some unresolved issue.
Its simpler than that. We were talking about male and female gender, not about the characteristics that we culturally associate to each one.

I'm focusing mainly on the dynamics in western culture, in Europe and America showing a lot of skin on the beach is more acceptable than some parts of the world, but I'm not talking about those.

That's why Indiana Jones and Lara Croft are the perfect characters to explain what I'm talking about, they're similar characters in what they do, but Lara's body is (not counting the ones from the last decade) presented as an object of lust whereas Indy, even if women dig him, is still not quite an "object of lust" in the way say Edward from Twilight or a Fabio looking dude on the cover of a romance novel.

And women can and do like characters like old school Lara Croft, but they understand as much as anyone the dynamic of them being made to appeal to male lust and I think that's a big part of the appeal, which is why female fans will often cosplay as these type of characters because they... like the kind of attention they get.

And some men simply covet that specifically female type of attention and it's no surprise why people would covet something they're told is simply impossible for them to have, because meanwhile we have the mirror image of troons which is feminists that covet male power, intelligence and gumption, but in both cases these are traits we inherent at birth and aren't able to choose, it sucks and is not fair, but that's just the way the cookie crumbles and people trying to create facsimiles is always going to create an uncanny valley effect that everyone wills always know is there no matter how much they choose to ignore it.

Not being able to accept the concept of "that's just the way the cookie crumbles" is one of the core tenets of the Woke way of thinking.

As for beauty and the beast, that may be how a lot of relationships work and start, but in many instances a guy has to "woo" a woman, hence the metaphor of "hero" and it's the woman that guys want to woo is what a guy of guys covet.

There's a special magic to female beauty that is simply unique to females and it's something some men (and a lot of women too) covet.

I dont remember twilight very well but Edward might as well been a pale walking dildo to the authors self insert.
Ripley from alien is a hero and her worth are her actions, just a random example.
And again, i still think you are on denial on how little a huge part of men care about femme magic when a lot are bisexual and get turned on not because they are woman but because they are not

 

[potato in mah painus]

you are trooning out

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https://www.uvu.edu/writingcenter/docs/handouts/writing-process/basicessayformat.pdf

You have no business posting shit like this when your formatting makes you look autistic. STUDY THE LINK ABOVE and post proper next time.

 

[Free_Palestine]

The feminists aren't necessarily wrong when they talk about "the male gaze" and stuff like that

They are wrong, "male gaze" is attempt to pathologize normal and healthy behavior.

The troon thing is driven by hypersexual guys that get off dressing like women and giving themselves cringe stripper names or homosexuals that think they can have an easier time attracting men by dressing up as women.

 

[Sumptinsfuckey]

Languages have gender. Animals have sexes.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

Languages have gender. Animals have sexes.

Men have penises. Women have vaginas. Non-binaries are fictional

 

[Ultrapenguin]

Part of the problem here is that there's a bunch of different reasons.

Spoiler: A compendium of tranny subtypes

-Sexually hard up autists go trans because because they think it'll be easier to find a partner and there will be less competition if they become a transbian. That's like Chris Chan.

-Conversely on the FTM side there are fujoshis. Sometimes they're just pornsick retards, other times they're victims of the feminists; consensus seems to be that some women like to imagine themselves having sexual encounters as gay men because gender relations have become so loaded that they can't comfortably embody the submissive role in intimate encounters without feeling like men don't respect them or like she's betraying other women or something, so she has to become male to bridge that distance.

-Other ones do it for more transhumanist reasons, your basic "grass is always greener" shit. They're just trying to escape themselves, and they think if they could just become something different then that would fix things and they could leave their damaged past behind. Sometimes they were molested or whatever too, and it makes them hate their body.
That's ones like pixyteri, people who are just uncomfortable and frustrated and socially isolated and fantasize about becoming someone else.

-HSTS (homosexual transexual) go trans because they want to have relationships/sexual attention from straight(er) men, and they can't come close to that without looking like a woman. Sometimes they also do it because they come from families or cultures that are extremely anti-gay to the point that they see being a tranny as better than being a homo.

-Immature narcissistic rage head types do it because once again feminism is trash and many behaviors that in men would be seen as completely unacceptable are seen as brave and inspiring in women. As such they can continue acting like infantile selfish sexually uninhibited bullies and it's ok because they're women so that makes behaving like shit ok.

-Autogynephile sorts do it because they constantly surround themselves with porn where their sexual drives become warped and slowly directed inwards.

-The worst are the outright criminals who do it in a calculated move to find easy targets or for legal advantage/to escape a record.

-Grooming victims simply became trans because they were doing it to win approval/validation from others, or because they had twisted sick shit parents who basically trooned them out by force.

* I'm not counting ones that do it in name only for attention. They don't actually act on it in any way besides swapping around some pronouns.

That about covers the magical world of trannies I think.

 

[Tacitus Kilgore]

I have no idea. If you are an ugly man, it does not mean you are a woman. You have to go find an ugly woman. If you are ugly woman, it does not mean you are a man. You have to find an ugly man.

It probably goes deeper than that. But that's my take on it.