General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

[Autistic Screech]

Does gacha art really pay that much? Just seems bizarre to me to choose that over getting paid to play video games for 9 hours a week and/or do streams chatting with friends about what kind of cake you'd like to eat.

I wouldn´t think it pays more than the top holos get, but the thing is that she is pretty high up the artist ladder and if she takes a break for a few years to be a holo, there are probably 100s of other artist ready to take her place. She is already that sucessful and there is a big chance, she would lose that with a longer break, it´s probably the same reason Ina keeps her Artjob up, even when it is slowly grinding her down.

 

[Nene's Husband]

I do think gen3 or males is coming soon, but it's more of a coincidence as it has already been almost a year since council debuted, the time just feels awfully ripe, we can only hope that they don't drop the ball this time.

 

[Rezza]

The sad thing is, more people just began to notice and watch her from a few weeks ago
But guess God has another plan for us, Kiwichama. It's sad, for sure, but what happens, happens. We just have to live with that

 

[Db2forapps]

In the end, Vtubing is still a job, and I think she kind of quit it like a good job that just didn't work out. Understandable, with her health issues and a demanding primary job as an artist.

Sure you feel sad and will miss the people, but at some point you might just have to make a cut and go "Well, that was fun, but it's time to wrap up". Even if Cover let her, Ayame-ing or leaving the Sana identity to hang with an uncertain future until she felt more able to manage it (however far in the future that might be, if ever) might not be what she would have wanted.

Still sad to see her go, I always enjoyed her even if I didn't watch that many streams, the recent IRyS and Ina colabs were great. Astrogirl is still a bop too.

 

[USS IOWA]

I think I need a break. Being invested in Anime Girls isn't good for my heart.

 

[Burnt Fish]

It sounded like she wanted to stay, too. My guess is that they could not agree on a contract.

I doubt it’s as clean cut as “Cover wanted her to stay but she chose to graduate”, but that’s probably the best explanation we’re gonna get.

Could be as simple as "Cover wanted her to stay but needed her to be more active, She wanted to stay but couldn't become more active"
Other job obligations, health, and other issues keeping her from being able to do what cover expected of her, and couldn't agree to the measures Cover offered to get her more active.
Both parties in that case "want" to stay together, but the situation just makes it not tenable so she chooses graduation.

Her statement of "I don't want to leave" and their statement seeming like they didn't want her to go don't necessarily contradict one another in that sense.

 

[Takodachi]

Surely Cover wouldnt be bold enough to announce a new gen after a graduation for a 2nd time... Right?

 

[Contracted Weeb]

Surely Cover wouldnt be bold enough to announce a new gen after a graduation for a 2nd time... Right?

The company i work at over here in Japan when ever someone gets sacked or leaves they have a company retreat or party.... it must be a Japan thing.

 

[Wooper]

Does gacha art really pay-

YES.

 

[Sunflower Samurai]

Even if Gacha Bucks are maybe better than streaming/corpo money i hope shes one of the first talents to return or cameo back if her situation improves or resolves itself for returning

Thats a big if though

Edit: lmao it hasnt even been like an hour since the stream ended, right

 

[Serbian Peacekeepers]

Surely Cover wouldnt be bold enough to announce a new gen after a graduation for a 2nd time... Right?

You see that's the secret, cover has 12 gens ready to go after every graduation, their member numbers actually Dwarf Niji by a factor of 10


I wouldnt be too shocked if she returns one day, hopefully when her back issues get alot better and she can balance her artist and streaming job, we may have a second phoenix on our hands.

 

[Poyorin]

I thought July started crazy, but this news isn't that surprising to me. I was there from the beginning and I was there till this very end. It saddens and hurts me a lot, but I can only wish BEEG baby the best. I'm glad she's getting the honorary treatment, because Sana deserved it (even if some wouldn't agree with it.)

 

[DarkOak8]

Surely Cover wouldnt be bold enough to announce a new gen after a graduation for a 2nd time... Right?

Wouldn't this actually be like the 4th time? Myth debuted the month after Aloe left, Council the month after Coco left and ID Gen 3 the month after Rushia left. Most of those are probably coincidence but it's still kind of funny lol.

 

[EenGevolg]

Has there been a graduation yet where the vtuber just feels fulfilled/finished their development? So far Aloe was harrassed out, Coco couldn't deal with all the restrictions put on her, Rushia was nuked, and Sana is leaving presumably due to her poor schedule management. Has anyone in Stars or Niji graduated just because they felt they did everything they could do and want to move on?

Niji's Mayuzumi Kai is on his graduation tour as well, and he pretty much finished the entire story he wanted to tell with his character a while back (2434system storyline); pretty sure that was around the point he took 2 months off to deal with depression. After that, there was something in his contract he didn't agree with (allegedly misunderstanding on his part?), and despite months of AC trying to discuss any sort of middle ground with him, he didn't feel like he had it in him anymore.

That does feel relatively rare; usually graduations happen due to things like health problems (Warabeda Meiji), lack of time, or disillusionment with how big JP corpos operate (ex. Melissa splitting ways since she wanted more control over her songs), but you never really hear about someone who could safely say "I've finished the story I wanted to tell, and I've done everything I could, it's probably a good time for me to bow down and let the curtains drop". That's usually because most of the time nobody gives a shit about their character's story within 24 hours of their debut, and the fact he cared so much was part of what made him genuinely special.

Really unfortunate to see Sana go. I haven't been keeping up with HoloEN as much as I wish I could, but she seemed neat. It really is sad when life seemingly fucks someone up over and over, but they don't really get the ability to turn things around. Whatever she decides to do after this, hopefully it turns out well for her.

 

[Takodachi]

Wouldn't this actually be like the 4th time? Myth debuted the month after Aloe left, Council the month after Coco left and ID Gen 3 the month after Rushia left. Most of those are probably coincidence but it's still kind of funny lol.

ID isnt a real branch, take your meds.

 

[reinigen]

Didn't her health issues start AFTER joining? isn't like cover could have foreseen it being a issue.
Im not fully convinced her streaming hours were the issue, more likely i think the stress was too much, and when it came down to it, between a streaming job and gacha art , the one that probably paid her upwards of 10k per piece (random number guess) was gonna win out.

I'm fairly convinced that based on the total blackout she had, followed by the descriptions she provided she was in some sort of catastrophic accident like a car crash or something. She was streaming from bed, couldn't sit up, and even her first stream explaining everything she could barely pull 30 minutes.

The company i work at over here in Japan when ever someone gets sacked or leaves they have a company retreat or party.... it must be a Japan thing.

I presume as a means to try and raise moral to prevent any sort of cascading problems. Makes sense from a purely utilitarian point of view.

Surely Cover wouldnt be bold enough to announce a new gen after a graduation for a 2nd time... Right?

As much as I hope this isn't the case, I would be curious to see the reaction. Total understanding? Indignation? Or Consoomer?

 

[Piaiex]

YES.

Relevant username?

 

[Not A Vampire]

On one hand, I do understand some of the reasons she has for graduating and choosing her art career over Hololive. She was already a prolific and successful artist to begin with, so she never had to worry about not having a back up plan should vtubing just not be her thing. I do feel it's sad to see her go when it looked like she was picking things up again.

But that's also a problem, because if she was already this busy and health issues flaring up possibly due to external reasons or streaming exacerbating it, then I don't think she should have auditioned for Hololive to begin with (nepotism rrats aside). Even the small startup agencies say that being a corpo vtuber is a busy job, that you're working even when you're not streaming because you have other shit you got to do ASIDE from the streaming part.

I've said it before but anyone would be annoyed to see someone get a spot on HoloEN only to see them just be absent for most of it when there's many others who would kill to have her position. Even with understandable reasons, who wouldn't feel irritated by this?

Edit: just to reiterate, I DO feel bad for Sana. She clearly doesn't want to go but unfortunate things happened. But I don't feel THAT bad over it either.

 

[Slutpuppies]

I'm glad Sana has a successful career outside of Hololive, and I never watched her outside collabs, but someone having to graduate because of health issues is super sad.

I didn't think the first HoloEN graduation would be so soon, and I didn't think it would bum me out like this either.

 

[Tatsunoko]

Trying to lighten the mood.