The Holocaust Thread - The Great Debate Between Affirmers, Revisionists and Deniers

[History Speaks]

I literally quoted the wiki part that says it got thrown out.

I was saying imagine of all the stuff that didn't get thrown out, that did. If you had actually read my lost properly instead of being an illiterate cracker, you would have noticed.

Maybe you intended this, but my reading of what you wrote is the logical and grammatical one. Sorry.

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

Maybe you intended this, but my reading of what you wrote is the logical and grammatical one. Sorry.

Incorrect, I would have used a comma if it was your interpretation. Go get an education you dumb fuck.

 

[History Speaks]

"Imagine, of all the crazy shit said in that trial that didn't get thrown out." If "that" refers to "of all the crazy shit said in that trial", what you wrote is ungrammmatical, you would need another clause in the sentence. Again, I am sorry for being the bearer of bad news.

More interesting than this though is your politics. Assuming you are black and not LARPing, why are you making common cause with Nazi LARPers on the "JQ."

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

"Imagine, of all the crazy shit said in that trial that didn't get thrown out." If "that" refers to "of all the crazy shit said in that trial", what you wrote is ungrammmatical, you would need another clause in the sentence. Again, I am sorry for being the bearer of bad news.

More interesting than this though is your politics. Assuming you are black and not LARPing, why are you making common cause with Nazi LARPers on the "JQ."

Only a complete autist would read it this way when the quote it is talking about above it is LITERALLY SAYING IT WAS THROWN OUT. Stop being a dumbass and take the L. It's ok to be wrong sometimes. Sometimes, you're wrong. Sometimes, you're gay. This is one of those times.

 

[PickaTopTier]

If you had more to offer than memes, i.e. if a significant number of you spoke German and read books about history, I would be able to address you in a different tone. For now you are to be spoken to as meme-addled children.

I'd suggest going back through this thread. There's plenty of discussion that goes deeper than imageboard memes (from both sides). As far as "tone" goes, no one gives a fuck.

 

[Lemmingwise]

What is funny is I am half Egyptian and your "revisionist" buddies (including the TDS guys) have made racist comments about me, yet to you I am a cracker.

Hey nigger, if you don't stop being such a chink you'll never appeal to all those confused kiwifarms kids. You'll have to sambo up your speech and act like the wop spic coon cabbage eater you are that doesn't get upset like a currymuncher at his card being redeemed when he hears some colourful bants.

 

[Bonesjones]

You admit to coming here to drive hits to your podcast, yet we are the ones motivated by ideology? You dodge arguments by calling them worthless memes instead of engaging with what people say. For all your claims of being a white mutt, you sure do act like a jew. Are you just another hopeless academic turbo fixated on what you can regurgitate while ignoring common sense arguments? That's all you true believers ever seem to be.

Remember you can't just say people died, you have to prove intent AND the mechanized methods used to genocide not only the jews but millions of other people. Otherwise you are engaging in holocaust denial. Which means, welcome to the club faggot. It's not our fault you picked the unenviable task of trying to make sense of war propaganda.

 

[History Speaks]

Honestly I’d be more than happy to take the l on some relatively meaningless thing like grammar. The trouble is I’m right lol.

By the way I am going to be debating Jim Rizoli in my channel next Sunday, 1 pm est. you are all welcome to comment or ask questions in chat so long as you don’t violate tos (from what I understand from YT, I can entertain denial arguments because I am debunking them, but you will have to stick to arguments about the Holocaust, not Jew theories or racial slurs).

 

[JohnDoe]

if a significant number of you spoke German and read books about history

Sprichst du Deutsch, Rabbi? Zeig mir ein Juden, ich zeig dir ein Lügner. (Wahrschenlich auch ein Dieb.)

 

[History Speaks]

You admit to coming here to drive hits to your podcast, yet we are the ones motivated by ideology? You dodge arguments by calling them worthless memes instead of engaging with what people say. For all your claims of being a white mutt, you sure do act like a jew. Are you just another hopeless academic turbo fixated on what you can regurgitate while ignoring common sense arguments? That's all you true believers ever seem to be.

Remember you can't just say people died, you have to prove intent AND the mechanized methods used to genocide not only the jews but millions of other people. Otherwise you are engaging in holocaust denial. Which means, welcome to the club faggot. It's not our fault you picked the unenviable task of trying to make sense of war propaganda.

Honestly you guys should love me. I actually have academic credentials yet (unlike most academica these days) defend your free speech rights and will platform you. Yeah I think denial is dumb and wrong, but so does everybody outside of weird internet people.

Sprichst du Deutsch, Rabbi? Zeig mir ein Juden, ich zeig dir ein Lügner. (Wahrschenlich auch ein Dieb.)

Selbstverständlich. Ich brauche Deutsch für meine Forschung. Kennst du Deutsch wirklich, oder benutzt du Google Translate? Du kannst nächsten Sonntag während meines Streams in meinen Youtube-Kanal anrufen, und wir können zusammen auf Deutsch sprechen.

 

[JohnDoe]

Du kannst nächsten Sonntag während meines Streams in meinen Youtube-Kanal anrufen, und wir können zusammen auf Deutsch sprechen.

I'm not going to call into your stream. Why do Holohoaxers always want to do calls and live streams? If you think it will help boost your grift, you're wrong. Every year less and less people care enough to buy into your increasingly desperate facade.

 

[Lemmingwise]

I actually have academic credentials yet (unlike most academica these days) defend your free speech rights and will platform you

I can promise you, nobody gives a fuck about being platformed here. The typical kiwifarmer is not some youtube cloutchasing wannabe's. If you think about it, you're the one being platformed here, as you're probably getting more views here than on either your youtube videos or the previous politically provoked or whatever it was called debate. You're welcome, my most nasally sounding non-jew I've ever listened to for 30 seconds.

I'm not going to call into your stream. Why do Holohoaxers always want to do calls and live streams? If you think it will help boost your grift, you're wrong. Every year less and less people care enough to buy into your increasingly desperate facade.

It's like a molehunt. First they have to smoke out the anonymous people so that they can be identified, targeted, and discredited personally. They have no such risk themselves, because like the NKVD they're charged with protection of the lying regime.

 

[History Speaks]

oh for gods sake, I have zero interest in doxxing you and think doxxing is a dishonorable tactic unless we are talking about violent criminals, Don’t associate me with views I have never expressed.

 

[Stabmaster Arson]

You're welcome, my most nasally sounding non-jew I've ever listened to for 30 seconds.

Hello fellow crackers indeed.

 

[History Speaks]

Actually there's no evidence here. I asked Rapechu (the only denier here who ever engaged with or investigated this subject) an even broader question, show me evidence of non-working Jews being maintained anywhere in German occupied USSR.

He settled on Kaunus as the best example, and after I responded here he left the forum. Even before that point he had abandoned the hardcore denial position by stating the majority of the Jews held in USSR must have died.

So there is no evidence of 'resettlement' and neither is there evidence of the Germans transferring Jews out of their realm. You dodge these points with such tenacity I'm surprised you haven't thrown out your back.

This is a pattern I have noticed - the intelligent deniers tend to at least partially abandon their denial, in spite of their biases, when they realize how terrible the evidentiary case for denial is. Usually the break comes over the problem of the millions of disappeared jews in nazi custody, and the pathetic lack of evidence for the denier "resettlement" thesis, as an attempt to explain where these Jews went.

Ex-denier "documentarian" Eric Hunt also abandoned denial over the embarrassing "where did they go problem".

To quote Hunt:

Through the years, I have asked several prominent “Revisionists” this question [i.e., where did the millions of disappeared Jews in the camp system go - Bugsy]. The most common response is “I don’t know.”

Does this answer sound like it would win a public debate let alone get laughed out of an auditorium? Instead it is undoubtedly a losing position. And this is precisely why Revisionists have not and are, without additional miraculous, earth-shattering new data, unable to ever “win” the “Holocaust denial” debate.

https://archive.ph/DoGTn#selection-245.0-256.0

David Cole and Mark Weber (the IHR director ffs) have also said this problem is a grave one for "revisionists," and have changed their positions, accepting that the Reinhardt camps at least were extermination camps with gas chambers.

David Irving also accepts now that the Reinhardt camps were extermination facilities that killed millions of Jews by gassing.

 

[Lemmingwise]

the intelligent deniers tend to at least partially abandon their denial, in spite of their biases, when they realize how terrible the evidentiary case for denial is.

I know affirmists aren't particularly nimble in their thinking, but perhaps, just perhaps, some of the people you think are deniers never were deniers, but simply followed where the evidence took them. You keep talking about this vague idea of deniers in this thread, but when I asked to point to some, you ignored the question and refused to do so.

 

[History Speaks]

I know affirmists aren't particularly nimble in their thinking, but perhaps, just perhaps, some of the people you think they're deniers never were deniers, but simply followed where the evidence took them. You keep talking about this vague idea of deniers in this thread, but when I asked to point to some, you ignored the question and refused to do so.

Hunt refers to his old views as denial. David Cole refers to the hardcore position (no gas chambers, no extermination camps) as denial.

The denier resettlement theory makes a complete mockery of their concern trolling about "physical evidence." THe leading deniers (Mattogno, Rudolf, Enoch) believe a nation of millions of resettled Jews existed in the 1940s, yet left no physical trace of its having existed.

We have archaeological evidence of ancient non-literate societies having existed, but zero physical evidence for a community of milions (the Jews supposedly moved out of the Nazi camp system and resettled) that is said by deniers to have existed in the 1940s.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Sorry I wasn't clear. You've read quite a bit of this thread. It's apparently the only part of the site that interests you. It wasn't a gotcha question either; are there even deniers in this thread? I remember seeing maybe 1 or 2, which is why I asked to point to 4.

And stop doubleposting, refugee.

 

[History Speaks]

Lol this thread is overwhelmingly deniers. Deniers are defined as those who deny EITHER 1) systematic extermination of the Jews by gassing in the Reinhardt camps and Auschwitz-Birkenau, OR 2) systematic murder of Jewish civilians on the Eastern Front by mass shooting. I do not know if any of you deny extermination by mass shooting, but clearly many of you deny exterminations by gassing in the camps.

 

[Lemmingwise]

Lol this thread is overwhelmingly deniers.

So it would be easy to point to 4.