Lauren Southern's "The WHOLE Truth" - Even more skeletons in the closet of "The Dissident Right"

frozenrunner said:
I am by no means a Venti hater (she's funny as hell, maybe there's some info I don't have that explains why everyone dislikes her), but come on dude. We can say Southern is full of shit if she is (I don't know... I just know Milo and Ezra are) without pretending she's not pretty. I've never been a huge fan of hers for whatever reason, but she's gorgeous.
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Her sister is gorgeous
 
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apolloday said:
I have always been surprised that anyone took the leaders of the 2016 pop-right movement seriously from the get go. I'm not even sure it's possible to have a political movement that isn't completely ideologically corrupt in current year unless it's insular to a specific group. I didn't really know much about Lauren Southern, I just assumed she was another pretty girl using the classic hot-girl-in-guy-group grift. That's true, but it seems like she is actually a good actor on the whole. I still don't see the appeal of Paul Joseph Watson. I can't imagine the type of person who would watch something from him.
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Reminds me of Nick Fuentes, although I'd say even back then he was worse than people like Milo, Southern, etc. at least when they started out, but the more attention I gave any of these people the more obvious it seemed to me they were just obnoxious opportunistic jackasses.
 
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Crying about not being able to get into Australia. It's her fault if she married someone from there and had a kid with them. Everyone knows how shit the place is when it comes to politics. Should have just fucked an Indian, they wont care too much about your political sperging as long as you put out for their friends.
 
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Cherenkovblue said:
She went with some fucking alien anyway so she's already lost her "I'm a Conservative" cred. You don't get to bump uglies with mudpeople and still claim to be Conservative.
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Her, Milo and Destiny got into politics to seethe and to get back at everyone who reminds them of someone. Lauren probably Daddy issues, (loves her dad hates her mom) as he gets less involved, Destiny Mummy issues, Milo -both.
 
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I believe Lauren but I think she is lying through omission, counter-signaling, and demonstrates a lack of responsibility through her tone and behavior.

Lying by Omission
White Nationalism: the huge elephant in the room. She talked about the beginning and middle of her career but she ignored the end. Eventually she discovered the Great Replacement and White Genocide. She discovered identitarian groups like Identity Europa and nationalists like Martin Sellner. She discovered Neo-Nazis. She is well aware of Richard Spencer and the alt-right and she was on a debate panel with Nick Fuentes and got pushed out of the movement during his Tradthot War. Her experiences with these groups and her views on these subjects are by far the most important part of her story. She totally ignores them which I assume is because when push came to shove and she had to choose her path, she decided to embrace neo-liberalism and the very policies against which she fought.

Counter-Signaling
She denied being an "enlightened centrist" but isn't that her message today? She sympathizes with immigrants rather than stating they should build their own nations. She said feminism has some good points rather than embracing traditional gender norms. She took a completely different path from other women like Blonde in the Belly or Brittney Pettibone Sellner.

Immaturity
At age 27, she is demonstrating unacceptable levels of immaturity and lack of responsibility. Her reason for leaving politics was pure selfishness. She got banned from Australia and she disavowed her views to get a visa and bang her hapachad. That demonstrates a lack of conviction. Other people, whom she knows, like Martin Sellner, have experienced far more political persecution and they held to their beliefs. She mentions that her reason for making this video is selfish but she isn't owning her selfishness and apologizing, She isn't thinking about the message her fans received or how she affected these people's beliefs. She is only portraying herself as a victim for sympathy and this demonstrates a lack of responsibility that is unacceptable at age 27.

Now she wants to return to politics but return to what? She is just promoting Destiny neo-liberalism to her audience today. She isn't pushing the Overton Window like she did at her peak. She has admitted that she will bail when the pressure is too much.
 
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DetectiveDuBois said:
Her, Milo and Destiny got into politics to seethe and to get back at everyone who reminds them of someone. Lauren probably Daddy issues, (loves her dad hates her mom) as he gets less involved, Destiny Mummy issues, Milo -both.
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I can't speak to her issues, but Milo? He's simply a narcissist who wants to grift his way through life and get the attention he didn't get as a child. He was used by older men and desperately craves attention that, given his behavior, he doesn't deserve.
BoxerShorts47 said:
Lying by Omission
White Nationalism: the huge elephant in the room. She talked about the beginning and middle of her career but she ignored the end. Eventually she discovered the Great Replacement and White Genocide. She discovered identitarian groups like Identity Europa and nationalists like Martin Sellner. She discovered Neo-Nazis. She is well aware of Richard Spencer and the alt-right and she was on a debate panel with Nick Fuentes and got pushed out of the movement during his Tradthot War. Her experiences with these groups and her views on these subjects are by far the most important part of her story. She totally ignores them which I assume is because when push came to shove and she had to choose her path, she decided to embrace neo-liberalism and the very policies against which she fought.
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This is pretty big. I forgot about the whole Identity Europa episode. Yeah, that does seem like a pretty big omission, doesn't it? Almost like she wants her milque-toast audience to forget she was ever involved in that sort of thing.
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Counter-Signaling
She denied being an "enlightened centrist" but isn't that her message today? She sympathizes with immigrants rather than stating they should build their own nations. She said feminism has some good points rather than embracing traditional gender norms. She took a completely different path from other women like Blonde in the Belly or Brittney Pettibone Sellner.
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That is precisely her message today. She's using the excuse of bad actors to shift her message.
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Immaturity
At age 27, she is demonstrating unacceptable levels of immaturity and lack of responsibility. Her reason for leaving politics was pure selfishness. She got banned from Australia and she disavowed her views to get a visa and bang her hapachad. That demonstrates a lack of conviction. Other people, whom she knows, like Martin Sellner, have experienced far more political persecution and they held to their beliefs. She mentions that her reason for making this video is selfish but she isn't owning her selfishness and apologizing, She isn't thinking about the message her fans received or how she affected these people's beliefs. She is only portraying herself as a victim for sympathy and this demonstrates a lack of responsibility that is unacceptable at age 27.

Now she wants to return to politics but return to what? She is just promoting Destiny neo-liberalism to her audience today. She isn't pushing the Overton Window like she did at her peak. She has admitted that she will bail when the pressure is too much.
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This. She literally gave up her career and her supposed message to go have a family in a country that didn't want her, and now she's trying to snake her way back into politics. If she wanted to prove to her audience that she has no convictions and will say or do anything to get money... congratulations, Lauren: YOU DID IT.
 
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BoxerShorts47 said:
Lying by Omission
White Nationalism: the huge elephant in the room. She talked about the beginning and middle of her career but she ignored the end. Eventually she discovered the Great Replacement and White Genocide. She discovered identitarian groups like Identity Europa and nationalists like Martin Sellner. She discovered Neo-Nazis. She is well aware of Richard Spencer and the alt-right and she was on a debate panel with Nick Fuentes and got pushed out of the movement during his Tradthot War. Her experiences with these groups and her views on these subjects are by far the most important part of her story. She totally ignores them which I assume is because when push came to shove and she had to choose her path, she decided to embrace neo-liberalism and the very policies against which she fought.
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I mean to be fair the point of the video wasn’t a retrospective on her career and political journey. Maybe she also owes her audience that or should definitely address it, sure, but she’s said on multiple different podcasts/interviews about specific people and leaders in the conservative movement that are frauds. The point of her video was purely to expose these people, which she has been clear about since before it was released. The stuff about her life and career was just context. She talked about her work in cases where her work was the reason for those blackmailing her (Milo with the tour) or just being straight up liars (Faith Goldie lying about the security Lauren didn’t use). The video wasn’t about her whole story, and it never came across as otherwise to me.
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Counter-Signaling
She denied being an "enlightened centrist" but isn't that her message today? She sympathizes with immigrants rather than stating they should build their own nations. She said feminism has some good points rather than embracing traditional gender norms. She took a completely different path from other women like Blonde in the Belly or Brittney Pettibone Sellner.
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I don’t see that. She changed her mind on some points of feminism because of bad experiences she had. That just is what it is and very mild since it’s literally just a few aspects of it she has a different view of now. I don’t get why she would randomly say “btw immigrants should build their own nations” in a video not about that but maybe she said the opposite elsewhere.
BoxerShorts47 said:
Immaturity
At age 27, she is demonstrating unacceptable levels of immaturity and lack of responsibility. Her reason for leaving politics was pure selfishness. She got banned from Australia and she disavowed her views to get a visa and bang her hapachad. That demonstrates a lack of conviction. Other people, whom she knows, like Martin Sellner, have experienced far more political persecution and they held to their beliefs. She mentions that her reason for making this video is selfish but she isn't owning her selfishness and apologizing, She isn't thinking about the message her fans received or how she affected these people's beliefs. She is only portraying herself as a victim for sympathy and this demonstrates a lack of responsibility that is unacceptable at age 27.

Now she wants to return to politics but return to what?
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I don’t think she has to apologise for not staying involved with a ground of people constantly blackmailing each other and doing more damage overall to the movement she said she truly believed in. She did apologise to the fans that felt like she left them hanging, because she did. Like she had a baby and wanted a family at that point, most normal people have a life outside of work and she was just doing that.
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She is just promoting Destiny neo-liberalism to her audience today. She isn't pushing the Overton Window like she did at her peak. She has admitted that she will bail when the pressure is too much.
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Agreed
 
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keke said:
I mean to be fair the point of the video wasn’t a retrospective on her career and political journey. Maybe she also owes her audience that or should definitely address it, sure, but she’s said on multiple different podcasts/interviews about specific people and leaders in the conservative movement that are frauds. The point of her video was purely to expose these people, which she has been clear about since before it was released. The stuff about her life and career was just context. She talked about her work in cases where her work was the reason for those blackmailing her (Milo with the tour) or just being straight up liars (Faith Goldie lying about the security Lauren didn’t use). The video wasn’t about her whole story, and it never came across as otherwise to me.

I don’t see that. She changed her mind on some points of feminism because of bad experiences she had. That just is what it is and very mild since it’s literally just a few aspects of it she has a different view of now. I don’t get why she would randomly say “btw immigrants should build their own nations” in a video not about that but maybe she said the opposite elsewhere.

I don’t think she has to apologise for not staying involved with a ground of people constantly blackmailing each other and doing more damage overall to the movement she said she truly believed in. She did apologise to the fans that felt like she left them hanging, because she did. Like she had a baby and wanted a family at that point, most normal people have a life outside of work and she was just doing that.

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Cope. I've seen this mentality from Qtards who couldn't accept that Trump didn't keep his promises.

If Lauren wanted to simply make a video refuting allegations from different people then she would have done so. She titled this video "The WHOLE Truth" and anyone watching this video would think she was simply a good girl who didn't do nuffin and got abused by other people. Given that this women has a track record of lying, I don't think she simply omitted her nationalism/identical arc. She is trying to white wash her past.

As for changing her views. At this point she is basically a gatekeeper against people who have anti feminism or anti diversity viewpoints. When she says, "feminism has some good points," she is normalizing feminism and pushing her audience left. She is doing the opposite of what she did in 2015-2016. At best she is simply another subversion today. If she was serious, she would put out a manifesto with her current political beliefs but she won't do that because then it'll expose her as a centrists (leftist in denial) and she wouldn't be able to continue the "look how crazy the left is" grift.
 
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keke said:
How is a high bar of expectation a benefit? That doesn’t make sense.

Milo is an awful example to use because he’s a literal fraud as had been exposed by the lawsuits with his ghostwriter. To me, stealing the grant money he fundraised from his audience that he claimed he was going to give to poor white men is the biggest grift imaginable for some right wing figure at the time. Not to mention how he blamed it on the woman that helped organise it and everyone attacked her even when she posted evidence showing she had no access to the money and it was all in Milo’s account. Milo was fairly revered in 2016, and if anything escaped a lot of critics (talking in the right only) because people found him funny. I just think that assertion about Milo is bizarre because part of his gimmick was how unprofessional he was compared to the usual conservative media.

I’m curious if you watched Lauren’s video or just commented that based on previous knowledge? Just so I can get the context for other parts of your comment which I find interesting/agree with.
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i didn't watch lauren's video because the thin veneer of professionalism is part of the grift, and this tea in particular is just reinforcing things i already knew and isn't worth 1-3 hours of my time. i mean, she's probably the one coming out on top out of all of this, but that doesn't mean i care. the whole alt-right movement was just an excuse to divide people on minute principles so they don't fight for the big picture

what i was saying is that women grifting about neutral or male topics have to be more competent to succeed in that environment. there's a lot more complex factors at play so don't take that as gender war bullshit

when i mean by a high bar of expectation is that the social pressure to scrutinize them is in line with what is necessary for them to succeed. if they are capable of hitting that bar, they are going to be somewhat competent and therefore be accepted. When it comes to men, the scrutiny is nonexistant so people are not pushed into the role of succeeding - people like milo got successful and people keep listening to them despite being complete turds. like, how the fuck does Owen Benjamin still have an audience? thats what i mean. men naturally desire to succeed and people gravitate towards male leadership, the scrutiny is not going to be fair, but what i'm saying is that this is a pattern within postmodern society
 
Woman whose best trick was being an 8 while pretending to be single; saying edgy things, realizes she can't do anything else at 27; falls back on old grift with new audience - more at 11.

I dunno why people are arguing about whether this woman has principles when she obviously has none. Wake me up when she cuts her tits off and declares herself to be Laurence Southern.
 
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These so-called right wing e celeb commentators rubbed me the wrong way from almost the start. The first one I can remember was RamZPaul, who got old after about five videos, before I realized he was just an edge Lord dumbass. Don't think I've watched a full video of his since 2011.

So when Laura Southern came on the scene, I was already skeptical of any of these people. Gave her a shot, and was totally unimpressed, it was just reheated material that we already knew from previous writers and commentators who were much more intelligent.
 
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So I sat through the whole thing, what stands out the most to me is that Lauren Southern is kind of a moron as anyone who couldn't tell Milo was a grifting faggot from the start is not playing with a full deck. He was a funny troll but it boggles the mind that anyone ever took him seriously, that she did says a lot about what a credulous git she is.
 
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