George RR Martin, his fanboys, and former fanbase

That guy who wrote The Eye of Argon is closer to Tolkien than this fatshit degenerate ever will be. Never cared for A Song of Ice and Fire, couldn’t give a shit about GoT, he seems too far up his own ass, the sort of fart huffing twat you see in college campuses who can never enjoy something on it’s own merit, it always has to be “deconstructed” and “postmodern”
 
Didn't he try to put down Lord of the Rings on the basis of "What is Aragorn's tax policy?"? He seems like a postmodernist redditor hack who basks in his own deconstructionist wit. He will never be a Tolkien.
It is is even more hilarious cause Tolkien finished his series and completed a prequel in the Silmarillion which told the lore fans wanted so badly. Meanwhile "Captain Fat Fuck" here can't complete his own series due to him making a complete clusterfuck out of it.
 
GRR Martin had potential but every time he introduces a dude who kicks ass, he just dies.

You start to get behind Ned Stark because he's an honorable dude in a kingdom of deception, dead.
You decide Westeros is fucked and needs to be razed, so you get behind Khal Drogo, dead.
You learn to like Robb Stark so that there's a hope for the North, dead.
Oberyn Martell shows up to dispense some justice in King's Landing? Dead.
You come to respect the cunning of Tywin Lannister? No problem, he's dead on the shitter.

Martin maybe is trying to make a point by killing these guys, but ultimately it decapitates the series, there's no effective protagonist. Jon is kind of the last shot the books have, and we already know it's going to get fucked/never come out.
 
You can really tell the quality of his writing goes downhill after A Storm of Swords. The next two books just feel so unfocused compared to the first three and are a total drag.

I'm glad I only watched the first season of the TV show. I was already disappointed when I heard they cut out elements I liked from the books in later seasons and then started laughing when I heard how it devolved into glorified fanfic which GRRM probably had some hand in just to demo potential endings.

But let's not criticize the man too much. He would've had great presence as an extra as a background dwarf in LOTR or the Hobbit.
 
GRR Martin had potential but every time he introduces a dude who kicks ass, he just dies.

You start to get behind Ned Stark because he's an honorable dude in a kingdom of deception, dead.
You decide Westeros is fucked and needs to be razed, so you get behind Khal Drogo, dead.
You learn to like Robb Stark so that there's a hope for the North, dead.
Oberyn Martell shows up to dispense some justice in King's Landing? Dead.
You come to respect the cunning of Tywin Lannister? No problem, he's dead on the shitter.

Martin maybe is trying to make a point by killing these guys, but ultimately it decapitates the series, there's no effective protagonist. Jon is kind of the last shot the books have, and we already know it's going to get fucked/never come out.
I hear this and I think of some doughy nerdling getting revenge on the boys who shoved him into lockers by writing stories where anyone with a lick of testosterone dies.
 
I can't believe there are people who think GRRM is superior to Tolkien because "OMG! You can't tell whose going to die next! NOONE IS SAFE!!" Completely ignoring the fact that he killed off Boromir, Theoden and Gollum.
Anyone who thinks storytelling should be based on the unpredictability of death either isn't reading enough or is some kind of edgelord. Some people may like the bleak themes, but a lot of people have an endemic hope for things to turn out better or at least halfway that. For a general audience, a story without resolution (unless there's a statement) is a huge turn off.


GRR Martin had potential but every time he introduces a dude who kicks ass, he just dies.

You start to get behind Ned Stark because he's an honorable dude in a kingdom of deception, dead.
You decide Westeros is fucked and needs to be razed, so you get behind Khal Drogo, dead.
You learn to like Robb Stark so that there's a hope for the North, dead.
Oberyn Martell shows up to dispense some justice in King's Landing? Dead.
You come to respect the cunning of Tywin Lannister? No problem, he's dead on the shitter.

Martin maybe is trying to make a point by killing these guys, but ultimately it decapitates the series, there's no effective protagonist. Jon is kind of the last shot the books have, and we already know it's going to get fucked/never come out.
Which is funny since history is chock full of those charismatic types who usually accomplish those kinds of feats or a good portion of it. William the Marshall? The dude not only survived under 5 kings while remaining loyal to each one including unpopular John I, but he was largely instrumental to the flawed, but historically significant Magna Carta that inspired a gradual decline in monarchy. Baldwin IV the Leper? He defeated Saladin multiple times despite dealing with an internally weak kingdom and a dying young body, having even earned the respect of his Muslim advesaries. Queen Jadwiga of Poland? She ruled like a man and didn't have to pull a Cersei to get what she wanted.

George seems afraid of making chads.
 
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Honestly, I just don't care anymore. He is never going to finish WoW and ADoS and we should all make peace with it.

Game of Thrones' popularity did away with George's obligation to write books for money and gave him the opportunity to do what he wanted. He doesn't give a shit anymore. It goes without saying that you should not do something that you do not enjoy. If you want a local lolcow example, just look what happened to Cosmo Wright - he kept on streaming and gaming even though he had clearly become disinterested in it and it made him feel so shit he trooned out.

We all want to see a sort of 'canonical' ending to this story but over the years most of the books' fans have become either extremely jaded or clinically insane from all the fan theories. I think a lot of people are bound to be disappointed with whatever George has in mind. Especially now that the fandom has been flooded with all the showfags coming to see the 'real' ending after D&D's failure. But I think it is a much better option to end the series on a cliffhanger rather than for George to force himself to write and end up with shit or hand the series to some other person who might fuck it up (considering George's style of 'gardener writing' and ending up with different things than he had previously imagined)

The guy is 73 years old and basically a deathfat. Just let him do the stupid shit he wants. Let him have fun before he dies. Obsessing over ASoIaF at this point is not worth your time, just let it go and go enjoy something else.
 
The guy is 73 years old and basically a deathfat. Just let him do the stupid shit he wants.
He can do all the stupid shit he wants, I just get to point and laugh at the fact he is a Lazy Fat Ass who is deathly afraid of finishing his series because it will have the same plot twists as Season 8 which everyone rightfully shits on like a portapotty.

it always has to be “deconstructed” and “postmodern”
The worst part is GRRM doesn't even do it correctly. Robert Jordan did the Tolkien deconstruction better and didn't need to start randomly killing characters for Shock Value because he actually deconstructed things like "The Chosen one" and "Gandalf kidnapping a bunch of Hobbits and taking them to be heroes"
 
Honestly, while his works were unfocused, topical, and mostly creations of what intrigued or pained him at a given moment, I give more credit to Lovecraft's worldbuilding and writing than Martin. Lovecraft (accidentally) revolutionized a whole new genre of fiction, Martin just deconstructed an existing one.
On the topic of Harold and Martin, I recall some blog post from GRRM that, in one of his tirades against fan fiction, raked Lovecraft over the coals for not controlling his IP with an iron fist; yet what will GRRM's legacy be compared to Lovecraft's? Insignificant, is what.

Perhaps Lovecraft could have gained more profit from his work if he'd been savvier, I don't know, but Lovecraft's focus on collaboration and a sharing of worldbuilding with other authors created something that straddles the line between IP and genre depending on how much is borrowed, and bits and pieces of this collaborative work persist so distinctly to this day that "Lovecraftian" is now a common descriptor. Martin will just be another reactionary fantasy author who got a couple years of fame for pissing on—no, I'm sorry, "deconstructing"—Tolkien.
 
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I never got the hype for his books and always thought his writing was shit, I tried to like it but I really don't need details in incest scenes or a girl shitting herself. It just came off as "mature" where they go all in on edgy shit because thats what adults do, their lives revolve around taboo sex and profanity. It's like when a childrens author gets to stop writing for kids and they go full retard now they aren't age restricted. It's sad America has good writers and they chose GRRM as their representative. Atleast he meets the fat and lazy stereotype I guess.
 
''I did begin a story placed about 100 years after the Downfall, but it proved both sinister and depressing. Since we are dealing with Men, it is inevitable that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature of their nature: their quick satiety with good. So that the people of Gondor in times of peace, justice and prosperity, would become discontented and restless — while the dynasts descended from Aragorn would become just kings and governors — like Denethor or worse. I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion; while Gondorian boys were playing at being Orcs and going around doing damage. I could have written a 'thriller' about the plot and its discovery and overthrow — but it would have been just that.

Not worth doing.''

- Tolkien, on why he didn't write Game of Thrones
 
''I did begin a story placed about 100 years after the Downfall, but it proved both sinister and depressing. Since we are dealing with Men, it is inevitable that we should be concerned with the most regrettable feature of their nature: their quick satiety with good. So that the people of Gondor in times of peace, justice and prosperity, would become discontented and restless — while the dynasts descended from Aragorn would become just kings and governors — like Denethor or worse. I found that even so early there was an outcrop of revolutionary plots, about a centre of secret Satanistic religion; while Gondorian boys were playing at being Orcs and going around doing damage. I could have written a 'thriller' about the plot and its discovery and overthrow — but it would have been just that.

Not worth doing.''

- Tolkien, on why he didn't write Game of Thrones
Tolkien had the balls to not only stop writing indulgently because he knew it would go against what the fans wanted, he also had the balls to straight up say "Nope, can't be arsed and can't think of anything good."

Lovecraft enabled people to play in his sandbox. Evil racist Niggerman loving Lovecraft created an entire universe, got others to help flesh it out and because of that enabled others to create with his work. Making that work functionally immortal. And that's before we get into the legacy of Call of Cthulhu. Which is the most popular tabletop RPG in Japan and enabled multiple generations to find Lovecraft's work before the internet.

Martin is going to die of a heart attack with a shitty tv series, an uresolved book series, and a grudge against fan fiction. Great legacy there.
 
He'll have the last laugh because he'll die in his comfy New Mexico house, all paid by the fans.
Is it funny if no one can remember him and his work stays forgotten? People will be talking of Tolkien and Lovecraft 100 years from now the same as they do Shakespere and the Greek Epics. People are already forgetting ASOIAF. That's the absolute worst thing to happen to an artist. To be dead and forgotten.
 
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Didn't he try to put down Lord of the Rings on the basis of "What is Aragorn's tax policy?"? He seems like a postmodernist redditor hack who basks in his own deconstructionist wit
No you don't get it. It's much more realistic to have every noble family and house was routinely raping and murdering every single peasant, farmer, and servant they had in their employ. Realistic tax policy (which is very important to the story you see) is that you must decapitate every third farmer and rape every second woman. Just like r/history told me.
 
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