Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

[Shitted Scaredless]

PL and a huge post but I think this might be the right place for this.

I have been dealing with a friend who claims to have BPD.
Got sent to the psychiatry wars on a supposed suicide attempt.
Left her job and did not put any effort into finding another one (claims she gets anxious and just can't when a job interview comes up)

Claimed she was a lesbian all her life yet left her long term girlfriend for a dude she met buying weed.
Supposedly got pregnant.
(found out soon after she wasn't)

And now she spends all days drinking and doing drugs and hooking up.
I used to love her to bits and I knew she was not an easy person to deal with and her childhood was pretty rough.

But now everytime she does something terrible she just blames her borderline disorder and that nobody is supportive.
And I just can't stand this bullshit anymore.

The fuck do I do?

Also she takes xanax like its candy

Spoiler

I'm not diagnosed, but as someone who shows many of the symptoms, run man. Yea, shits hard to manage, but if someone isn't trying to manage, that's really bad. Both of you will only get hurt like this. She needs to take responsibility. Yea, this shit can get hard, but I'd you have it, you're responsible for your behavior and at least trying to learn. She's not. She's using it as a get out of jail free card. I've seen what can happen from when I didn't know shit and I wouldn't wish the consequences on anyone. It's for the best dude.

 

[MadDisaster]

Depends entirely what they claim is going on with them, and a lot of them claim illnesses that vary wildly in severity between patients. Even «scary» diagnoses of SLE or MS arent cookie-cutter diseases and with the treatment options avaliable today many are able to live very full and near normal lives. The problem is, of course, none of these people fit in that category. Theyre always the worst anyone has ever seen.

Oh, absolutely. But amusement park rides are really different from your average day to day activities, which is why I ask. For example, my mom has MS, and is still doing really well after decades. But even a carousel would cause so much vertigo and fuck up her balance that it's too unpleasant to even bother. And that's a pretty gentle ride.

 

[Damp Pleather]

Oh, absolutely. But amusement park rides are really different from your average day to day activities, which is why I ask. For example, my mom has MS, and is still doing really well after decades. But even a carousel would cause so much vertigo and fuck up her balance that it's too unpleasant to even bother. And that's a pretty gentle ride.

There are patients with MS whos only symptoms are persistent eye twitches. Especially these days where keen practicioners know what to look for and can send pts to imaging quickly, get diagnosed quickly and put pt on biologics quickly, its amazing how much the degenerative nature of MS can be haltered. Ive known MS pts who are full-time firefighters, disney-dads, and crossfit-junkies. It wasnt common to have that quality of life with MS before, but medical advancements are changing the game for those who are diagnosed (and early on in the illness) now. Which is making the variance of patients health within the same diagnosis even larger.

 

[MadDisaster]

There are patients with MS whos only symptoms are persistent eye twitches. Especially these days where keen practicioners know what to look for and can send pts to imaging quickly, get diagnosed quickly and put pt on biologics quickly, its amazing how much the degenerative nature of MS can be haltered. Ive known MS pts who are full-time firefighters, disney-dads, and crossfit-junkies. It wasnt common to have that quality of life with MS before, but medical advancements are changing the game for those who are diagnosed (and early on in the illness) now. Which is making the variance of patients health within the same diagnosis even larger.

I understand that, but it doesn't really answer my question. Amusement park rides aren't normal day-to-day activities. They're designed specifically to put the body through various types of stress that aren't generally an issue for healthy people, but would cause problems for people with various medical issues (regardless of their function in their daily lives).

If someone's limbs are spontaneously dislocating, a roller coaster would seem to be something they would want to avoid, just because something that will probably dislocate a joint would no longer be a fun activity. If you have seizures, migraines, or a heart condition, you're generally not going out of your way to do something that that is going to cause a seizure/migraine/heart attack. Not only out of practicality, but because those things lose their appeal when the consequences suck. Heck, even people who get nauseous easily aren't heading over to ride the tea cups.

So, all these munchie girls off to Disney and amusement parks seem particularly off to me. But since I'm just not familiar enough with their claimed conditions, I wanted to know if that is reasonable or not. While pretty much any condition has a range of effects, would someone with these conditions really choose to go on amusement park rides? That's what I'm curious about.

 

[Damp Pleather]

So, all these munchie girls off to Disney and amusement parks seem particularly off to me. But since I'm just not familiar enough with their claimed conditions, I wanted to know if that is reasonable or not. While pretty much any condition has a range of effects, would someone with these conditions really choose to go on amusement park rides? That's what I'm curious about.

Thats what Im trying to explain to you - these diagnosis in themselves wouldnt mean they couldnt go on roller coasters. The fact that theyre always claiming to be on the polar end of the illness is what makes it suspect, not being there and having the diagnosis itself.

 

[Drain Bamaged]

On the topic of the individuals who engage in MBI using fake social media accounts for personal gain, here is a study with 3 cases and 4 individuals engaging in MBI using fake personae to further their acts. It’s from 2011 so the use of today’s social media isn’t a factor. Full link here: https://www.researchgate.net/public...rnet_Current_Perspectives_and_Three_New_Cases



Starts off MBI but ends OTT By Proxy By Internet

Spoiler: Case 1 - Andrea (aka Brittney, Chris)

Andrea, a 40-year-old single mother, began posting on an ovarian cancer forum that she had concerns over her worsening abdominal pain. At first, she sought advice and confirmation from other forum members, mostly cancer ptients, of her suspicion that her symptoms reflected undiagnosed ovarian cancer. Her early posts reflected an extensive knowledge of oncology, derived from on-line research and her education in nursing. Shortly after joining the forum, Andrea announced to the group that she had indeed been diagnosed with ovarian cancer, stage 4. Over the ensuing weeks, she continued logging on frequently, eventually posing as her own 17-year-old daughter, Brittney, whose posts unflinchingly documented her mother’s rapidly failing health with descriptive, medically astute observations. By the time Brittney logged on to report that her mother had finally been defeated in her battle with cancer, several forum members had developed close relationships with the mother-daughter dyad and were communicating through e-mail and text messaging, as well as the occasional phone conversation.

Only weeks following Andrea’s death, Brittney’s boyfriend, Chris, entered the charade, signing onto the forum to share that Brittney had, astonishingly enough, just received a diagnosis of ovarian cancer as well. Group members were devastated by the sudden influx of tragic news. During this time, Brittney called one of her on-line friends during a supposed chemotherapy session, begging her “to make them stop.” Chris regularly updated the group on Brittney’s own brief and ultimately tragic struggle with cancer, proposing marriage to her shortly before her death. Chris remained an active forum member after both the mother and daughter had died, soliciting sympathy and friendship. Suspicions were finally aroused when he began romantically pursuing another forum member. One group member contacted the health department and determined that neither Brittney nor Andrea’s deaths were documented. After being confronted, Andrea confessed both publicly and on an individual basis to her cyber-deception and the use of sock puppets. After astounded fellow community members expressed their anger and disappointment, she left the group.

After her confession about the original pretense, she shared her “real” personal history with one forum member, describing a woe-be-gone past filled with sexual abuse, domestic violence, and parental neglect that also strained credulity. In an extraordinary coincidence months after the deceptions, Andrea’s real-life daughter (who was not involved in the MBI acts) was diagnosed with what appears to be a genuine case of leukemia. Andrea has recently joined an on-line social networking site to provide updates on her daughter’s health, continuing to benefit vicariously from the sick role in a kind of “Munchausen by proxy by Internet.” Prior to her daughter’s leukemia diagnosis, Andrea reenacted the whole scenario on at least two occasions: once in an autoimmune disease forum and again in the original ovarian cancer forum, using different sets of characters.

This one involves actual real life siblings working together in MBI acts. Drew and Gina are siblings, but also included is Drew’s actual, real life girlfriend, Faith.

Spoiler: Case 2 - Brother & Sister dyad

In this case, a brother-sister dyad created an elaborate ruse to lure a woman into providing time and attention under false pretences. Elizabeth, the “victim,” had multiple sclerosis and was seeking support on-line through a popular social networking website, hoping to connect with others coping with chronic illness. Drew, the brother, introduced himself to Elizabeth, explaining that his mother suffered from multiple sclerosis and that his girlfriend, Faith, had recently been diagnosed with terminal cancer. Elizabeth and Drew quickly developed an intimate friendship but, because Drew always had a multitude of excuses for why he could never speak over the phone, they communicated solely through instant messaging and e-mail. Faith and Drew’s sister, Gina, became friendly with Elizabeth as well and she would speak regularly on the phone with both.

From the start, Drew disclosed deeply personal information, revealing a past full of tragedies, including sexual abuse and testicular cancer. After he broke up with his girlfriend, Faith, he expressed romantic interest in Elizabeth and, although their relationship continued to exist only in cyberspace, they became increasingly close. During the next few months, he related a series of heartrending events: he had been diagnosed with Hodgkin’s lymphoma; Faith, who had miraculously recovered from her incurable cancer, miscarried their baby; his mother became critically ill with pneumonia; and his father died of a heart attack. Equally invested in the scheme, Gina reinforced her brother’s disclosures by frequently citing the same misfortunes that Drew had described and never said anything that conflicted with his accounts. It was a grief-stricken Gina who finally called Elizabeth to share the news that Drew had become so depressed over these events that he had committed suicide.

The brother and sister’s deceitful manipulations did not, however, conclude with Drew’s supposed death. Instead, Gina introduced Elizabeth to several new men over the Internet. These new sock puppets, operating under Gina and Drew’s scheming, offered their own devastatingly sad and complicated life histories, replete with more instances of cancer, multiple sclerosis, and sudden death in their immediate families.
After half a year of engaging in time-consuming and emotionally demanding relationships with Drew, Gina, and their host of characters, Elizabeth finally became suspicious. Her disbelief grew, but she failed to confront the brother and sister, even after recognizing it was a hoax. Elizabeth remained in contact with Drew and Gina, allowing the pair to continue their ploy until they lost interest. Several years following these events, Elizabeth received an update about the brother and sister from Faith, who was indeed a real individual and not involved in the deception. It appears that Drew and Gina’s family eventually became aware of their MBI activities and have placed them in an unspecified treatment program.

My favorite study, here. It actually has what I consider a happy ending. Even though it is not happy.

Spoiler: Case 3 - Helen (aka Isabelle, Justin)

After being diagnosed with a chronic illness, Helen sought to better understand her rare condition by turning to Internet resources for more information. Her research led her to discover an on-line support community, something she had not been aware even existed. Intrigued, she joined a support group designed specifically for people with her disease.

Despite having a history of psychological problems including adjustment disorder, obsessive compulsive personality disorder, and depression, it appears her initial objective to join this group was nonpathological; she earnestly wished to gather information from others afflicted with the same disease. However, her motivation to be an active user transformed after joining, once she experienced the warm, empathic reception she was accorded by the community members. She was surprised and delighted by the nurturing relationships she quickly established, claiming,“I have never felt more loved and cared for in my life.”
Eager to solicit further attention, Helen created the persona Isabelle, who introduced herself to the support group as Helen’s good friend, one who needed to share some disheartening news: Helen had fallen into a coma. Group members reacted to this information with great distress and compassion, which compelled Helen to conceive a complex storyline involving this character. Isabelle began communicating regularly with group members through the support group chatroom, developing even closer relationships. Eventually, after several weeks of failing health, Isabelle announced to these friends that she had been diagnosed with stage 4 gastric cancer. Her body was deteriorating rapidly and she was hospitalized, leading her boyfriend Justin to join the support group so he could supply frequent updates on her progress. Following Isabelle’s death, Justin, unsurprisingly, became seriously ill and spent a great deal of time conversing with other group users, lamenting the tragic end of his love affair with Isabelle and his own anticipated demise.

Clearly, Helen was not content to end this chronicle with Justin’s death. She introduced two new characters, Justin’s father and sister, to carry on the story after he, too, passed away. Helen also fabricated two other storylines, including one that featured an ailing mother who tragically lost two children to illness.

Eventually, after nearly a year devoted to performing under these various alia ses, Helen learned of MBI when it was casually mentioned in a group discussion. She researched the diagnosis and identified with its description, prompting her to post a confession on her support group’s website. She expressed deep remorse for her actions and, practically pleading for punishment, offered up personal information, including her true name and telephone number. Helen also announced to the group that she had referred herself to a psychiatrist and was seeking psychotherapy to “put all of this behavior behind me.”

Spoiler: “Thoughts”

I find it interesting how when extra characters are added to specific forums, there’s no reported concern from other forum members about why they continue to stay after the reported ‘death’ of the ill characters. But shouldn’t loved ones of sick people be more focused on people they know in person or are individually close to? If a loved one of mine died or slipped into a coma, some obscure internet board will not be notified unless the ill person previously asked me to notify said obscure internet board prior to becoming unable to post on their own.

Case 1 - Andrea’s daughter deserves better. If Andrea was willing to go those lengths online, what was she like in real life? Is she still like this today? Did Andrea go to the same extents to be in control of social situations outside of the internet? Brittney, the daughter, has had to deal with her mother’s antics her whole life, then she had to deal with her mother’s drama while being sick herself. I could imagine that Andrea’s ambassador role was just as, if not more, excessive in the real world. Or, possibly, Brittney was in the dark

Case 2 - It’s so incredibly bizarre that siblings would engage in this together, and that a third party (the girlfriend of the brother) would also be involved in any capacity. But enough of the liars. The emotion, time, and attention that Elizabeth, the victim, gave to those malingerers is extensive. It’s sad that she continued to devote so much of herself to the fake personae, even after she had suspicions or confirmation that she was being taken advantage of. It’s even sadder to think that she gave so much of herself despite her being actually legitimately ill. She kept giving until the siblings decided to stop taking. It’s very sad.



Case 3 - Helen proves that not all cases of MBI are irredeemable by default. It’s praiseworthy how, once she took a step back and realized what she was doing was wrong, she immediately ended the charade and confessed to her group members. That totally surprised me. I don’t engage in MBI, but if I faced the same realization I likely would have opted to silently fade away instead of doxxing myself as repentance.

11 years have passed since this case study was originally published. I hope that Helen from Case 3 and the siblings from Case 2 responded well to psychiatric treatment for MBI behavior. I hope Andrea’s daughter recovered from her Leukemia. For her daughter’s sake, I hope Andrea dropped these antics and began to focus more on her sick daughter instead of the attention she gets as a sick person, or as the mother of a sick person.

Highlights:
“Only weeks following Andrea’s death, Brittney’s boyfriend, Chris, entered the charade, signing onto the forum to share that Brittney had, astonishingly enough, just received a diagnosis of ovarian cancer as well.”

“After her confession about the original pretense, she shared her ‘real’ personal history....”

“Faith, who had miraculously recovered from her incurable cancer,”

“Following Isabelle’s death, Justin, unsurprisingly, became seriously ill...”

 

[SashaBastion]

Tell me to bore off if there’s been a deepshit conversation already on this, but… why are so many of our “extreme munchies” munching their way out of anorexia/EDs and into real alarming displays of self induced harm? Which of course is subsequently met with torturous medical treatments and interventions… can’t for the life with me understand why.

Is it a coping method/a way to rational weight desperation etc?

 

[TomBradysVagina]

Tell me to bore off if there’s been a deepshit conversation already on this, but… why are so many of our “extreme munchies” munching their way out of anorexia/EDs and into real alarming displays of self induced harm? Which of course is subsequently met with torturous medical treatments and interventions… can’t for the life with me understand why.

Is it a coping method/a way to rational weight desperation etc?

My opinion.. besides all the regular mental illness stuff.. They want attention for being sick. Eventually the normal small stuff gets old.and boring. But, more serious stuff needs actual symptoms, test results, real causes. They can't just trick doctors anymore. So they have to induce all that. After that there's no stopping the spiral.

 

[discombobulated]

Paige is on the grift...

Not sure where she lives, or who her friend is but not sure why she needs money for a two hour taxi ride - get a fucking bus, you scroungers.

 

[cuttysnark]

Just stick that flappy claw out and hitchhike Paigey. New Zealand is safe right?

 

[NoReturn]

I had no idea it had infected the Koreans

 

[Kate Farms Shill]

Paige is on the grift...

Not sure where she lives, or who her friend is but not sure why she needs money for a two hour taxi ride - get a fucking bus, you scroungers.

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Her friend is Gaby Bailey of Warkworth NZ.


Paige is in or near Auckland, an hour south. I guess depending on where in Auckland and the traffic two hours makes sense.

 

[Flourishing Pinecone ❧]

Her friend is Gaby Bailey of Warkworth NZ.

Google says that's 1.5hr on two buses.
Fuck off Paige lol.

 

[AnotherLolAnon]

Lookee here. A crosspost between one of my favorite non-munchies to snark at, Erica "Eeka" McLeod, and this obvious munchie with EDS and POTS who like totally needs that wheelchair despite throwing herself on the ground.

 

[OrSoHelpMe]

Lookee here. A crosspost between one of my favorite non-munchies to snark at, Erica "Eeka" McLeod, and this obvious munchie with EDS and POTS who like totally needs that wheelchair despite throwing herself on the ground.

The core strength and muscle control to dance like that - polished and practiced, and the wheelchair looks like it's just a prop. I know sometimes people are part time wheelchair users, even though that's not really recommended in EDS, especially when you can still move like this, but this really looks like something other than "I am poor EDS sufferer, had to stop dancing, look at me go"

EDIT: thanks for the recommendation, reading about Eeka now.

 

[vanilla_pepsi_head]

Tell me to bore off if there’s been a deepshit conversation already on this, but… why are so many of our “extreme munchies” munching their way out of anorexia/EDs and into real alarming displays of self induced harm? Which of course is subsequently met with torturous medical treatments and interventions… can’t for the life with me understand why.

Is it a coping method/a way to rational weight desperation etc?

I've sperged about this before somewhere but not sure where so pardon the repetition, but I do have a theory.

Anorexics commonly have the perfectionist personality type and are nearly always hard on themselves. If it's severe they are constantly hounded by everyone about their health and that they need to take it easy, and are often forced into treatment. If this happens at a young age, and especially if they are ever inpatient, it becomes the norm to have many doctors' appointments and your own medical shit being the constant topic of discussion. Even if they don't love the attention or "sick role" they sometimes just get used to it. If they recover they no longer have their method of feeling like they're meeting their own high expectations, and if they haven't developed a healthy or realistic outlook on this, they might cope by taking it to the extreme and munching out. After all, if you're "severely handicapped" then performing every unremarkable activity must have to exceed expectations because they're hella low now, right? I don't really like using the word "ableist" but it really is a disgusting attitude, you never heard Stephen Hawking demand asspats for going to Disney even though he was low on spoons that day, or any disabled person publicly oversharing about bodily functions. That is what private support groups are for, but they've taken those over too. It is not a coincidence that BPD is so fucking prevalent in the ones who follow the ED to munchie pipeline. Also not a coincidence that so many "recovered" anorexics only keep a decent weight because they are instead horrible alcoholics or develop some other gnarly drug problem to deal with life instead, or that ED>munchies end up loving their opiates/ketamine/benzos so much.

There are other things at play here, like anorexia having high correlation with being anxious to the point of psychosomatic symptoms or health anxiety and hyperfixation, severe EDs causing some actual medical problems (gastroparesis basically guaranteed, for one), looking for any excuse to explain excessive weight loss, frailty or a bizarre/highly-controlled diet, and for the ones who purge, doing so through a feeding tube is a matter of convenience. However, I think all that is secondary.

tl;dr weirdo outliers exist, but there's a reason Florida Women follow the formula, it's like addiction transfer for BPD's who can't cope with life.

 

[RacerDee]

KFS, resident scholar, has explained some possible connections between failure to launch/ED/munching earlier in the thread. It was interesting and referenced historical examples and gave reading material too. Maybe if you search her posts in this thread, you can find and read them!

Applicable to the above poster, but also to all newcomers.

 

[Totallyunknown]

So, I was put on this lady (I think) because I had been following a similar case in the Tard Baby thread but I think it's probably a better overall fit here and I cannot get this woman out of my mind. I've never tried to complete a write up on anyone but I thought I'd try an introduction for those who might be interested.

Dre McCray (35 years old) was a MLM shill on Facebook for many years while livestreaming portions of her life to half a million followers. She is married to a young (late 20s) veteran (discharged due to a knee injury) and they have three kids (two are hers from a previous relationship). She is also an ex-communicated Jehovah's Witness. Her scam was/is (more on this..) selling $5.00 jewelry through Paparazzi.

So why am I bringing her to this threads attention?

In 2017ish, Dre began claiming a number of issues causing her pain such a fibromyalgia and RA. Her husband seemed to suffer from lingering injuries from his time in service as well as "emotional issues". At some point one of her followers suggests that she try kratom. She also starts taking valerian root and passionflower in huge doses. However, she also begins feeding her husband large doses of all three of these as well as other random herbal remedies.

In 2019, her husband develops severe seizures. She had convinced her husband that pharmaceuticals and hospitals are bad and they will only go for "life threatening emergencies". Her husband begins suffering multiple seizures a day while giving him massive doses of kratom and claiming he has developed seizures because of his childhood trauma that he bottled up inside due to him calling out for his parents after one of his seizures in a rare hospital visit.

She continues to live stream a lot of this,including fights with her husband, talking about the special teas she gives to her children (who also have now suffered from seizures) in between shilling her cheap jewelry. You'll notice she's lost a massive amount of weight and is pretty sickly thin now as well. There are videos (unfortunately) of her husband having these seizures as she stuffs kratom and valerian root into his mouth while repeating the lords prayer (it's as fucked up as it sounds).

Fast forward to May of this year and she tells her followers her husband is in the hospital in a coma. She does not provide immediate details as to why he's in the hospital but that the doctors have declared him brain dead (this is how I found this whole situation in relation to the tard baby thread) . She does not believe he's brain dead and that his brain will heal and he will recover. She does not tell his parents who find out over social media. They fly across the country to see their son in hospital and on livestream she refuses to let them into the room and argues with hospital staff for them to be removed because they said mean things about her online (pretty much a direct quote).

The police report is then leaked and it turns out her husband hung himself in a shed in the backyard immediately following an argument with Dre. In the report it mentions she gave him a tea and that he left to calm down. She checked on him 30 minutes later and found him hanging in the shed.

She has now also livestreamed multiple times from the hospital room with his dead body, singing to him and shilling her $5.00 jewelry to her followers.

I think in the past three weeks, this story had broken from the MLM groups into wider interest as I initially found an introduction through CC Suarez, who covered her previously regarding her MLM practices.

Theres honestly SO MUCH material I cannot possibly bring it all to you in a post so here's a few links to videos that have already collected a lot of her clips. People believe she has MBP'd her husband and she has children she's doing it to as well. I know it's not the usual kind of person posted here but ... someone besides me really should see this.

MLM-related coverage

Deep dive with lots of livestream clips

 

[son of jurassic bark]

So, I was put on this lady (I think) because I had been following a similar case in the Tard Baby thread but I think it's probably a better overall fit here and I cannot get this woman out of my mind. I've never tried to complete a write up on anyone but I thought I'd try an introduction for those who might be interested.

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Dre McCray (35 years old) was a MLM shill on Facebook for many years while livestreaming portions of her life to half a million followers. She is married to a young (late 20s) veteran (discharged due to a knee injury) and they have three kids (two are hers from a previous relationship). She is also an ex-communicated Jehovah's Witness. Her scam was/is (more on this..) selling $5.00 jewelry through Paparazzi.

So why am I bringing her to this threads attention?

In 2017ish, Dre began claiming a number of issues causing her pain such a fibromyalgia and RA. Her husband seemed to suffer from lingering injuries from his time in service as well as "emotional issues". At some point one of her followers suggests that she try kratom. She also starts taking valerian root and passionflower in huge doses. However, she also begins feeding her husband large doses of all three of these as well as other random herbal remedies.
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In 2019, her husband develops severe seizures. She had convinced her husband that pharmaceuticals and hospitals are bad and they will only go for "life threatening emergencies". Her husband begins suffering multiple seizures a day while giving him massive doses of kratom and claiming he has developed seizures because of his childhood trauma that he bottled up inside due to him calling out for his parents after one of his seizures in a rare hospital visit.

She continues to live stream a lot of this,including fights with her husband, talking about the special teas she gives to her children (who also have now suffered from seizures) in between shilling her cheap jewelry. You'll notice she's lost a massive amount of weight and is pretty sickly thin now as well. There are videos (unfortunately) of her husband having these seizures as she stuffs kratom and valerian root into his mouth while repeating the lords prayer (it's as fucked up as it sounds).

Fast forward to May of this year and she tells her followers her husband is in the hospital in a coma. She does not provide immediate details as to why he's in the hospital but that the doctors have declared him brain dead (this is how I found this whole situation in relation to the tard baby thread) . She does not believe he's brain dead and that his brain will heal and he will recover. She does not tell his parents who find out over social media. They fly across the country to see their son in hospital and on livestream she refuses to let them into the room and argues with hospital staff for them to be removed because they said mean things about her online (pretty much a direct quote).

The police report is then leaked and it turns out her husband hung himself in a shed in the backyard immediately following an argument with Dre. In the report it mentions she gave him a tea and that he left to calm down. She checked on him 30 minutes later and found him hanging in the shed.

She has now also livestreamed multiple times from the hospital room with his dead body, singing to him and shilling her $5.00 jewelry to her followers.

I think in the past three weeks, this story had broken from the MLM groups into wider interest as I initially found an introduction through CC Suarez, who covered her previously regarding her MLM practices.

Theres honestly SO MUCH material I cannot possibly bring it all to you in a post so here's a few links to videos that have already collected a lot of her clips. People believe she has MBP'd her husband and she has children she's doing it to as well. I know it's not the usual kind of person posted here but ... someone besides me really should see this.

MLM-related coverage

Deep dive with lots of livestream clips

Well fuck me

I think one of the worst ways to die would by African painted dogs, who are known to swarm in large numbers, rip into the midsection of prey, and rip them from limb to limb as they're still alive, and yes, they also do this to people. After learning that they do that, it's honestly one of the only satisfying outcomes I can imagine for people like this. Not prison, not social ostracization, not eye for an eye being treated to the same things they did to the victim, no. African painted dogs. Bitch needs to visit the zoo and lean a little too far over the barrier.

 

[buoyverificationfuel]

Tell me to bore off if there’s been a deepshit conversation already on this, but… why are so many of our “extreme munchies” munching their way out of anorexia/EDs and into real alarming displays of self induced harm? Which of course is subsequently met with torturous medical treatments and interventions… can’t for the life with me understand why.

Is it a coping method/a way to rational weight desperation etc?

1) Long term eating disorders do have a significant impact on someone's health. There's a decent chance they do have gastroparesis and some heart problems, along with other complications that aren't as common for munchies, like neurological damage, osteoporosis, kidney damage, and liver damage. That type of shit causes chronic pain even after recovery. If someone already has one of the munchie trifecta diagnoses, it's probably way easier to get sucked into the "community" validating all of your symptoms as being from EDS/POTS/etc.

2) This depends on what the "purpose" of the eating disorder is, but it could be just switching out one form of self-harm for another. Some people restrict and/or purge as a way to punish themself. Eating disorders are still heavily stigmatized, and a lot of people are under the impression that it's the sufferer's fault and if the person "just decided to eat" they would get better. It's not socially acceptable to have an ED.
But being sick isn't your fault. You can't get blamed for not getting better if it's beyond your control, and you have a medical condition explaining why you cannot just decide to eat.* And it's a free pass for self-destructive surgeries that cause plenty of pain, possibly even the risk of death. Pain means pain meds, and many people with eating disorders are also prone to addiction and substance abuse.
*Eating disorders aren't the person's fault either, and it's a valid medical condition. But since it's psychiatric instead of physical in origin, it's easier for the average person to blame the patient.

3) Depending on what they claim, munching can be a way to restrict intake and/or purge without being obvious ED behavior. Need a magic excuse to whip out at any time for why you can't eat a specific food? MCAS. Need a way to purge without smelling like puke and risking an esophageal rupture? Get a gastroparesis diagnosis and a morally dubious doctor, and you'll have a purge tube in no time! Are people accusing you of relapsing into your ED because you lost a massive amount of weight? Filthy ableists, it's obviously all from gastroparesis.

Speaking of hardcore anorexics turned self-harming munchie...

Paige is on the grift...

Not sure where she lives, or who her friend is but not sure why she needs money for a two hour taxi ride - get a fucking bus, you scroungers.

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She very recently became an official approved subject on illnessfakers. She probably got a large influx of followers, some of whom think she is an innocent victim of the evil ableist reddit bullies. This probably looks like a great opportunity to earn some cash/gifts, especially if she is not yet aware of where her new audience came from.

For anyone new to Paige:
Here is a massive photo dump by KFS.
Here are her mom's posts on the anorexia forum. Highlights include her mom admitting Paige has munchausen's and that the doctors cannot stop her from making herself sick, so they're just letting her fulfill her death with.