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Cartoon Industry thread - Showcasing the Spergery of the Animation Industry
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I may have been burned by this too. Somehow. Some primal memory. Either that or it's cursedness has imprinted on me.
From what I can tell there's a lot of drama but you can only get scraps posted on message boards from ex-members. The entire thing vanished overnight in the mid 2000's and there's almost no archives.
For reference, the VHS tapes they used to offer were considered lost media until recently when cow RebelFoxxy procured them from a mysterious benefactor and started illegally selling them.
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I'm not the one saying they're the same thing, and I disagree with what you stand by. If some aspiring animator or comic book illustrator came out of the faggy internet smut environment then of course they're going to continue drawing cal-arts porn, browsing shitty R34 porn might be what got them to draw in the first place, they were part of a community were doing that was normal and like a fatty turd they floated to the top. Saying that all artists and illustrators are exactly like these internet weirdos is being disingenuous.
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I'm not saying all artists and illustrators are exactly like these internet weirdos. I'm saying the vast majority of artists have drawn erotic content in the past, even if they've never showed it to anyone.
Ask any artist whose focus is drawing humans whether or not they've drawn erotic art, either for practice or just for personal enjoyment. 95% of them, if they're being honest, will say they have done so at some point in their career. Even if it's just a few sketches of bare-titted characters that they immediately threw in the trash out of shame or prudishness. If you pick artists that started drawing in their teens, that's a full 99%. Drawing sexy shit is just something artists do. It's part of learning how to draw people. They don't get out of those live drawing classes carrying only thoughts about the technical nuances of anatomical knowledge.
Whether it's shitty CalArts animators or fucking Leonardo da Vinci, when you're trading in the human form titillation is just something that happens. There's no standard of purity here, just because Michelangelo probably had some bare tits in his sketchbooks, doesn't mean he's not a master. And just because some Nickelodeon animator drew Spongebob fucking Sandy doesn't mean he's on the same level as a grandmaster. It just means both were artists, artists are human, and humans are fucking horny. And yeah, I'll call them degenerates for it, because they're going beyond what most people do when they're horny.
And none of this justifies morons publishing or even sharing porn of underaged characters they had drawn professionally in the past. Besides being morally reprehensible, that's just a supremely stupid career move.
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That's my point, you are equating people with these weirdos. There's a lot of caveats in your post but it boils down to "they all do it" and suddenly there's a quarter of an inch distance between shadman and spray painting a crude cock on a wall as a teen.
The bottom line is that I think that the idea that ALL artists draw porn is bogus and the important word here is "porn" as opposed to nudity. Zorn painted nude women(and american presidents), that's not porn. Odd Nerdrum painted a very explicit painting of a woman taking a shit in a forest among other things, it's still not porn it is just... Odd, not erotic.
I think the communities these cartoonists spawn from is the problem because it normalizes doing these things and sharing it. These communities are a new phenomenon so the screwy nature of it can't be retroactively applied to the past and past artists didn't have an "after dark" account or DeviantArt in the way certain people in fandoms think is perfectly normal because of the insular nature of those groups.
In a way there's an OnlyFans attitude towards it. Can't judge. Perfectly normal, perfectly healthy, everyone does it.
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I used to have one of those! They came with the VHS tape, but I lost it years ago and never forgave myself.
(Some of the smells included; blueberries, peanut butter, and yes, feet.)
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Not sure if this is post-worthy, but here’s the context surrounding this:
I’m sure in the future, you’re going to see more of these kinds of things happening as time moves forward with new-age “cartoons” being incredibly disliked by their creators for not being “progressive“ enough for their liking.
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Glad to know I wasn't the only one who thought that cartoon was an abomination.
Anyway, if the winds change enough I'm sure at least some people are going to be going in the opposite direction from what you mentioned. Making claims about being "forced" to work on some doomed-to-fail megawoke cartoon and what have you.
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TF? I loved Taz-Mania. I thought the juxtaposition and irony of Taz coming from a deliberately, almost painfully stereotypical milktoast Leave-It-To-Beaver family was funny. I mean, some characters like the Platypus Brothers outstayed their welcome very quickly, and the 4th wall Animaniacs style 'we're all actors in a show' theme was relied on too much as the writers ran out of ideas, but for a while there it was fine.
It reminds me of reports that Tiny Toons was a bitch to work on, though it's hard to pinpoint any more than rumors from one or two John K style misanthropes.
Anyway, I take the middle prediction between you guys. There may be some wokists who sigh that they weren't allowed to be so progressive as to put scissoring and MAPs in kids cartoons, but other than that I think they're living the dream, shitting things up with their terminally online postmodern millenial sensibilities.
It reminds me of reports that Tiny Toons was a bitch to work on, though it's hard to pinpoint any more than rumors from one or two John K style misanthropes.
Anyway, I take the middle prediction between you guys. There may be some wokists who sigh that they weren't allowed to be so progressive as to put scissoring and MAPs in kids cartoons, but other than that I think they're living the dream, shitting things up with their terminally online postmodern millenial sensibilities.
While we're on the subject on cartoonists hating on their personal work, Seth MacFarlane still hates The Cleveland Show (among certain products he's made), especially even today. This one isn't news to anyone, especially how Seth and his writers keep shoehorning in a few Family Guy episodes about his work that he still regrets doing.
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Even as a kid I remember that show being a bit bitter and focusing way too hard on the side characters over Taz to the point where the theme song even points out that he's basically a forgettable side character.
Kind of curious about these, all I've heard regarding the production was the bits involving weirdos going after Babs' VA and how much she hated it.
Kind of curious about these, all I've heard regarding the production was the bits involving weirdos going after Babs' VA and how much she hated it.
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The peanut butter one probably smells worse than the feet.
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Tbh, the fish was the worst one. Foot was a close second. PB smelled like fake Reese's cup.
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Wait, we're talking about this Greg Duffell, right?
He only directed one episode. Why the fuck are we taking him at his word, again?
He only directed one episode. Why the fuck are we taking him at his word, again?
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Dude, it's not just directors that work on cartoons. Or who get to have opinions on the product they're working on.
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IMDB’s Taz-Mania page is pretty bad. I don’t think they have correct credits for every episode.
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Unless someone has the time to peruse through all 65 episodes' credits, would the fan-wiki fare better, then? I just want to know how relevant Greg was in the involvement of Taz-Mania, if he was someone behind the scenes who saw it all the way through, or if he was just some rando tumbleweed of the cartoon industry who was brought on for a little bit.
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So recently a youtuber by the name of Scott Cramer recently made a video where he shares his opinion about the recent Nick shows like Kamp Koral, The Rugrats reboot, and Fairly OddParents: Fairly Odder.
It's obviously meant to be a joke video with some understandable opinions, but like fucking clockwork... these people came for him
It's obviously meant to be a joke video with some understandable opinions, but like fucking clockwork... these people came for him
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>"Rugrats was always ugly"
Yes, Arin, but there was still charm to the 2D nature of its style that's lost and only amplified the ugliness in CGI. And also, the CGI show literally just does shot-for-shot remakes of the original episodes. showcasing its laziness and what may be a subconscious desire to erase the past and replace it with copies. It literally does nothing new, and is just a waste of space and actual talent.
Then again, Arin can probably relate to that, albeit he'd be in denial of it.
Yes, Arin, but there was still charm to the 2D nature of its style that's lost and only amplified the ugliness in CGI. And also, the CGI show literally just does shot-for-shot remakes of the original episodes. showcasing its laziness and what may be a subconscious desire to erase the past and replace it with copies. It literally does nothing new, and is just a waste of space and actual talent.
Then again, Arin can probably relate to that, albeit he'd be in denial of it.