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I wonder how much power chat takes in annually. Based on a CA law https://oag.ca.gov/privacy/ccpa
If you request it, companies making over 25m/year in revenue (not profit) will have to comply with the request, we'll as any other companies (in this case the web of llc's if you donated to someone paying fees) that were used in providing that service. It doesn't seem like the punishment for failure to comply is that severe though so I don't know if they could even be forced to comply.
 
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Honeypot theories aside for a second, I think the very least they're doing is selling data.

Theres enough information you can capture to profile people based on age, location etc, which data warehouses will pay a lot of money for.

In the before time, when I used to work in marketing, when you bought data for a targeted campaign it was highly specific. You could have it segregated by any criteria you wanted. Companies that are selling this kind of data pull from various sources and mash them together to profile people for you, ie if you wanted to target your campaign at anyone in a city earning 50K a year, they could do that in a heartbeat and hand over a spreadsheet full of email and postal addresses. PayPal information is definitely one of those sources. I've heard it first hand.

None of your personal data is sacrosanct, no matter what a website's T&Cs may tell you. The fact that PowerChat is outright telling you they will distribute your data and are quite brazen about it is quite eye opening.

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A "submission" in this context, is not limited to you just calling Baked a fag for a couple of dollars. Its anything you enter (or give consent to collect, ie your PayPal info) on their site.
As a cynic, I too would expect any company to misuse my personal information, because they do for everyone else. But looking at these TOS, honest and naive paypigs may have a reason to expect their personal information wouldn't be leaked to malicious third parties.

For starters, I'm not so sure a "Submission" includes every piece of information submitted to Powerchat, unless "Services" is synonymous with Powerchat itself. But why would "services" include things like billing and personal information? "Services" is capitalized in the TOS, but not defined. The closest I can find to a description of Powerchat's services is on the front page:
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https://powerchat.live/
The "service" Powerchat provides for "supporters" is a conduit for "paid chats," while allowing supporters to "remain anonymous, or provide their name along with an optional message." That is what is advertised anyway. So if you're a supporter, "the materials you provide, post, upload, input, or submit to the Services," i.e. a "Submission," refers to the information you type in the text field of the "paid chat" feature. That would not give Powerchat or "affiliated companies" permission to "copy, distribute, transmit, publicly display, publicly perform, reproduce, edit, translate and reformat your" personal information.

Elsewhere, the TOS and Privacy Policy do make some representation about how personal information is handled with respect to "third parties:"
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https://powerchat.live/privacy-policy
(Keep in mind, Baked Alaska is not a "third party".) So while Powerchat says it won't "sell, rent, or lease its customer lists," it can "share data with trusted partners," and it appears "data" includes "personal information." Who are "trusted partners?" That term is not defined. Is America First a trusted partner? What about AF-affiliated streamers who also use Powerchat?

The OP notes that if you use third-party websites such as PayPal, and they're linked with a PowerChat account, your doxx will be available to streamers who receive your donation through Powerchat. This is what Powerchat says about that:
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https://powerchat.live/privacy-policy
I don't think it can be any clearer. If you use Powerchat with your PayPal or GooglePay accounts, "YOU ARE CONSENTING TO THE CONTINUOUS RELEASE OF INFORMATION ABOUT YOU TO OTHERS." This is likely what happened with Beardson Beardsley, when he doxxed his $1.00 paypig over a perceived sleight.

Finally:
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The "exceptions" listed effectively swallow this "Right to Deletion" of personal information.

Overall, I think it's worse if the TOS provide assurances of privacy, security, etc., because it induces people to rely on those terms. Based on the representations Powerchat has made, donators to Kino Casino could expect that Baked Alaska would not use Powerchat as a doxx list to help friends such as Ethan Ralph or Nick Fuentes get personal revenge. Obviously that would be very naive, but the TOS suggest personal information would not be used in this way. Otherwise, if you linked PayPal or GooglePay to your PowerChat account, you're fucked, your doxx are out there, and you really should have known better.
 
For starters, I'm not so sure a "Submission" includes every piece of information submitted to Powerchat, unless "Services" is synonymous with Powerchat itself. But why would "services" include things like billing and personal information? "Services" is capitalized in the TOS, but not defined. The closest I can find to a description of Powerchat's services is on the front page:

"Submission" is one of the legal catch-all terms that can cover any eventuality.

Theres a specific legal term for them that I can't remember right now, but I remember an enlightening conversation with an IP lawyer a few years back, who said that even though the internet has existed in some form or another for 30 years or more, the legal system still hasn't nailed down the specifics. Which is why it took decades for clickwrap agreements to become legally binding (and even now can be wriggled out of in some cases), and why you still have nebulous terms like "submissions".

You would think the term would be the contents of your donation messages, the media you use etc. It implies "content". The reality is it's your interaction with the site itself. I cherry picked the submissions section because of this. That assumption that its just message content or the media that you've used makes it "safe", because most sites lay claim to that sort of thing, just like an employer can lay claim to anything you create while you're working for them (depending on what field you're working in, obviously).

I think PowerChat is an interesting one given the context of the people involved with it, how its being used and potential conflicts of interest there (whether thats ideological or financial). Knowing who is behind it all and who is using it just tickles my autism.
 
Interesting. I have a small online business and until recently PayPal processed a majority of payments. I wanted to see how far back they store information. There’s a customer list feature and mine goes as far back as 2013.

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If the donation was handled through PayPal they 100% have access to their full details.
 
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supporting gay shit is gay like I get shit like maybe a charity or even some fag eceleb like markiplier who is inoffensive at least but why some bottom tier grifters who are literally going to end up wasting the money on drugs and whores and get you in trouble anyway? To own da libs? Just buy a gun and shoot a troon instead. In Minecraft
 
they obviously dont do that because a few streamers using powerchat have doxed and threatened to dox donators
Supposedly they used the information from Paypal, not powerchat.
The whole controversy was about if Powerchat has all the information too, not the streamer someone donates to.
 
So has anyone ever actually checked exactly how PayPal is embedded in powerchat?
There are ways to integrate PayPal that ensure that no payment information gets leaked out:
If I recall correctly, it's an opt out thing.
Chances are they didn't care and lifted sample code from the API.

We've made our case already, they can deboonk it all by making the thing open source and showing all the changes.
 
If I recall correctly, it's an opt out thing.
Chances are they didn't care and lifted sample code from the API.
That's way too much effort. This is the modern web, you use a plugin for whatever bloated JS frameworks you use.

Fortunately, I didn't have to go through all the trouble to make a test account to find out what they're using:
In Powerchat's bundled libraries, you'll find this module: https://www.npmjs.com/package/@paypal/react-paypal-js.
Which seems to be isolated using new windows and iframes.
 
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Jaden McNeil is now saying...a year later...

The 3rd person on the board. Baked/Loulz/...and 'Alty/Alti/altee' (Sp?).

This "alty" is a member of sussy squad home of UX/Blck Swan....two homosexual with no ethical code outside of worshipping Nick Fuentes.


Please post the relevant clips here of all Power Chat info.
 
leaked dm of baked alaska and kinochet from jaden stream
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i understand the talking points from jaden and kino casino right now
from a moral standpoint, powerchat is righteous for banning the groypers and cozy streamers

however, from business perspective powerchat is fucked for banning more than a dozens of their userbase
we'll see how it's going to play out from now

as of now i'm voting to just delete powerchat and make something new instead, their brand name already got tainted by their association with america first

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i feel like i've been taking loulz side on this whole thing drama with kino casino, but after watching jaden stream from today i feel like loulz lied about some things from his killstream interview from a couple days ago

loulz refused to ban groypers from the service because they haven't broke any tos
i still stand by his choice not banning any groypers/cozy since powerchat was designed as anti-deplatforming alternative to streamlabs and the others
if he starts banning people then he's opening the floodgates

plus loulz said he's in debt multiple times on his own stream so he have the motivation for not banning people from powerchat

user payment informations are not stored on powerchat (see ralph powerchat leaks), it's all coming from the payment processor (stripe, paypal, etc)
you can see ralph powerchat leak here

most of the donations look like this

stripe​

2023-02-14 04:23 GMT​

Anonymous​

$3.00​

You were jims flava flav? Weird concept ngl
so
- payment processor
- date and time
- username
- donation amount
- donation message

no credit card information no ip attached, still a correct statement

nobody ever get banned from powerchat (both jaden and kino casino just left the service)
jaden confirmed this today so still a correct statement

groypers are not involved with powerchat and fuentes never get any cut from it
now this is a lie
from baked alaska leaked dm with kinochet we learn that fuentes did at some point get a cut from powerchat
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but baked or the powerchat board stop giving fuentes anymore money because of some malicious reasons

the other point was groypers never involved in powerchat, well appearantly the third chair on the board of powerchat is an ex-groyper named alti
Jaden went over this post on stream last night

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he said this pic is the fursona of another groyper named Alti(?) who may also be involved with Power Chat
baked said that alti is now an ex-groyper and ralph said on jaden stream that every time he talks to alti he's a pro-ralphamale
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so at least a groyper was involved in the project, regardless of what he is right now he was a groypers when he got involved in powerchat

loulz refused to name people involved in powerchat because some people might harass them in real life
well now things got complicated, did loulz really mean it when he said that or he just don't want to named alti because he is/was a groypers and still involved in the board of powerchat
:thinking:

fuentes allegedly stole the source code and use it to make his own payment service
still allegedly, fuentes does have his own version of powerchat but he's the only one that using it (as far as i know)
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TL/DR :
- loulz is in debt so he have motivation for not banning people from powerchat
- fuentes did a get a cut from powerchat for a couple of months until january 2023
- the third chair of powerchat board is someone named alti who is/was a groypers (according to jaden he's sussy squad member)

did i miss anything ?
 
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