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Then by the time Disney buys Lucasfilm these people pretend they were more well adjusted irl than they actually were at the time. The prequels were like the holocaust mixed with 9/11 in their minds. Then there's the overblown Ewok hate OT purists seem to have. I know this is from a comedy TV show but people actually believed this stuff back then.

Sorry but you need to grow up.
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Failure is the greatest teacher. Star Wars was for children. Now it's for adults, the way it was meant to be.
They even had the gall to bring this fag on to the set of TFA to see if it met with his "approval" and even giving him a fucking role in the movie. It was a movie by bitter xoomers for bitter xoomers who got autistically angry when the tables were turned on them when people started attacking their shitty little sequels but with far less vitriol than their attacks on the prequels.
https://web.archive.org/web/2022072...7/simon-pegg-star-wars-fans-toxic-1234743842/ (in response to Reva's character backlash)
He says this shit after years of crap like this and even getting buttmad at the idea of kids liking toys.
His era of the fanbase of disgruntled 40 year old xoomers was far more "toxic" (by his definition) than any other fanbase in recent memory, yet he and fags like Andrew Dobson want to turn around and act as white knights for Disney because its the politically correct thing to do, so that gives them an edge while barely acknowledging how far worse and immature their own actions are. And in the end they always end it with "actually Trek is better" or "SW was never good" showing that SW wasn't even a thing they liked in particular, especially with how they'll talk about how they always disliked the Skywalkers or wanted them replaced. Even the indiewire article ends by pointing out Pegg's hypocrisy at the end lmao.

Its really amusing watching the tables turn.
Hell even my hate on disney wars is mostly confined to this thread most of the time instead of going around different forums or random fans at conventions losing my shit because kids liked a silly big eared frogman or a shitty soccer ball, with me at best only sharing my thoughts on Luke and Han's desecration when asked without even talking shit about Disney fag characters or only getting vocal when a disney circlejerk is outright pretentious and shitting on anything that's not part of the disney brand. Yet they keep trying to take the moral highground either because of politics or a massive hard on for Rey-Sue. The most obnoxious one is the fags over at Jedi Council Forums trying to lump the sequel haters with the prequel and eu haters, despite that the majority of them were said haters of old. Like I respect people who are critical of things, especially things they enjoy, but when they go around and denounce their past criticisms for the sake of politics or blatant bias based on horniness or branding just makes me pissed.

Edit: For hell's sake,
They retcon and dumb down Han and Leia's wedding even further by having the next shitty book make their reception and honeymoon take place on the godawful disney park hotel/cruise just to attract more people to the park for wedding larp.
 
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Get ready for more race-baiting!

Amandla Stenberg (apparently of "The Hunger Games" notoriety) will be starring in Disney's The Acolyte, as per the Star Wars Facebook page and her Instagram.
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Get ready for more race-baiting!

Amandla Stenberg (apparently of "The Hunger Games" notoriety) will be starring in Disney's The Acolyte, as per the Star Wars Facebook page and her Instagram.
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Great. More shameless shielding. Now you can't bash this piece of crap either without everyone calling you a racist again like they did with Kenobi, the sequels or Chuck Windbag's books, among others.
 
14 year old me when I watched the prequel trilogy:
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"Wow, this JarJar character is mildly annoying. Oh well."

30 year old Simon Pegg when he watched the prequel trilogy:
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"OH MY GOD, THIS JARJAR CHARACTER HAS RUINED STAR WARS FOREVER! I'M GOING TO GO TELL THE ACTOR TO KILL HIMSELF!!!"

Seriously, imagine being a bigger shithead in your 30s than I was at 14.
The Phantom Menace is a better watch with the Darth Jar Jar theory in mind.
 
This meme is stupid since Luke in TLJ only got there by acting extremely out of character, like if he didn't do that shit of trying to murder Kylo and tried to redeem him but it backfired, it could work. But even then Rian Johnson forgot the part that LUKE LEFT A DAMN MAP BEHIND FOR SOMEONE TO FIND HIM! Which everyone in the Sequel Trilogy planning forgot.
 
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Amandla Stenberg (apparently of "The Hunger Games" notoriety) will be starring in Disney's The Acolyte, as per the Star Wars Facebook page and her Instagram.
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Literally who?

They even had the gall to bring this fag on to the set of TFA to see if it met with his "approval" and even giving him a fucking role in the movie. It was a movie by bitter xoomers for bitter xoomers who got autistically angry when the tables were turned on them when people started attacking their shitty little sequels but with far less vitriol than their attacks on the prequels.
https://web.archive.org/web/2022072...7/simon-pegg-star-wars-fans-toxic-1234743842/ (in response to Reva's character backlash)
He says this shit after years of crap like this and even getting buttmad at the idea of kids liking toys.
His era of the fanbase of disgruntled 40 year old xoomers was far more "toxic" (by his definition) than any other fanbase in recent memory, yet he and fags like Andrew Dobson want to turn around and act as white knights for Disney because its the politically correct thing to do, so that gives them an edge while barely acknowledging how far worse and immature their own actions are. And in the end they always end it with "actually Trek is better" or "SW was never good" showing that SW wasn't even a thing they liked in particular, especially with how they'll talk about how they always disliked the Skywalkers or wanted them replaced. Even the indiewire article ends by pointing out Pegg's hypocrisy at the end lmao.

Its really amusing watching the tables turn.
Hell even my hate on disney wars is mostly confined to this thread most of the time instead of going around different forums or random fans at conventions losing my shit because kids liked a silly big eared frogman or a shitty soccer ball, with me at best only sharing my thoughts on Luke and Han's desecration when asked without even talking shit about Disney fag characters or only getting vocal when a disney circlejerk is outright pretentious and shitting on anything that's not part of the disney brand. Yet they keep trying to take the moral highground either because of politics or a massive hard on for Rey-Sue. The most obnoxious one is the fags over at Jedi Council Forums trying to lump the sequel haters with the prequel and eu haters, despite that the majority of them were said haters of old. Like I respect people who are critical of things, especially things they enjoy, but when they go around and denounce their past criticisms for the sake of politics or blatant bias based on horniness or branding just makes me pissed.

Edit: For hell's sake,
They retcon and dumb down Han and Leia's wedding even further by having the next shitty book make their reception and honeymoon take place on the godawful disney park hotel/cruise just to attract more people to the park for wedding larp.
That is exactly the problem I have with Pegg. He acts like a crybaby because he didn’t get the movies he wanted, and expects everyone to feel the same. I mean, comparing the prequels to “infanticide”? That’s a little overdramatic, don’t you think?
 
Someone already wrote a fanfiction on if that actually happened. Careful what you wish for buddy.

To be fair, the concept of Vader surviving RoTJ has been explored even in official what if comics (thats the one where we got white Vader...its both bizarre and cool)

Okay, I have to post this.

The real Luke Skywalker has the biggest heart out of all the characters in the complete saga.

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His compassion for others, his courage to obtain peace, and his persuasion for Anakin to see the error of his way is why he has remain a cornerstone to not just the franchise but to our childhood.

The What If Universe’s Luke is nothing more than a cowardly, moronic, lazy, and depressed hermit who’ll never top his true counterpart.

Thats why Legends Luke, for all the lows he went through, still is the true post RoTJ Luke Skywalker. He reached the potential his father didnt and, Lucas himself confirmed it, became the most powerful Jedi in all of SW history. He also brought a new golden age for the Jedi Order, reformed in its ways so they could truly be the bringers of compassion and order they are meant to be.

And its all thanks to the dreamer farmer boy from the middle of nowhere.

Luke is the definition of the traditional noble hero, the type that we somehow convinced ourselves is "lazy and predictable" when its those are part of the cultural pillars of our society.

We deconstruct and bring down our heroes, uncaring that this speaks more about ourselves than them.
 
I'm sorry, but literally who?
I had that same reaction when I saw that post. Per Wikipedia, she's some "up-and-coming" Black™ star:
Amandla Stenberg was born in Los Angeles, California, the child of Karen Brailsford, an African-American spiritual counselor and writer, and Tom Stenberg, who is Danish.
Her first name means "power" or "strength" in the South African languages of IsiXhosa and Zulu.
Groomed at a young age by Diddleney:
At age four, Stenberg started doing catalog modeling shoots for Disney.
The result? Came out as all flavors of gay before turning 18 (born 1998 ) :
In January 2016 Stenberg came out as bisexual though she subsequently stated that pansexual was an accurate term as well. That March Stenberg came out as non-binary, and uses both she/her and they/them pronouns. In June 2018, in an interview with Wonderland magazine, she came out as gay.
Black™ awards and movies:
She received a number of awards and nominations, including a Black Reel Award nomination.
In 2016, Stenberg appeared in the music video for Lemonade by Beyoncé, and won the BET YoungStars Award.
Also in 2016, Stenberg had auditioned for the role of Shuri in the superhero film Black Panther, however, she walked away because she felt that she was not right for the role. She told Variety in 2018: "It was so exhilarating to see it fulfilled by people who should have been a part of it and who deserved it and who were right for it. I just wasn't." The role was instead given to actress Letitia Wright.
She's also a feminist and already took her first shot at race-baiting:
Stenberg is an intersectional feminist. She is outspoken about her political views in interviews and on social media, and was named "Feminist of the Year" in 2015 by the Ms. Foundation for Women. She has spoken publicly on social media about cultural appropriation. Her video, "Don't Cash Crop My Cornrows" admonished Kylie Jenner for adopting that traditionally African-American hairstyle.

tl;dr: Black bisexual, pansexual, non-binary intersectional feminist. You'd have to be a real monster not to like Diddleney's Star Wars: Acolyte now.
 
In January 2016 Stenberg came out as bisexual though she subsequently stated that pansexual was an accurate term as well.
Well they're the exact same thing, so...

Her video, "Don't Cash Crop My Cornrows" admonished Kylie Jenner for adopting that traditionally African-American hairstyle.
Someone needs to tell her you can't claim ownership over a haircut, no matter how ugly.
 
However, I will disagree... to a point. The Young Jedi Knights definitely COULD of been that, but those books were purely YA novel schlock. I say that as someone who was at the perfect age for that schlock to completely engross me into the EU for the next 6-7 years.
Oh, I never said they were perfect introductions to the Solo Kids. Their charming little artifacts of the 90's, the same way that Shadows of the Empire and Dark Empire are. Certainly harboring more than a few narrative blemishes, some unimpressive prose, and humor and dialogue that reads more like Saved by the Bell than Star Wars. Having said that, I feel like the books themselves are enhanced by all the places you see those characters go. I mentioned this in my Reading Guide for the EU, but some of the satisfaction of NJO and its sequels is seeing those same round-faced, starry-eyed kids like Jaina, Jacen, Tenel Ka and Zekk be subjected to the horrors of war, and rise to the occasion.

It doesn't make YJK uniquely good in a vacuum, but they become a staple of the Solo Kid's long journey...which is very similar to the role they play in Anderson's other work, the Jedi Academy Trilogy. Weaksauce and sloppy book? Sure. But I'll be the first to admit that I loved all the scenes of Jaina and Jacen spending time with their uncle Luke as little kids, playing in the snow with 3PO, and using their favorite storybook to put on a brave face when they're both in danger. Little things like that make you grow attached to these characters, and watching their shift from kids to teenagers to adults, you almost feel like you're growing up with them.

I would even chock Junior Jedi Knights in that same category, despite being even kiddier and schlockier than YJK, being the literal SW equivalent of The Magic Treehouse: if for no other reason than seeing Anakin Solo and Tahiri Veila become friends for the very first time.

It was still YA schlock at the end of the day, and the Jacen of Young Jedi Knights and NJO are vastly different characters despite only year and half to two years of aging. YJK Jacen is who I kinda imprinted on as a child, and that's not the Jacen of NJO.
You are 100% right about NJO Jacen being a radical departure from his jokier, cornier YJK Counterpart. It's the one thing that NJO Purists refuse to acknowledge when they're lavishing the series in endless praise, and pretending that the "departures" to his character only came later with series like LOTF...when it already happened at the start of NJO. It's one of the elements about his character that is the most inconsistent, and went unexplained throughout the EU's remaining publication.

This is one of the reasons why I appreciate Troy Denning and Aaron Allston's attempts to bring back elements from YJK in their respective NJO and LOTF novels, making explicit references to Jacen and Jaina's adventures in those novels, and Denning even reuniting them with characters like Raynar and Zekk in Star By Star, after being inexplicably absent for countless books. You could argue the efficiency in which they handled those characters and elements (Denning especially, given his weird fixation with shipping Jaina with Zekk at all costs), but it was appreciated regardless, and helped link NJO better with its predecessor...even if it was really, REALLY late into the series.
 
Oh, I never said they were perfect introductions to the Solo Kids. Their charming little artifacts of the 90's, the same way that Shadows of the Empire and Dark Empire are. Certainly harboring more than a few narrative blemishes, some unimpressive prose, and humor and dialogue that reads more like Saved by the Bell than Star Wars. Having said that, I feel like the books themselves are enhanced by all the places you see those characters go. I mentioned this in my Reading Guide for the EU, but some of the satisfaction of NJO and its sequels is seeing those same round-faced, starry-eyed kids like Jaina, Jacen, Tenel Ka and Zekk be subjected to the horrors of war, and rise to the occasion.

It doesn't make YJK uniquely good in a vacuum, but they become a staple of the Solo Kid's long journey...which is very similar to the role they play in Anderson's other work, the Jedi Academy Trilogy. Weaksauce and sloppy book? Sure. But I'll be the first to admit that I loved all the scenes of Jaina and Jacen spending time with their uncle Luke as little kids, playing in the snow with 3PO, and using their favorite storybook to put on a brave face when they're both in danger. Little things like that make you grow attached to these characters, and watching their shift from kids to teenagers to adults, you almost feel like you're growing up with them.

I would even chock Junior Jedi Knights in that same category, despite being even kiddier and schlockier than YJK, being the literal SW equivalent of The Magic Treehouse: if for no other reason than seeing Anakin Solo and Tahiri Veila become friends for the very first time.


You are 100% right about NJO Jacen being a radical departure from his jokier, cornier YJK Counterpart. It's the one thing that NJO Purists refuse to acknowledge when they're lavishing the series in endless praise, and pretending that the "departures" to his character only came later with series like LOTF...when it already happened at the start of NJO. It's one of the elements about his character that is the most inconsistent, and went unexplained throughout the EU's remaining publication.

This is one of the reasons why I appreciate Troy Denning and Aaron Allston's attempts to bring back elements from YJK in their respective NJO and LOTF novels, making explicit references to Jacen and Jaina's adventures in those novels, and Denning even reuniting them with characters like Raynar and Zekk in Star By Star, after being inexplicably absent for countless books. You could argue the efficiency in which they handled those characters and elements (Denning especially, given his weird fixation with shipping Jaina with Zekk at all costs), but it was appreciated regardless, and helped link NJO better with its predecessor...even if it was really, REALLY late into the series.
My complaint with that is actually more at the Bantam era. I both respect them for an ambitious project unlike anything that had been done before, and a huge disappointment of an extremely important timeframe. The Bantam era is a mess, and I appreciate the NJO and Del Rey attempt to not discount it.

We're I in charge of Star Wars, I actually would push for a quasi rewrite of the era. Kinda how the prequels interacted with the EU. Unless explicitly stated, the Bantam books were canon, but they also weren't going to shackle giving the era the fleshing out it deserves, and if there was a conflict of canon the old books lost.
 
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Dear God in heaven, what in fresh hell is this.

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Literal adolescent Wattpad slashfic-tier writing about Obi-Wan thinking about who he would have sex with is making it through editorial.

I don't want to hear a PEEP out of Disney Drones about how "cringetacular" the EU was when you have this garbage going on in the canon. Reading that makes me want to bleach my fucking eyes.

My complaint with that is actually more at the Bantam era. I both respect them for an ambitious project unlike anything that had been done before, and a huge disappointment of an extremely important timeframe. The Bantam era is a mess, and I appreciate the NJO and Del Rey attempt to not discount it.

We're I in charge of Star Wars, I actually would push for a quasi rewrite of the era. Kinda how the prequels interacted with the EU. Unless explicitly stated, the Bantam books were canon, but they also weren't going to shackle giving the era the fleshing out it deserves, and if there was a conflict of canon the old books lost.
That wouldn't have been an impossibility, tbh. We have a precedent for storyline rewrites with stuff like I, Jedi, which attempts recontextualize and soft-retcon certain elements of the Jedi Academy Trilogy by having it told from an outsider's perspective, smoothening out some of the elements that didn't make sense. Troy Denning also did this with Tatooine Ghost, which as actually a Del Rey story that took place in the Bantam Era, but attempted to reconcile the absence of PT elements by weaving in a story set after Courtship but before Thrawn Trilogy that helped explain why Leia named her youngest son Anakin, and had both her and Han discover the truth about Anakin's upbringing on the backwater planet. You also have novels like Shadow Games, which is yet another retroactive Del Rey novel that takes a Bantam Character in the form of Dash Rendar, and attempts to flesh him out a little.

So I would've been totally open to Del Rey novels that rewrote or took place during events of the Bantam Era, correcting pre-PT anachronisms and better aligning them with later series like NJO, etc. Especially when it comes to establishing consistent characterizations for the Solo Children. I would especially welcome adult-oriented rewrites of some of YJK...or maybe even new adventures during that same era that could hint at Jacen's transition from goofball to philosopher, as we see him in NJO. Hell, I'm even open to having a few "rewrite" novels for Del Rey story arcs like LOTF, given how rushed and incongruent some aspects of that series felt.

I think what I would most want are novelizations of Dark Empire and Crimson Empire that help correct things like Palpatine inexplicably not mentioning his tutelage under Darth Plagueis when babbling about cheating death, or Nom Anor's characterization dropping more hints about his Vong identity. Little things like this would help smoothen out the EU's already-impressive sense of continuity, which I've lauded several times in my coverage. The fact that the authors were referencing Bantam novels and even the Marvel comics as late as the 2010's is nothing short of gobsmacking, and showcases an admiral insistence on incorporating even the oldest of SW material to make everything flow together.

...meanwhile, Disney SW can't even keep continuity straight between novels and comics they release months of each other.
 
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