Star Wars Griefing Thread (SPOILERS) - Safety off

My dude, mainstream entertainment went to shit well before the recent diarrhea blast of capeshit and consoomer scifi. Anyone who's stuck around with actual hope that things will turn around is fooling themselves...and I find far too many people holding out for "Phase 84598237 of X" or "Season 56 of Y" in the vain hope that things'll get better. Just using Star Wars as an example, fucking look how many people gave Cabbage Patch Clones, Book of Boba Fatt, and The Adventures of Reva Feat. Kenobi a chance before complaining how awful they all were, only to turn around and say:
"We-Well, maybe the next show will be better. Gotta consoom!" Same as dipshit MCU fans are doing, five horrenodus Phase 4 movies and shows deep. It's been this way since 2019, and it's only getting worse.

You know what I've been doing since 2019, while everyone has been complaining about how bad shit is despite constantly tuning in for more? Watching spaghetti westerns from the 60's. Retro anime from the 80's. Getting into foreign sci-fi and fantasy media, like French comics or tokusatsu (and in both cases, many of which are still ongoing). And in the case of Star Wars, there's like 200 novels and 500 comics to siphon through back when the franchise was still good---and I should know; I'm one of the biggest EU spergs on this thread, and I've barely scratched the surface of them.

There's plenty of good sci-fi and fantasy media...more than you'll ever have time to sit through. It's just either from the past, or overseas, or both.
There's also a treasure trove of vastly ignored radio shows which I've recently gotten into, from The Shadow to Abbott and Costello to re-listening the SW audio dramas (seriously these are the unabridged and unedited Luke experience with all the cut content only seen in the drafts and novelization and shows where the majority of EU lore got its content from, from inquisitors (not the Filoni ones) to the actual Death Star plans retrieval mission called Skyhook, not Rogue Juan).

Star Wars Audiodrama Playlist:

The Shadow Playlist:

So far its been a pleasant experience, with the only meh experience so far being the Sherlock Holmes radio show with Basil Rathbone. Just too short and doesn't really carry the same writing quality as the films or the main books.
 
This thread, along with the MCU’s latest teased offerings, have honestly turned me off of mainstream, modern fantasy, sci-fi and superhero fiction. I’m done! This shit is not for me anymore. From bored to eye rollingly cringey, I no longer, as a life-long fan of these properties, have any interest anymore.
As much shit as we give RLM, this clip is still relevant to this day:

 
This is why part of me is convinced Star Wars cannot work today. We're (speaking in general terms) all so cynical as an audience that most people can't buy a story where a good natured young man becomes a samurai monk knight and saves his father through the power of love for his family. That's why Disney had to deconstruct it and make it "realistic", because Star Wars really needed to grow up and so did the fans, instead of these people watching films that aren't Star Wars and are actually made for adults.
I've had this same thought for a number of years. The concept of the Jedi Order alone is so alien to modern American audiences: A group of openly religious warrior monks who want to do the right thing? Must be secret pedophiles and cultists who abduct children. No way people with actual values and morals could accomplish anything. I also blame the idiotic Grey Jedi trend that Rian Johnson was pushing so hard "I want to have all the powers of both sides without having to commit to anything so I can sit at home and jack off" is the apathetic teenage fantasy.

I think that's why Luke is a fat, nihilistic failure in the sequels, the idea that someone can be an honest to goodness hero and hold religious beliefs is just out of the question.
 
Sometimes I think JJ is a fag for pandering to Reylos in TROS, then he's accidentally based for killing Kylo off at the end.
"This is what the internet wants." is a double-edged sword. It can turn out good like the Sonic makeover (if we assume that the first design wasn't just a publicity stunt) or lazy and gay like Cleganebowl. I know some Reylos personally... Bungee jumping? Shark cage diving? Pussy activities I tell you! You have not lived until you saw 30+ year old feminists act like Ted Bundy groupies when Adam Driver shows up on screen. And the men they date are either drama queens of various scales or just look fucking weird. TLJ and ROS are I Can Fix Him - The Movie Parts I and II. JJ only wanted Kylo to die because Vader died and because his relationship to Johnson can be likened to feuding gay lovers. Nothing else. He's not smart enough to see that that "romance" was a dumpster fire that could've seriously messed with the minds of young girls who would've stormed out of the cinemas to find their own Kylos and only win a free pair of Irish sunglasses or a shallow grave somewhere. Some of these Darwin Award aspirants probably still will or already have. I bet that even the women around JJ weren't smart enough to point this out. Hollywood broads desperately try to present themselves as such but usually end up crying in the bedrooms of people like Ezra Miller or Armie Hammer.
 
My dude, mainstream entertainment went to shit well before the recent diarrhea blast of capeshit and consoomer scifi. Anyone who's stuck around with actual hope that things will turn around is fooling themselves...and I find far too many people holding out for "Phase 84598237 of X" or "Season 56 of Y" in the vain hope that things'll get better. Just using Star Wars as an example, fucking look how many people gave Cabbage Patch Clones, Book of Boba Fatt, and The Adventures of Reva Feat. Kenobi a chance before complaining how awful they all were, only to turn around and say:
"We-Well, maybe the next show will be better. Gotta consoom!" Same as dipshit MCU fans are doing, five horrenodus Phase 4 movies and shows deep. It's been this way since 2019, and it's only getting worse.

You know what I've been doing since 2019, while everyone has been complaining about how bad shit is despite constantly tuning in for more? Watching spaghetti westerns from the 60's. Retro anime from the 80's. Getting into foreign sci-fi and fantasy media, like French comics or tokusatsu (and in both cases, many of which are still ongoing). And in the case of Star Wars, there's like 200 novels and 500 comics to siphon through back when the franchise was still good---and I should know; I'm one of the biggest EU spergs on this thread, and I've barely scratched the surface of them.

There's plenty of good sci-fi and fantasy media...more than you'll ever have time to sit through. It's just either from the past, or overseas, or both.
I’m with you 100%. Plenty of great media from the past. Much of it easier to access than ever before!
 
You know what I've been doing since 2019, while everyone has been complaining about how bad shit is despite constantly tuning in for more? Watching spaghetti westerns from the 60's. Retro anime from the 80's. Getting into foreign sci-fi and fantasy media, like French comics or tokusatsu (and in both cases, many of which are still ongoing). And in the case of Star Wars, there's like 200 novels and 500 comics to siphon through back when the franchise was still good---and I should know; I'm one of the biggest EU spergs on this thread, and I've barely scratched the surface of them.
grats making it to 2019, I tapped out 2017 or so.

I can't blame him either. George Lucas' name was mud for 12 years because autistic fanboys were so horribly offended by the Prequels. People called him greedy, a racist because of Jar Jar and Watto, and they treated him like he committed war crimes. Even in hindsight it's fucking insane to think about over films that were 6/10 at worst. To this day people still drag George, a lot of the same people who were convinced that Disney was going to fix everything, even though he hasn't had shit to do with Star Wars since the early 2010s. Whenever I see those kinds of posts or videos I just feel weirded out by how consumed by hate they are.
in return people were making fun of those retards too. look at the simon pegg clip, he's literally portrayed as a stereotypical sperg.
I think by episode 2 most people didn't really give a fuck any more, and if you were still butthurt about star wars most people thought you needed to grow the fuck up. remember being a nerd only became cool by 2008 or so (yes bing bing wahoo theory came out in '07, but stuff like that still takes time).
of course it didn't help that crystal skull also came out in 2008 which got way more people's panties in a twist, with indy being more mainstream etc.

This is why part of me is convinced Star Wars cannot work today. We're (speaking in general terms) all so cynical as an audience that most people can't buy a story where a good natured young man becomes a samurai monk knight and saves his father through the power of love for his family. That's why Disney had to deconstruct it and make it "realistic", because Star Wars really needed to grow up and so did the fans, instead of these people watching films that aren't Star Wars and are actually made for adults.
meanwhile:
Demon Slayer: Kimetsu no Yaiba is one of the best-selling manga series of all time.
there's still a market for those kind of stories, and people still like them. there's a reason the monomyth worked for literally thousands of years, some woke faggots won't be able to change that.
haven't seen maverick yet, but I assume it follows traditional story beats too, has non-shit writing and doesn't pander, hence the numbers it pulled. just because there are companies being willfully retarded trying to cater to an audience that isn't there doesn't mean people don't want to be properly entertained. the 2 billion TFA made quickly dropped, and that was mostly based on brand inertia (takes a bit to burn a 40y pop icon to the ground).
at some point something else will come along that's more maverick than nuwars, because companies still want and need to make money, and then it goes from there.
 
$5k to LARP in the sequels? The only way I'm dropping $5k is if it's a personalized Prequel-era LARP weekend experience where I get to beat up actors dressed as aliens with Disney's best Hayden Christensen and Ewan McGregor lookalikes
For 5K an actress dressed as Ahsoka better slide out from under the table and reenact the "Luke, did I ever tell you about Ahsoka Tano?" Greentext in full. So many more valuable things you could spend 5 fucking thousand dollars on.
 
This is becoming an increasingly unpopular opinion but I've begun to resent The 2008 Clone Wars series, or at least what it's caused. It's not that I don't enjoy it. I thought it was fantastic for the most part, aside from Ahsoka who went from annoying comic relief to the fanfiction main character of Star Wars. Lately it's because of what is represents, and how it lead to one of the big things that's wrong with the franchise: All this amazing stuff happens that should affect the plot forevermore, but come Episode 3 none of it ever comes up. Because it never really happened. This is what my EU-obsessed self must've looked like always going on about adaptations and comic books when I was a kid but I swear it's never been as bad as it is now.

Because everything is canon (until Disney decides to axe it because they don't actually care), nothing makes sense and it's starting to affect the original movies. We've seen that with Kenobi, now that Obi-Wan and Vader apparently had a fight decades before meeting in ANH and also Leia and Luke were bestest friends with old Ben and went with him on galactic adventures. This can all be traced back to Clone Wars, or at least Clone Wars after Filoni went crazy and Disney took over. So many factions and characters that were unaccounted for when the Republic transitioned, but then they immediately crop up when it's Imperial Period time and the Mouse needs to churn out another cash-in.

I'm definitely rambling but it's weird to see fanboys talk about all this continuity crap like it means something. As far as I'm concerned, while I'm watching the movies everything else is just some weird alternate dimension where Anakin had a padawan and the good guys and bad guys met a dozen times but let each other get away.
 
This is becoming an increasingly unpopular opinion but I've begun to resent The 2008 Clone Wars series
Good.
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I and others have already said all I'll ever need to say on the matter in the OP.
 
One interesting aspect I liked about the vilians in the 6 movies is there is
The evil: Maul/Tarkin
The Traitor: Dooku/Lando
and change of Vader in reference of the traitor. In Anakin's fall, Dooku is killed, while Lando makes ammends for his actions and is saved.

There was one aspect that Lucas was right about in which the fanbase wants, "A World of Absolutes". The end goal of the Sith.
Even with the prequels, Lucas kept moving forward but the fanbase wants everything to be the same. The Anti Trilogy is the World of Absolutes in nothing changes.
 
This is becoming an increasingly unpopular opinion but I've begun to resent The 2008 Clone Wars series, or at least what it's caused.
That's not an unpopular opinion around here, I can assure you. I myself didn't abhor TCW at first, or even really Ahsoka herself...I kind of just dismissed it as "another route to Revenge of the Sith", with the Genndy Series and accompanying games like Battlefront II being my "preferred route."

But as time has gone on, the Fisher Price nature and vapid quality of the cartoon grew more apparent to me---but I would've even tolerated the show in light of that re-assessment if not for the growing insufferable presence of both Furloni and the Ahsoka Autists who will not shut the fuck up about this show, and act like it not only is the greatest piece of Star Wars Media in existence (spotlighting how little media they've experienced outside of the film), but that it "fixed" all that was wrong about the Prequels...a notion I find laughable, given how the show almost never ties into the films and often segues into its own fanficky direction. And even if you were able to excuse those maladies infecting TCW (and God knows I can't anymore), all of these problems would be compounded in Rebels, which is intrinsically tied to TCW as a continuing story, and does everything it does but worse. That series is Filoni Unleashed, dialing his tendencies to 11 by making his OC's the center of everything, abandoning all coyness about his Wolf Fetish by making wolves instrumental to the Force as some kind of shinto guardians, and cranking Ahsoka's self-insert Plot Armor to maximum by literally inventing time travel to save her from death and have her reappear...dressed as Gandalf The White, just so you know how much of a Light Side Paragon she really is.

But the biggest lasting scar of TCW is that it encouraged the dumbing down of standards so prevalent in SW today. This new Disney Plus model, of having a threadbare show with zero plot, empty-ass characters, strung together by contrived writing and whole bushels of fanservice wankery to trick you to sit through till the end of the series? That started with Filoni Wars...and if you don't believe me, consider how much of the praise for the show is for the "moments" fanboys latch onto, like Palpatine's WWE Match with the Maul Brothers or Vader holding Ahsoka's lightsaber for "MUH IMAGERY", rather than the writing or dialogue stringing those moments together. It's why these fagaloons don't actually rewatch TCW...they just watch a compilation of their favorite moments on YouTube, and hoodwink themselves into thinking the whole show is that good, when an actual re-watch of all of its clunky writing and contrived-as-fuck scenarios would reveal the opposite. It's the same symptom as Rogue One, The Blandalorian, Book of Blorba Fatt and Kenobi...lobotomized media for consoomer monkeys with short attention spans, that are easily pleased by fanservice and wouldn't know a competent story if it fell on their caved-in Neanderthal heads.

It all started with TCW and Filoni, who is rapidly becoming the Ken Penders of Star Wars.
 
When thinking of the Sequel Trilogy, all that comes to mind is that Creamy Sheev must have procreated somehow, so in my mind I see Palpatine sitting in a sleazy Space Motel Room with a cheap hooker, going "Execute Order 69".
I think he had to have raped somebody honestly. Him having a child could not have been with consent.

Maybe he had been all Mad Max on human women and had a baby-making factory.
 
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The circle is now complete, every legacy character from this beloved franchise is now a failure, a bum, a deadbeat, a slut, or in this case: A bi-sexual faggot.

Disney will not receive any salvation for the unhearted massacre of beloved heroes and replacing them with their own diverse minstrel child molesting groomers.
 
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That's not an unpopular opinion around here, I can assure you. I myself didn't abhor TCW at first, or even really Ahsoka herself...I kind of just dismissed it as "another route to Revenge of the Sith", with the Genndy Series and accompanying games like Battlefront II being my "preferred route."

But as time has gone on, the Fisher Price nature and vapid quality of the cartoon grew more apparent to me---but I would've even tolerated the show in light of that re-assessment if not for the growing insufferable presence of both Furloni and the Ahsoka Autists who will not shut the fuck up about this show, and act like it not only is the greatest piece of Star Wars Media in existence (spotlighting how little media they've experienced outside of the film), but that it "fixed" all that was wrong about the Prequels...a notion I find laughable, given how the show almost never ties into the films and often segues into its own fanficky direction. And even if you were able to excuse those maladies infecting TCW (and God knows I can't anymore), all of these problems would be compounded in Rebels, which is intrinsically tied to TCW as a continuing story, and does everything it does but worse. That series is Filoni Unleashed, dialing his tendencies to 11 by making his OC's the center of everything, abandoning all coyness about his Wolf Fetish by making wolves instrumental to the Force as some kind of shinto guardians, and cranking Ahsoka's self-insert Plot Armor to maximum by literally inventing time travel to save her from death and have her reappear...dressed as Gandalf The White, just so you know how much of a Light Side Paragon she really is.

But the biggest lasting scar of TCW is that it encouraged the dumbing down of standards so prevalent in SW today. This new Disney Plus model, of having a threadbare show with zero plot, empty-ass characters, strung together by contrived writing and whole bushels of fanservice wankery to trick you to sit through till the end of the series? That started with Filoni Wars...and if you don't believe me, consider how much of the praise for the show is for the "moments" fanboys latch onto, like Palpatine's WWE Match with the Maul Brothers or Vader holding Ahsoka's lightsaber for "MUH IMAGERY", rather than the writing or dialogue stringing those moments together. It's why these fagaloons don't actually rewatch TCW...they just watch a compilation of their favorite moments on YouTube, and hoodwink themselves into thinking the whole show is that good, when an actual re-watch of all of its clunky writing and contrived-as-fuck scenarios would reveal the opposite. It's the same symptom as Rogue One, The Blandalorian, Book of Blorba Fatt and Kenobi...lobotomized media for consoomer monkeys with short attention spans, that are easily pleased by fanservice and wouldn't know a competent story if it fell on their caved-in Neanderthal heads.

It all started with TCW and Filoni, who is rapidly becoming the Ken Penders of Star Wars.
All that's missing is for someone to kill off one of his OCs without his permission, creating a massive sperg out.

Filoni is what happens when you give a guy who is more interested in his own fanwank becoming official than the actual story and growth of the setting. Hell the only thing he and his fans can even hype up about Mando season 3 is that overexposed mando ginger from his first cartoon and the dangerhair mando from his second one having bigger roles even though they've already had more than enough screentime and importance than most DW characters and even pre-disney ones. And all the while the guy just keeps trying to turn SW into the MCU 2.0 with an excess of character reunions, cameos and uneventful filler that even puts the ones from Avatar to shame and only ever relying on the characters and factions that he created rather than those of others or even those that George cemented as far back as the first drafts or audio dramas which even other authors used. This is like the equivalent of what would happen if Traviss or Zahn were given complete creative control of the franchise now with no editors, George mandates, KJA or sourcebook to keep them in line. They might not be woke (although in Traviss case its slightly debatable) but they would end up sacrificing a setting, vision and leads for the sake of validating their personal view of what the franchise should be and making sure that their favorite characters (Skirata and Thrawn) have the universe revolve around them and how it can best align with their viewpoints rather than try to see it from outside their own little sandboxes and all the while ignoring the contributions of everyone else.

Yea, I member her.
The circle is now complete, every legacy character from this beloved franchise is now a failure, a bum, a deadbeat, a slut, or in this case: A bi-sexual faggot.

Disney will not receive any salvation for massacre beloved heroes and replacing them with their own diverse minstrel child molesting groomers.
So far Lando, Tarkin, Padme, TK-421, Leia (possibly with Admiral Dangerhair), Han (hinted but nothing yet), the tuksen raiders who attacked Luke, clone troopers, Assoka (maybe), and now Obi-Wan have gotten pegged by the bbq stick... All that's left is Luke, and you know Mark Hamill would celebrate it, especially after that IGN interview a few years ago.
 
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That's not an unpopular opinion around here, I can assure you. I myself didn't abhor TCW at first, or even really Ahsoka herself...I kind of just dismissed it as "another route to Revenge of the Sith", with the Genndy Series and accompanying games like Battlefront II being my "preferred route."

But as time has gone on, the Fisher Price nature and vapid quality of the cartoon grew more apparent to me---but I would've even tolerated the show in light of that re-assessment if not for the growing insufferable presence of both Furloni and the Ahsoka Autists who will not shut the fuck up about this show, and act like it not only is the greatest piece of Star Wars Media in existence (spotlighting how little media they've experienced outside of the film), but that it "fixed" all that was wrong about the Prequels...a notion I find laughable, given how the show almost never ties into the films and often segues into its own fanficky direction. And even if you were able to excuse those maladies infecting TCW (and God knows I can't anymore), all of these problems would be compounded in Rebels, which is intrinsically tied to TCW as a continuing story, and does everything it does but worse. That series is Filoni Unleashed, dialing his tendencies to 11 by making his OC's the center of everything, abandoning all coyness about his Wolf Fetish by making wolves instrumental to the Force as some kind of shinto guardians, and cranking Ahsoka's self-insert Plot Armor to maximum by literally inventing time travel to save her from death and have her reappear...dressed as Gandalf The White, just so you know how much of a Light Side Paragon she really is.

But the biggest lasting scar of TCW is that it encouraged the dumbing down of standards so prevalent in SW today. This new Disney Plus model, of having a threadbare show with zero plot, empty-ass characters, strung together by contrived writing and whole bushels of fanservice wankery to trick you to sit through till the end of the series? That started with Filoni Wars...and if you don't believe me, consider how much of the praise for the show is for the "moments" fanboys latch onto, like Palpatine's WWE Match with the Maul Brothers or Vader holding Ahsoka's lightsaber for "MUH IMAGERY", rather than the writing or dialogue stringing those moments together. It's why these fagaloons don't actually rewatch TCW...they just watch a compilation of their favorite moments on YouTube, and hoodwink themselves into thinking the whole show is that good, when an actual re-watch of all of its clunky writing and contrived-as-fuck scenarios would reveal the opposite. It's the same symptom as Rogue One, The Blandalorian, Book of Blorba Fatt and Kenobi...lobotomized media for consoomer monkeys with short attention spans, that are easily pleased by fanservice and wouldn't know a competent story if it fell on their caved-in Neanderthal heads.

It all started with TCW and Filoni, who is rapidly becoming the Ken Penders of Star Wars.
There is something about TCW that makes it popular and it’s not just the fanservice.

The way that Filoniwars was presented was as series of episodic adventures featuring a different group of protagonists against a new or reoccurring Separatist antagonist. It was a lot like the classic Saturday morning cartoons of the 80s but with increased violence. So for the kids watching this show, it has the action they’re looking for.

At the same time, the characters develop over the course of the series. Anakin’s relationship to Ahsoka, Obi-Wan to Duchess Satine, Ventriss’s arc, etc. The characters don’t remain static and I think the viewer that was watching the show every week a new episode came on would get attached to those characters.

And having the characters constantly meet up with each other works for the 80s cartoon vibe as well as show the changes in the characters each time they interact.

The problem is that it doesn’t work in Filoni’s other works. Maul fighting Obi-Wan throughout the Clone Wars makes sense because of their history, but Ahsoka showing up to fight the Empire in Mandalorian to search for Thrawn? He’s going overboard with the fanservice to keep all his OCs together at the cost of making the Star Wars galaxy revolve around his characters.
 
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