George RR Martin, his fanboys, and former fanbase

I think D&D just took this one popular theory they've read (I know they have an account in Westeros.org) and used it because they love Tyrion and think they understood the character. Personally, I think it's Victarion the one who's gonna meet Dany, take her to Westeros, and tell her all about her father without any lie or embellishment, because that's how Victarion is. Tyrion will or try to help Dany, of course, but he has nothing to bargain with. Victarion has the fleet and men that Dany needs.
I also thought Victarion held more importance. Especially as Euron is becoming a rather large threat, and they've basically put a greyjoy in the camp of every major faction, the last events in the books putting Victarion landing his forces near Meereen and Asha Greyjoy is taken captive by Stannis' forces
 
This fat piece of shit needed a thread so bad. I have been a hater for literally a decade now. I archived some stuff of him being an asshole to his fans, sperging against orange man and being a creepy old fuck. He has been an asshole for decades now.

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I also thought Victarion held more importance. Especially as Euron is becoming a rather large threat, and they've basically put a greyjoy in the camp of every major faction, the last events in the books putting Victarion landing his forces near Meereen and Asha Greyjoy is taken captive by Stannis' forces
And people downplay Victarion so easily because he's a bit of a brute, forgetting he's a capable captain. If he says he's getting to Dany, he will.

That's why when people tell me that the books will end like in the show, I can't believe them. There are too many different factors and factions in the books that play an important role in the story, it's impossible they will end in a "similar" manner: you have Arianne who is soon meeting with the Griffs and who are ready to break some havoc in the South (he's already taking a lot of Stormlands households as for book 6 previews), Victarion about to meet Dany with an army and a fleet, Aeron who's very capable of start his own rebellion in the Iron Islands. IMO, there is no way Arianne and Aegon's decisions (and perhaps wedding?) will destabilize a King's Landing that's eager for a capable leader and that will see this "son" of Rhaegar as if sent by the Gods. Dany never had that counterpart in the show, but she's here gonna have a challenger for her own legitimacy.
 
If people want to make this a GRRM drama thread, there is 20 years of online shit you can comb through. Some of the evidence won't stay around for ever. I have my own Thrones LOLCow to farm so I'll repeat my suggestions to you guys.
Anyway if anyone is interested in contributing GRRM drama to this thread, here are a few incidents from memory you can research:
  • He raged about JK Rowling. She won the Hugo award the year he hoped to finally win best novel for 'A Storm of Swords.' He thinks the Potter books are good but was offended Rowling did not show up, the publishers sent no-one to accept and later Rowling got another award and said she was glad to get her first non-children book award.
  • He loves the Hugos, used to host 'The Losers Party' and has decades worth of anecdotes.
  • He fought against a rightwing attempt to steer the direction of genre books by mobbing the votes for the Hugos. Bascially Gamergate / Comicsgate type deal called 'sad puppies' and 'rabid puppies'. He fended them off, pissed off fans by blogging about it when they wanted him to write, and it all bit him on the ass, as the awards got obnoxiously out of touch and woke.
  • 'George R.R. Martin Can Fuck Off Into the Sun, or: The 2020 Hugo Awards Ceremony' - a crazy cat lady wrote this over minor woke violations. He hosted remotely. He pronounced foreign names wrong. He fondly remembered some rightwing editors and writers. There was a joke about the bulge on the Oscar statue that she construed as transphobic. Turns out she hated GRRM because she wasn't a prominent enough loser to be invited to the losers party.
  • The next year 'George R.R. Martin Can Fuck Off Into the Sun, or: The 2020 Hugo Awards Ceremony' was nominated for a Hugo, in a huge slap in the face to GRRM and violation of their own rules.
  • That whole debacle was a real eye opener. The crazy bitches blog was reported by news media and none of the journalists watched the awards themselves to check her account. It was free on Youtube and would take a morning to watch. That's how lazy and dishonest the press is.
  • He's told wild stories about Hugo mischief, including meeting his future wife topless in a sauna. Big oversharing hippy.
  • His first wife was also a scifi novelist and he lost her in a love triangle. Later made a sad scifi book inspired by it where the lady falls in love with some hivemind.
  • He raged on his blog about the ending of Lost being bad. Damon Lindenhof was on a podcast after Game of Thrones ended, defended the show writers, but laid into GRRM. Basically got his revenge by saying GRRM never wrote an end to his story because he is a coward.
 
I archived some stuff of him being an asshole to his fans

I want him to get off or on his fat ass and start writing, but to be fair, if I had hundreds of online nerds and autists mobbing me like gulls every time I showed my face on the internet, I'd probably post 'aggravated' emojis too.
 
Sex scenes in the books are mostly pointless and written because GRRM likes to write about little girls fucking .

He is a pervert
This is true for sure. But people were willing to overlook his horrendous prose and glacial pace for basically an entire decade when Game of Thrones was on because they were getting new ASOIAF content in the main story. Seeing the world. The characters. The Wall. King's Landing. Dragons. People are willing to look beyond obvious flaws in anything by being distracted by something else or getting something better to replace them. It was easier for fans to ignore the glaring flaws in the first three or four books because it looked like GRRM was going to finish the series, there was a high budget show for ASOIAF that was airing, and it appeared that the books and show would end simultaneously. So we could get the book ending and then see it happen live on screen. Yeah sure AFFC was not even a good book but it was part of a grander narrative that would be done in a few years and we could judge everything together.

Once the scales were lifted from everyone's eyes after the eighth season, and no new books for a decade, we are now seeing a more honest assessment of GRRM's writing style. Pointless and graphic and vivid sex and rape scenes that advance no plot elements. Repeated gratuitous descriptions of urinating and defecating. Plots that go nowhere. Plot armor that Marvel Comics characters would kill for. And now famous authors are no longer afraid to criticize GRRM openly for fear of being attacked by his insane fans or losing potential business. With some authors literally openly refusing to be considered for his ghost writer to finish the series should he die.

When GRRM and ASOIAF were riding high before seasons six through eight it was impossible to penetrate the barrier of perfection with any criticism that GRRM and his fans had built up. You simply could not criticize ASOIAF or GOT during the first four seasons. Nor could you criticize GRRM. His fans were psychotic. The next Tolkien. Greatest show of all time.
I do agree that George's sex scenes are lame (most of them are, with very few exceptions), but they make sense in the plot.
None of them makes sense for the plot the way that they are written. Sam sucking milk from Gilly's tits? His cock became her cunt? Tyrion shoved his pink fat mast into every hole? Blood covered hard erect cock? They are just written to be shocking. Because GRRM is a creepy old jewish pervert like Roman Polankski or Harvey Weinstein. He writes like a 12-year-old who discovered curse words and sex and is now scribbling his thoughts in crayon. Scrotty McBoogerballs.

We know that the Mountain raped Elia Martell. And killed her infant son in front of her. Yet it was there without long drawn out graphic details. We know that Joffrey and the others are born of incest. How many incest scenes do we need? We know that Tyrion enjoys whores. We know Theon had his genitals cut off. We know that Robert Baratheon had sex with anything that moved. Yet some things are written in lucid details and others are ignored at GRRM's whim.
 
I want him to get off or on his fat ass and start writing, but to be fair, if I had hundreds of online nerds and autists mobbing me like gulls every time I showed my face on the internet, I'd probably post 'aggravated' emojis too.
Listen here nigger, we were waiting for the new book for FIVE YEARS at that point, and he didn't write any updates, instead he incessantly blogged over all the projects he was doing nobody gave a shit about. Cons, wild cards, later involvement with the show...
You got to consider that Feast for Crows was only half the characters, and we heard nothing of half the cast for over a decade.
He had no reason to give anyone lip for getting EXCITED at the prospect of getting his new work, and even if he did, you NEVER give lip to your customers/fanbase.
He is an arrogant, fat tool.
 
He had no reason to give anyone lip for getting EXCITED at the prospect of getting his new work, and even if he did, you NEVER give lip to your customers/fanbase.
He is an arrogant, fat tool.
The fact that he routinely rips into his fanbase is another strong indicator to me that he is just the face of the novels and that they were always ghost written or done by committee. Like he has no perspective on the novels and work ethic nor understanding of the fans. Because he acts as detached as someone who is not interested in the actual story of ASOIAF universe. Like he has no vested interest in the fans of ASOIAF or the actual story other than getting lots of fame and recognition.
 
Sounds like the american Tolkien though
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You don't have to be a connoisseur of written porn to tell that the author is getting off while writing this.

It's hard how to put it in words exactly, but it's got a specific type of overelaboration you see in written porn.
 
This fat piece of shit needed a thread so bad. I have been a hater for literally a decade now. I archived some stuff of him being an asshole to his fans, sperging against orange man and being a creepy old fuck. He has been an asshole for decades now.

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You don't have to be a connoisseur of written porn to tell that the author is getting off while writing this.

It's hard how to put it in words exactly, but it's got a specific type of overelaboration you see in written porn.
He’s quite a perv, more so than any other major author I could think of.
 
So what. I'm not a quaker so I don't give a shit if he writes smut. Sleaze, at least in the literary world, is the biggest seller. Always has been. This is mostly about the fact that Martin cannot seemingly finish or arrive at a conclusion without a contrived mechanism. I'm here to laugh at the people calling him "the american Tolkien" when in reality he's closer to being Dollar General Marquis de Sade.
 
Why does Daenerys even exist? I haven't read the books in a while but I remember her story just dragging on and on with her taking some random cities far to the east of Westeros. Seems she only exists for
  1. Being basket for Martin to throw in popular characters that are no longer important to the drama on Westeros.
  2. For Martin to put his sick fetishes into the book, like that one random masturbation + lesbian scene with her servant
And with "Aegon" being around the entire Targaryen Invasion would no longer be climatic even he turns out to be an imposter.
 
The rightful bearer of the title "American Tolkien" is Robert Jordan. Change my mind.

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And not just in his writing. Jordan (real name James O. Rigney) was an absolute Chad, a Renaissance Man.
  • Decorated Vietnam veteran
  • Majored in physics at the Citadel (the West Point of the South)
  • Worked as a nuclear engineer
  • Theater and dance director
  • Hunter, fisherman, poker player
  • Pipe collector
Pretty much, I grew up with basically the entire literary establishment fellating the dude as the American version of J.R.R. Tolkien for the epic scale of his stories and the first time I heard of Gurm being referred to in the same vein was after Game of Thrones exploded in popularity. The show single-handedly built Martin's fame, ASOIAF first began getting published in the 90s but nobody really gave a fuck because even back then edgy grimdark fantasy was nothing special.
 
Pretty much, I grew up with basically the entire literary establishment fellating the dude as the American version of J.R.R. Tolkien for the epic scale of his stories and the first time I heard of Gurm being referred to in the same vein was after Game of Thrones exploded in popularity. The show single-handedly built Martin's fame, ASOIAF first began getting published in the 90s but nobody really gave a fuck because even back then edgy grimdark fantasy was nothing special.
He's not capable of writing anything close to Tolkien's Lord of the Rings, and while also taking years to finish, Tolkien was working to support a family by teaching/translating and created an entire language for his opus at the same time. He was meticulous about sticking to his story as evidenced by the tons of notes he left behind. Martin is a childless television screenplay writer who's simply out of his depth. Anyone who thinks he's in the same league as Tolkien is a midwit.
 
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