Grand Jury speculation thread

What will the next legal development be?

  • Grand Jury declares Chris fit for trial

    Votes: 458 30.3%
  • Grand Jury declares Chris a brokebrain and unfit for trial

    Votes: 203 13.4%
  • CONTINUANCE!

    Votes: 220 14.6%
  • Plea deal

    Votes: 122 8.1%
  • The US collapses, Chris escapes from jail and becomes a cult-leader

    Votes: 208 13.8%
  • The Merge occurs

    Votes: 301 19.9%

  • Total voters
    1,512
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Chris has object permanence. If he knows something is in the next room and he wants it, he knows that is there and he can go get it.
I did not mean literal object permanence, as for actual toddlers. As I said, a grownup version...and that is consistent with one or more conditions he seems to/may have.
What Chris lacks is the ability to think about anything but what is currently holding his attention.

Take away his bible and replace it with a some lego catalog, and he'll desperately think about his some lego back at home again.
Yes, that's what I meant. He is very much in the here and now (in terms of material things). So, he would do best in a situation that limited stimuli/ability to act rashly to acquire whatever is in front of him.

His fantasy world is a different thing.

But if he never saw another Lego set/site/catalog, then he would adapt to a Lego-less world, as he seems to have done.

Despite the eons-oriented fantasy world, he's purely short-term. And even the fantasy just so happens to have all the good stuff happening *right now*.
 
He'll just buy the most expensive version of whatever he wants.

He already does that. Or al least tries. He only ever settles for the cheaper option (or goes without) if his card gets declined for the fancy expensive one. Having a fat available balance will only permit him to continue buying the expensive items.

I'm sure he could piss away $10K in no time at all and wouldn't even think about what he'd do when it ran out.

Especially once he realizes his card isn't being declined. Until it is…

Then he'll go back to begging from the internet, and when the internet asks him what happened to the $10k he had, he'll stress sigh and make excuses.

I think he would sound more panicky if his :tugboat: had evaporated on him.

He probably would not have noticed yet. His purchasing options in Jail are rather limited, and Chris never bothers to keep track of his finances even at the best of times.

We'll definitely hear about it once he gets out and can buy things again. If his tugboat has vanished he'll come begging to the internet instead of taking the correct steps to get it turned back on.


Chris oughta spend any lump sum he gets on a van to get around in/live in.

Likely by the time he comes to this realization (if ever), he'll have already pissed it all away.


Wouldn’t it be great if one of us was his payee?

It could have been Null if Chris hadn't fucked that up. I would trust Null over any professional designated payee.

That said, don't give Kengle etc. any ideas.


He's been pretty comfy in jail. Not one peep about not having toys or vidya games.

That doesn't mean he wouldn't be more comfy surrounded by pony dolls and vidya and legos and other such crap.

Chris spins up copium from whatever is available. Give him some pony dolls in jail and his insane, rambling letters would be more pony, less jesus. That's all.
 
His fantasy world is a different thing.

But if he never saw another Lego set/site/catalog, then he would adapt to a Lego-less world, as he seems to have done.

Despite the eons-oriented fantasy world, he's purely short-term. And even the fantasy just so happens to have all the good stuff happening *right now*.

Chris is a here and now person, but if he is excited about something or wants something really bad, that becomes his here and now even if it's in the future. The future becomes his now.

For instance, sitting alone, he really wanted a boyfriend-free girl, and was willing to look ahead and plan how he could get said girl, to birth Crystal. That took forethought and effort for something that was not immediate, but it was something he wanted *really bad* so it occupied his attention.

But put cartoons in front of him that are enough to distract him, and he'll temporarily forget about his boyfriend-free girl and Crystal.

And even when he had a "girlfriend", if another girl called him, he started "cheating" because that girl took over his immediate attention.

He cannot proactively delay gratification, he can only think ahead when his gratification has been delayed by outside forces.

Of course in recent years, his delusions have occupied his attention more and more, so it's harder for stuff in front of him to compete unless it's something is *really* wants (basically a few kinds of toys, or vagina), and even that still gets incorporated into his delusions. Barring some sort of drugs that inhibit his imagination, that's where he's going to live more and more.

I don't know if they prescribed him anything, but in addition to a drug that kill imagination, he'd need a drug that reduces impulsivity. That would go a long way toward fixing his behavior. It still wouldn't fix his shitty entitled attitude or his stupidity, but that might enable him to delay gratification enough to sort glass for money, grumbling that he deserves better. He'd have to stay hungry and have no enablers though.

Everyone knows Cole lives in Carnegie Hall in an apartment with a big fireplace.

No, Cole lives in Carnigee Hall. It's a subtle distinction, I know, but Chris clearly stated that it was Carnigee Hall.

Interestingly, Carnegie Hall does have apartments, some with big fireplaces. However most of them were market rate and the occupants were evicted in 2007 to convert to museum space and such. They had to slowly wait for the people in the last 7 protected, rent-controlled apartments to voluntarily leave by buying out the tenants or waiting for them to die. The last tenant left in 2017.

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Jokes aside, Carnegie Hill, the neighborhood near where Cole lived, has become a decently affluent place ($2.2 million median price vs $1.2 million for Manhattan as a whole), depending on how close you were to the Carnegie Mansion site, but I don't think Cole actually lived in Carnegie Hill proper.
 
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Personally, I'm going to be curious if they try and hit Chris with additional charges.

More counts of incest are possible, but the big one is if they try and nail him with a rape count. (Which isn't that far out there since you can show he obviously planned to have sexual relations with Barb.)

The other thing to watch for is if the judge bars him from further contact with Barb and living at 14 Branchland. (We know Barb isn't living there right now, but it is still her legal place of residence.)

The homeless saga could finally be here and/or Chris might attempt to go back to 14 Branchland CT against a possible order and wind right back behind bars.

The most ideal thing for Chris would be being released for time served and then heading to the house and blowing the 10k in tugboat money that has built up. (And stay as long as whoever is paying the mortage can keep doing it.) Weens would love it as the Christory would continue for a bit.

The problem is that things will never go back to the way they were. Barb will likely die in the next few years and the bank will move on the house. It really is endgame now.
 
Chris is a here and now person, but if he is excited about something or wants something really bad, that becomes his here and now even if it's in the future. The future becomes his now.

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I don't know if they prescribed him anything, but in addition to a drug that kill imagination, he'd need a drug that reduces impulsivity. That would go a long way toward fixing his behavior. It still wouldn't fix his shitty entitled attitude or his stupidity, but that might enable him to delay gratification enough to sort glass for money, grumbling that he deserves better. He'd have to stay hungry and have no enablers though.
This is what I meant saying he needs to be literally wrangled. And I don't think meds would completely manage the issue. He needs structure and isn't, apparently, capable of providing it to himself.
Jokes aside, Carnegie Hill, the neighborhood near where Cole lived, has become a decently affluent place ($2.2 million median price vs $1.2 million for Manhattan as a whole), depending on how close you were to the Carnegie Mansion site, but I don't think Cole actually lived in Carnegie Hill proper.
Carnegie Hill has been upscale-ish (in parts, and depending on your perspective) and upscaling for 25+ years. Manhattan neighborhoods tend to be a bit elastic, but even within the agreed confines, 96th & 3rd =/= 86th & Fifth.
 
Personally, I'm going to be curious if they try and hit Chris with additional charges.

The prosecution doesn't want to hit Chris with more charges. More charges means more work, and Chris isn't worth it. They'll only keep the possibility of wobbling him up to a felony as leverage to make him take a plea deal.

That's not to say Chris might not do or say something to force them to wobble him back up, but nobody wants that.
 
Every time Chris has received a largeish sum of money, he has spent it immediately on toys or vidya. Every time. It just evaporates within a month or two. Anytime he gets $1000+ in extra funds he treats it like his childhood Sega shopping spree.

Chris doesn't really think in terms of dollar values. He doesn't look at the price of something and decide whether or not he can afford it. All he knows is he wants it, and he'll continue buying whatever he wants until his cards get declined. Then he begs the internet for money. So his spending rate isn't really determined by his lowbrow lifestyle, but more by his current credit limit. Give him a huge lump sum and it will only delay the moment when his cards start being declined. He will continue to spend it until it runs out.
I just think that Chris's spending will be partially constrained by habit, not sudden responsibility. The previous windfalls have all been fractions of the potential sum if the tugboat has been accumulating, (big if, of course.) In the grand scheme of things, legos and toys are fairly cheap. Just as he doesn't adjust his wants when he doesn't have money, I don't think he'll adjust them when he does. He'll be bankrupt in a few months but I don't think he'll be bankrupt in a few days. The wild-card, I think, are single big-ticket purchases like a car or computer.

For the sake of comedy, I hope I'm entirely wrong of course. It would be extremely entertaining if he goes directly from jail to Toys-R-Us and clears out their entire stock of MLPs
 
Personally, I'm going to be curious if they try and hit Chris with additional charges.

More counts of incest are possible,

This is possible, and if a plea deal includes multiple counts they might be able to do meaningful probation.

If there's only one count then there will be no enforceable probation (they can put him on probation for a suspended sentence of like 1 or 2 days of jail if he hasn't served it all, or a fine).

It depends on if they have meaningful evidence (other than Chris' ramblings) that it happened on more than one occasion.

but the big one is if they try and nail him with a rape count. (Which isn't that far out there since you can show he obviously planned to have sexual relations with Barb.)

It's been discussed a hundred times. They haven't shown any intention of doing this. He would be in a different court if they did. It's not too late, of course, and we'll know if he shows up in the the circuit court system instead of J&DR where he is now. If they let him out instead, that means they don't intend to.

The other thing to watch for is if the judge bars him from further contact with Barb and living at 14 Branchland. (We know Barb isn't living there right now, but it is still her legal place of residence.)

He can order it but it will be toothless unless they have some consecutive suspended sentence, which would require multiple charges, and it would still be abnormal for J&DR.

The homeless saga could finally be here and/or Chris might attempt to go back to 14 Branchland CT against a possible order and wind right back behind bars.

Unless they have a have some other thing in their pocket to suspend besides the single incest charge, they can't meaningfully order him to stay away from 14BC if Barb isn't living there. They can order him to stay away from Barb but only if Barb is found to be incapacitated, since if she isn't she can just refute any order and say she wants to see Chris.

If he gets deferred disposition I don't know if that means they can keep the felony threat open or not. Technically it's post-trial-phase (in a plea deal a waived trial) so I *think* it would be double jeopardy to send him to another trial, but I don't know Virginia law well enough to say.

A deferred judgement on multiple charges might give it some teeth. A single charge would not.

Barring any probation with actual teeth, a non-incapacitated Barb would have to be okay with the order for it to be effective.

The most ideal thing for Chris would be being released for time served and then heading to the house and blowing the 10k in tugboat money that has built up. (And stay as long as whoever is paying the mortage can keep doing it.) Weens would love it as the Christory would continue for a bit.

Tugboat money might be gone if it was used to pay mortgage.

@Pointless Sperg
How does it work if he takes a plea deal and is granted time served.
That’s a conviction; do they take his benefits back to cover the time incarcerated?

No they do not take back pre-conviction benefits from when Chris was in jail. If they mistakenly did not suspend his benefits while he was in the state hospital, then they can try to claw those payments back.
 
Personally, I'm going to be curious if they try and hit Chris with additional charges.

More counts of incest are possible, but the big one is if they try and nail him with a rape count. (Which isn't that far out there since you can show he obviously planned to have sexual relations with Barb.)

The other thing to watch for is if the judge bars him from further contact with Barb and living at 14 Branchland. (We know Barb isn't living there right now, but it is still her legal place of residence.)

The homeless saga could finally be here and/or Chris might attempt to go back to 14 Branchland CT against a possible order and wind right back behind bars.
Chris absolutely cannot follow any probationary orders. He'll pretend to skim the documents for his lawyer then immediately violate some sort of no-contact order in about 30 minutes
 
Any information on what time his trail will be?

His trail is the trail of tears of his anchuent Cherokian ancestors.

If you mean his trial, there won't be a trial, there will be a hearing, and if he takes a plea deal there will never be a trial.

Please read the FAQ thread stickied at the top of the subforum, all of this shit is answered there.

Regarding the time of his hearing, we don't know. Call the clerk to check, or just show up early in the morning.
 
I feel like Chris at some point had the potential to become functional enough to care for himself in standard ways (like cooking, bathing, etc.) and maybe even hold down a simple job, but that would have been in childhood before his ego was set on a terminal course. He inherently has a shit personality and is dumb in a way that I think may not be related to autism.
He kinda did at one point. Just before Liquid Chris showed up he was starting to turn himself around, even if only in baby steps. As funny as the whole Liquid Chris saga was, he really did fuck up what little chance Chris had of ever living something approaching a normal life. He was never going to live an entirely normal life thanks to his parents being complete fuckups, but for a brief moment he had a chance at some kind of normalcy... and a couple of weens looking to yuck it up utterly ruined that. Honestly it would be a perfect coda to the story of Chris if Liquid Chris's life got turned upside-down in exactly the same way, if only as a warning to avoid staring into the abyss lest it stare right back into you.
 
Honestly it would be a perfect coda to the story of Chris if Liquid Chris's life got turned upside-down in exactly the same way, if only as a warning to avoid staring into the abyss lest it stare right back into you.

Well, Liquid did go through a presumably unhappy divorce with Kacey.
 
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