Community Munchausen's by Internet (Malingerers, Munchies, Spoonies, etc) - Feigning Illnesses for Attention

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The only other place I've seen this "celebrate your period returning" type thing was in the type of eating disorder recovery centers you pay for out of pocket.

At least there, celebrating your period coming back is supposed to help you deal with your painful emotions, especially if there is an extra hurdle to dealing with that like being more comfortable without one due to severe sexual abuse.

(Even there, it's not turned into a multiple day long celebration of one particular menstrual cycle.)
I hope she starts making potato print style artistic works of her crotch area (*), next.
Ok, that situation I can understand celebrating or acknowledging a menstrual cycle, I definitely didn’t think about that. Or a girls first maybe, though period parties still strike me as weird, I get wanting to instill the concept that it’s natural, it’s not inherently gross or shameful or embarrassing. But crotch potato prints? That’s a sad day to have eyes, but that story arc would be hilarious.
 
I don't know that she's spiralling. She's been like this since they pulled her TPN. But she also seems to be working and has not been in hospital for a while. I guess she is maybe having some kind of psychiatric intervention?
She's been to the ER multiple times and is/was trying hard to get the Cleveland Clinic to take her on. She hasn't been admitted because the doctors are on to her munching and don't want to waste their medical resources on her. So she's stayed away from an admission, but not for lack of her efforts.

They encouraged her to seek psychiatric help but she became offended that they weren't helping her so she needed to go on hospice. But she is showing off her antidepressants/anti-anxiety meds, so she's either getting some form of mental health help or has a GP that prescribes them without making her go through talk therapy.
 
“Munchausen by internet and false perinatal crises” (2014)
Listed authors: Kathryn V.J. Newns BA and Marc D. Feldman MD
https://www.researchgate.net/publication/280803988_Cyber-Munchausen_syndrome_a_case_report


Note from Drain Bamaged: This article is unusual with the fact it focuses on health care providers in the situations of being the victims of MBI acts. It contains 5 cases focusing on 4 (possibly 3) “poser” individuals and how they exploited doulas over the internet by engaging in excessive MBI acts focusing on false pregnancy crises and birth crises. This text was not manually transcribed by me.

Abstract:
Background: In representative cases of Munchausen by internet (MBI), an individual (or "poser") goes online to falsely report or exaggerate illnesses or life crises. The principal goal, as in factitious disorder imposed on self or another, is to garner emotional satisfaction. We provide the first evidence that MBI can target a specific type of health care provider-in this case, birthing doulas.

Methods: We describe 5 cases in which individuals have utilized social media platforms to report factitious perinatal illnesses and crises, including neonatal death, in real time. Current health headlines, such as those involving the COVID-19 pandemic, can be relevant to the ruses. Posers can engage in deceptions with several health care professionals concurrently or serially, and may portray multiple people ("sock puppets") at the same time.

Results: MBI has consequences that can be highly disruptive. In the cases highlighted in this report, many hours of support were given to individuals who had fabricated their pregnancies, infants, and perinatal complications. The doulas experienced feelings ranging from resignation to anger and betrayal.

Conclusions: Health care professionals of all types who offer services online should be vigilant to the risks of potential MBI.

The term “Munchausen by internet” (MBI) was coined in 2000 to refer to cases in which online attention and support are mobilized through manipulation of group members. In representative cases, a “poser” falsely reports or exaggerates physical or emotional ailments on social media; predictably, others who read or hear about the struggles attempt to provide constructive ideas and encouragement. Successful deceptions provide emotional gratification to the posers. The posers sometimes create other characters to interact with their online audience, known as “sock puppets” in internet vernacular. The prevalence of such internet deception is unknown, but is probably more common than “real life” enactments of factitious illness and crisis, if only because of the accessibility and anonymity of the internet. Myriad well-meaning individuals have been misled in this way, but an informal review of the literature suggests that health care providers are not currently represented in the literature on the subject.

Doulas provide support for women and couples through pregnancy, labor and birth, and in the postnatal period. Doulas do not administer clinical interventions, but provide practical support alongside midwives, physicians, and other health care professionals. Doulas aim to equip families with balanced information about their maternity care. It is not possible to reliably estimate the number of doulas currently in the United States or the United Kingdom because there is no central registration body in either country. However, DoulaMatch.net, a website that connects families with doulas, had >10,000 registered doulas in the United States and Canada in 2020. A worldwide doula certification organization, DONA International (previously known as Doulas of North America), states that it has certified >12,000 doulas in 50 countries.

The names of the doulas in the cases presented in this report have been replaced by pseudonyms, and each doula volunteered to participate in ≥1 informal interviews for a published work.

During the COVID-19 lockdown in the United Kingdom, a doula named Charlotte received the following text message:

€€ “Hello, my name is Jess. I am a first-time mum. I have just turned 39 weeks yesterday, I was booked for a home birth but now the team have pulled out so I swapped to a birth centre but yesterday that has closed in order to give single rooms to COVID-19 labouring mums to keep them isolated if they are showing any symptoms. I am now in early labor and have been told to stay at home for as long as possible. I’m a bit embarrassed to text or call you in case I am disturbing you or you already have a high volume. It was my mother-in- law who gave me your contact details.”

It is not unusual for a doula to be approached in this sudden way, especially during the COVID-19 lockdown. Doulas support birthing mothers and can do so “remotely” if requested; during the pandemic, this remote support has been requested frequently. Some doulas advertise that they can offer “emergency support in early labor.”

A story unfolded of “Jessica,” a young pregnant woman whose husband, Jordan, had cystic fibrosis and had recently undergone a heart and lung transplant. They could not afford to pay for the doula, so Charlotte offered support on a pro bono basis. Jessica said that she could not go to the hospital because the COVID-19 risks to her husband were too high. Charlotte urged her to ask for a midwife to assist birth at home and was told later that day that although a midwife team had agreed to support her, they were not yet on the scene.

When Jordan began texting Charlotte from the same WhatsApp number Jessica had used, Charlotte asked why he did not have a different contact number. She was told that “the devices are synchronised.” As the hours went by, Charlotte was sent a picture of a “show” and a baby bump sitting low. Later, she was sent a photo of a large blood clot. The following day, Charlotte was on the phone with Jordan, via texting or voice, for >8 hours. Eventually, she was told that the midwives had arrived, and she could hear Jessica crying, grunting, and pushing. A baby, she was told, was born at 2 am. There was the unmistakable sound of a newborn infant crying in the background. Charlotte received a photograph of a newborn baby, and stayed on the line to listen to Jessica while Jordan sent texts.

Then problems began. The baby was whimpering and groaning; Jessica had a postpartum hemorrhage; paramedics and trauma doctors were called; and Jessica needed to go to the hospital for a transfusion. The baby had to go to a different hospital. At the hospital, the baby was diagnosed with a congenital heart disease.

During the next 7 days, Charlotte continued to provide support, primarily by text. The baby had a cardiac arrest—but survived—and later needed surgery, but it could not be undertaken. Eventually, the baby was allowed home, with the assumption that he would not have long to live. The midwives that had been present at the birth were supposed to offer 24-hour wrap-around support. One of the midwives began communicating with Charlotte on WhatsApp.

At this point, Charlotte was being contacted via 4 platforms: WhatsApp, text message, telephone, and Zoom. She was sent photos and videos of what appeared to be a baby with a feeding tube. Charlotte reported that Jessica recounted a series of horrific events. Although Charlotte had doubts, she found the stories convincing, with seemingly plausible explanations and highly accurate medical descriptions, and heard sounds of a baby crying (which were later determined to be recorded). Charlotte believed what she was seeing and hearing.

After 9 days, Charlotte spoke to her own professional mentor. This senior doula asked Charlotte if she had ever had visual contact with the midwives. Charlotte asked the midwife on WhatsApp to share visual identification but received no response. Eventually, she video-called Jessica and confronted her gently about the questionable reality of the infant. Jessica denied that the baby was not real. She showed Charlotte a growth chart as “proof” of the baby’s existence (which, Charlotte noted, a baby that was 5 days old would not have). It took Charlotte half an hour to convince herself there was no baby and had been no midwives—and not even “Jordan.”

Another doula supported the same person, “Jessica,” for >2 years but knew her as “Dakota.” The doula helped Dakota through the loss of her baby and a parent, as well as other tragedies.
Dakota had made a video for her doula that is publicly available on YouTube. The video shows a hospital room, containers of milk, gauze dressings, and some medical equipment. It does not include any people. In the video, Dakota talks of her love and thanks for the support she received as her baby died of Pierre Robin sequence, a congenital defect involving the face and skull. A baby loss charity confirmed that it had provided Dakota with counseling for 2 years, but could not confirm the pregnancy or loss of the infant. Dakota had also written about her experience on baby loss blogs.

Sara, a doula, was approached by “Hannah” for antenatal doula support via a text message. She told Sara that she did not want anyone to help with the actual birth. Instead, she hoped for someone to “bounce ideas off and ask silly questions” because she did not have many friends. Hannah reported that the baby’s father was in another country and “he doesn’t want to know.” She claimed to be a photographer and paramedic who lived with her parents. She offered a small payment in lieu of full payment for services.

During the third or fourth phone call, Hannah ostensibly went into labor and started making statements to Sara such as, “Tell me you won’t leave me.” Hannah went to the hospital and Sara continued to support her. Having helped Hannah with breathing and positioning throughout the night by phone and text, Sara spoke to her the following morning. Hannah reported that the baby had a brain bleed and had been taken to a tertiary care hospital. Hannah did not mention this misfortune until after she had given a surprisingly excited, exuberant account of the birth. Hannah said that she was waiting for her parents to come to pick her up.

Sara spoke to Hannah via video chat most evenings, but mainly communicated via text messaging. There were more reported problems with the baby, and a mental health crisis team was mobilized due to concerns that Hannah would take her own life. Further, Hannah’s father had a heart attack and died, and the baby died 4 days after this last calamity.

Sara let Hannah know that she could not continue to help after the baby had died because she was not an expert in bereavement support. Sara did not hear from Hannah for a few days, but then Hannah contacted Sara, apparently struggling to breathe. When Sara expressed concern, Hannah disclosed that she had an infection due to a stent in her heart that she had received after she was trampled by a horse. Hannah said she was told she had only a short time to live.

It was at this stage that Sara stopped contact. It had become apparent through discussions with other doulas that Hannah was a poser. Other doulas were working with Hannah at the time, and they told Hannah that they knew her actions were an elaborate hoax. Some offered to put Hannah in touch with others who could provide support for her authentic problems. Hannah opted to end her contact with all of them, including Sara.

A doula named Anya had contact with “Hayley,” who had asked for support for her pregnancy on a doula-centered Facebook page. A midwife had shared Hayley’s message with the other doulas. Anya felt she could help and reached out, with all subsequent communication occurring via WhatsApp or text messaging. Hayley claimed that she was too shy to video chat or call. Initially, Hayley reported that she was 35 weeks pregnant and in labor, and felt frightened and alone. She asked Anya to email her partner, “Jack,” claiming that his phone was broken, and they could not contact each other in more direct ways.

Jack sent Anya approximately 300 emails in 3 days, in addition to the text and WhatsApp messages from Hayley. Hayley’s labor progressed slowly, and during this time Jack told Anya he was in the hospital because he had COVID-19.

Following Jack’s diagnosis, Hayley was also diagnosed with COVID-19, was receiving oxygen, and was on the verge of being ventilated. Her COVID-19 symptoms worsened, and a “nurse” texted Anya (using the same number as Hayley) to report that Hayley had been resuscitated. The nurse also emailed Anya, but did not provide a professional email address, saying she had to use her personal account due to problems accessing her business email account.

Anya reported that new dramas would continually unfold. Hayley texted to tell Anya that:
€€ the baby was breech
€€ There was a second pregnancy (she claimed to have 2 uteruses and the second pregnancy was at 13 weeks gestation)
€€ the first baby was born unwell
€€ the baby had been conceived via rape
€€ the baby was diagnosed with life-threatening
COVID-19.

The nurse continued to send emails, stating that Jack had come to the hospital and assaulted Hayley. On another occasion, he had brandished a gun in the hospital. Then Hayley texted to say that the baby had died.

Anya called the police. The police investigated and confirmed that no gun had been brought into that or any other hospital. Furthermore, there was no evidence of Hayley in the records of any area hospital.

Several years ago, a doula named Lisa was contacted by a “grandmother” who provided a photo, ostensibly of herself. She indicated that she wanted to find a doula for her daughter-in-law, “Anna.” Within hours of the doula being put in touch with Anna, Anna was giving birth. There were no major crises, but Anna sought reassurance, especially when the baby was taken back to the hospital for problems with his breathing and heart rate. Seemingly, these problems resolved. Payment was offered to the doula but never provided. Communication ceased after 3 weeks. The photos of the “grandmother” and the corresponding phone numbers were shared with other doulas. At least 3 other doulas reported that they had supported this same “family” through identical scenarios.

In factitious disorder (FD), an individual fabricates or induces illness primarily to garner emotional gratification. The term “Munchausen syndrome,” although absent from DSM-5, may be better known, and has been conceptualized as a severe manifestation of FD. The social media correlate, termed “Munchausen by internet” 2 decades ago and illustrated by the preceding cases, involves a poser who infiltrates groups to elicit nurturance and empathy for tragic but false or exaggerated circumstances. In the cases presented here, it has been established that no money, gifts, or other external rewards were provided to the posers. Therefore, these cases do not represent simple malingering (or “malingering by internet”). One of the authors (MDF) is aware of a text edit in the upcoming DSM-5-TR to clarify that factitious disorder, whether imposed on self or another, can be carried out partly or fully online.

With the COVID-19 lockdown, many helping professionals have moved to providing support online or via the telephone. This change may increase the number of professionals available to be targeted online and the overall number of active MBI cases. Notably, at least 2 of the cases in this report included explicit claims about COVID-19 restrictions. The nascent literature suggests that posers often exploit health headlines to mobilize the sympathy they seek.

We cannot firmly establish the number of actual individuals behind the ruses in these 5 case studies. Based on comparisons of the presentations among the cases, we concluded that there may be only 3 different posers described. “Jessica/Dakota” has been confirmed by a group of doulas to be known by at least 2 other names. The doulas have shared videos and photographs of her and confirmed they have all provided support to this one person. In all cases involving this person, her baby (sometimes twins) has complex medical conditions that result in their death. It is also common that a family member dies or is dying from a medical condition. The posers “Anna” and “Hayley” did not allow contact by video and did not share photographs. At least 3 doulas confirmed that they had supported “Anna,” and each confirmed the use of the same photograph of her professed mother-in-law. “Hayley” was unique in that the doula who supported her noticed that she used the word “pleases” rather than “please,” with this same idiosyncrasy found in messages from both “Hayley” and her partner.

Consistent with previous research on individuals who had been misled via MBI, the doulas who were deceived reacted in diverse ways. Several were interviewed after weeks or months to reassess their thoughts and feelings. Some of the doulas noted how much more suspicious they were of requests for their services. The few who had reported their experiences to the police were told that no crime had been committed because no money was taken. One of the doulas, Sara, developed an online training program for birthing assistants to teach them how to work online professionally but safely. As part of this training, she shares her own story. The first security step she recommends is an identity check by video at the earliest stage of contact. She also reinforces the need to see that the client is actually pregnant or has a baby with them. Sara notes that some people can “fake” a pregnancy convincingly (by using prosthetics or distending their abdomens) or use very lifelike dolls. She therefore also asks for the names and contact details of the client’s primary physician and midwife. She requests a nominal fee at the earliest stage, and urges doulas to execute a formal contract, even if care is being provided pro bono. One doula, Charlotte, now follows this advice and, as a result, feels that professionally, “I have locked my doors. They used to be wide open for anyone to walk through.”

Some doulas reported feeling bereaved themselves, while others remain angry, noting that they will never be compensated for their considerable work. Some feel “silly” or resigned. Anya recalled an initial sense of relief that the purported series of tragic events “hadn’t really happened to someone” and that she was no longer obliged to offer support. Charlotte stated that she has felt “stalked,” observing that even after the contact ceased, Charlotte continued to have the “feeling [the poser] is in every corner of my life.” She worries, for example, about whether she is being followed on social media, and she repeatedly checks that she has locked her doors at home.

Anya said that she had doubted the stories of “Hayley” on several occasions, but added, “It is very difficult to question a grieving mother or someone who is claiming rape had occurred.” She observed that her reaction was fueled by her awareness that society historically has had a narrative of “not believing women” who report sexual assault.

Many doulas worried about the safety of the posers, concerned that they may be a threat to themselves or others. Several doulas offered to help one of the posers to find psychological treatment, but that poser never accepted this assistance. Perhaps the most poignant comment of all came from a doula who stated, “Even when you walk away, you are left with a sense that you’ve let the patient down in some way.”

health care professionals of all types who offer services online should be vigilant to the risks of potential MBI. A range of internet-based media can be employed, singly or in combination, to facilitate the medical deceptions. “Betrayal trauma”—a sense of victimization from being misled while earnestly attempting to help—can develop once the ruses are exposed. As these cases with doulas illustrate, simple techniques for validating the information provided can reduce the likelihood that deceptions will be plied successfully.

Disclosure at the publication’s end: “The authors report no financial relationships with any companies whose products are mentioned in this article, or with manufacturers of competing products.”

Postpartum depression? Postpartum psychosis? Recreating a traumatic birth (to cope with it)(to not cope with it)? Falsifying a birth to cope with miscarriage, stillbirth, infertility? Whatever the mental illness present could be, each individual must find the mental health services they each so desperately require. The victims, the many healthcare providers, were scammed out of the paid services they provide. Many of the doulas were impacted negatively in their personal self by the exhaustive MBI acts. It is unacceptable that the deceivers had no significant consequences for using a service under false pretenses without paying.


Case 1- so much time and emotion, worrying on the doula’s part and anxiety about the well being of mother and infant during labour and birth. Then, a screeching shift in tone. Major plot twist. I suspect this was more about deep rooted delusions within Jessica’s mind. Concern, pitty, and resentment are braided together in this case.

Case 2- how did she fake the hospital room and equipment? Why did she dedicate more than two years to the ruse? It’s infuriating how she wasted so much of a charity resource with counseling a factitious life.

Case 3- this poser in specific needs years of extensively thorough therapy. The anxiety that the doula must have felt during the false crises, having believed they were real.

Case 4- the poser allotted a remarkable amount of energy put into the excessive communication of this ruse, considering the short time frame. Much of what the poser claimed was obviously not well thought out. The fantastical claims are creative, though. I have so much empathy for the victim for how intensely she was bled dry for her emotion and attention.

Case 5- “Grandmother”/“Anna” it’s possible she is reenacting an actual traumatic birth she had, possibly wherein she lost the infant due to the infant having breathing problems. Reenacting via MBI gives Anna the ability to experience the birth again, but with sole control over the ending each time.

&&. She showed Charlotte a growth chart as “proof” of the baby’s existence (which, Charlotte noted, a baby that was 5 days old would not have).

&&. She told Sara that she did not want anyone to help with the actual birth. Instead, she hoped for someone to “bounce ideas off and ask silly questions” because she did not have many friends.

&&. Hannah reported that the baby had a brain bleed and had been taken to a tertiary care hospital. Hannah did not mention this misfortune until after she had given a surprisingly excited, exuberant account of the birth.

&&. Sara let Hannah know that she could not continue to help after the baby had died because she was not an expert in bereavement support….Hannah contacted Sara, apparently struggling to breathe…..Hannah disclosed that she had an infection……Hannah said she was told she had only a short time to live……It was at this stage that Sara stopped contact.

&&. Some [doulas] offered to put Hannah in touch with others who could provide support for her authentic problems. Hannah opted to end her contact with all of them, including Sara.

&&.[fantastical claims] €€ There was a second pregnancy (she claimed to have 2 uteruses and the second pregnancy was at 13 weeks gestation)

&&. Furthermore, there was no evidence of Hayley in the records of any area hospital.

&&. [after finding out everything was a lie] Some doulas reported feeling bereaved themselves, while others remain angry, noting that they will never be compensated for their considerable work.

&&. Perhaps the most poignant comment of all came from a doula who stated, “Even when you walk away, you are left with a sense that you’ve let the patient down in some way.”

&&. Her COVID-19 symptoms worsened, and a “nurse” texted Anya (using the same number as Hayley) to report that Hayley had been resuscitated.

Thread relevance:
&&. With the COVID-19 lockdown, many helping professionals have moved to providing support online or via the telephone. This change may increase the number of professionals available to be targeted online and the overall number of active MBI cases.

&&. One of the authors (MDF) is aware of a text edit in the upcoming DSM-5-TR to clarify that factitious disorder, whether imposed on self or another, can be carried out partly or fully online.
 
Unsure if there's a current death pool, but if there is I have my contribution.

Dani, who puts shit on her central line and has the most horrifying bathroom, is looking and acting worse than ever. She looks like a drug addict and twice her real age (36).
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She reminds me of Jaquie shortly before her death in the way that she seems to be spiraling. If the munching doesn't kill her, driving under the influence will. Yes, she knows how to drive and does it on that cocktail.

I have a video of Alexandra's interview but I want to write a transcript down for it and I've been putting that off, but I'll try to get that done soon.

I am concerned, in the same way that I am for Staphy Cianfriglia, or the delayed munchie who fucked herself up. Dani is incapable of taking care of herself, or she is capable but has such disregard for her wellbeing that she chooses to let herself live in total filth. Both are pretty bad.

She did all this to herself, and she seems like a completely self centered cunt, but I honestly think she could maybe get better if she was in a mental health group home of some kind and getting intensive therapy. Or maybe not by now, but a few years ago she could've. She should still take a shower and get someone nice to help her pick age appropriate clothing.

She's been to the ER multiple times and is/was trying hard to get the Cleveland Clinic to take her on. She hasn't been admitted because the doctors are on to her munching and don't want to waste their medical resources on her. So she's stayed away from an admission, but not for lack of her efforts.

They encouraged her to seek psychiatric help but she became offended that they weren't helping her so she needed to go on hospice. But she is showing off her antidepressants/anti-anxiety meds, so she's either getting some form of mental health help or has a GP that prescribes them without making her go through talk therapy.

That useless insipid bitch is back I see. There's little to no chance she's actually using the tube as intended, as a) shed spew those meds post haste, and b) if she was truly on a liquid diet it'd be pissing out her arsehole regardless of how hard the dumb bitch tried to keep it in.

Obvious it's there for attention, and its probably fucked her up cos she's not using it and not keeping an eye on it. Her own damn fault if something happens anyway. I mean this is the woman who had a faecal based infection in her central line which vould only have got there by using shit fingers to do stuff.
 
I understand that, but it doesn't really answer my question. Amusement park rides aren't normal day-to-day activities. They're designed specifically to put the body through various types of stress that aren't generally an issue for healthy people, but would cause problems for people with various medical issues (regardless of their function in their daily lives).

If someone's limbs are spontaneously dislocating, a roller coaster would seem to be something they would want to avoid, just because something that will probably dislocate a joint would no longer be a fun activity. If you have seizures, migraines, or a heart condition, you're generally not going out of your way to do something that that is going to cause a seizure/migraine/heart attack. Not only out of practicality, but because those things lose their appeal when the consequences suck. Heck, even people who get nauseous easily aren't heading over to ride the tea cups.

So, all these munchie girls off to Disney and amusement parks seem particularly off to me. But since I'm just not familiar enough with their claimed conditions, I wanted to know if that is reasonable or not. While pretty much any condition has a range of effects, would someone with these conditions really choose to go on amusement park rides? That's what I'm curious about.
No, it’s not a normal activity for anyone under the long term care of a neurologist and with the issues they claim. Rollercoasters and the like would be strictly forbidden. These weirdos just aren’t committing fully and it’s confusing to all the other potential weirdos and what flags them as fakers.
 
I loved fat, sad-face Allison and her tumblr adventures.
She had it all. The manipulation of her definitely autistic boyfriend/roommate, her doordashing Starbucks drinks that even Chantal would complain were too sweet.
Not to mention her videos of her in her ‘stimming corner’ where she’s be flapping and rocking with greasy af hair, a weighted blanket, and drooling on a chew toy. Her reviews of psychiatric hospitals across North America were always entertaining.

Ashley doesn’t hold a candle to Alison’s antics.
The thing I remember most vividly about Alison was that her autist boyfriend/roommate/thrall always wore the same color and style shirt in every photo she posted. I always imagined he had a closet like a cartoon character, just a long line of hangers with the exact same outfit on each one.

That, and she never spelled Delaware the same way twice.
 
The thing I remember most vividly about Alison was that her autist boyfriend/roommate/thrall always wore the same color and style shirt in every photo she posted. I always imagined he had a closet like a cartoon character, just a long line of hangers with the exact same outfit on each one.

That, and she never spelled Delaware the same way twice.
Wait, are you talking about sad Allyson with the fake DID? I don't ever remember seeing a picture of Alex! I was always wildly curious as to which of the two was getting the worse deal, given how much of a dumpy sad-act she is. The whole #freealex thing on IFGW used to make me giggle a lot.

I hope she starts producing milk again soon, she was always such fun to mock.
 
That useless insipid bitch is back I see. There's little to no chance she's actually using the tube as intended, as a) shed spew those meds post haste, and b) if she was truly on a liquid diet it'd be pissing out her arsehole regardless of how hard the dumb bitch tried to keep it in.

Obvious it's there for attention, and its probably fucked her up cos she's not using it and not keeping an eye on it. Her own damn fault if something happens anyway. I mean this is the woman who had a faecal based infection in her central line which vould only have got there by using shit fingers to do stuff.
Not to mention the gross retard has one of the most disgusting fucking sinks I’ve ever seen and just lets her line marinade in that Petri dish. Shit looks like a bathroom from Texas Chainsaw Massacre
 

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Not to mention the gross retard has one of the most disgusting fucking sinks I’ve ever seen and just lets her line marinade in that Petri dish. Shit looks like a bathroom from Texas Chainsaw Massacre
Ok but have you seen her toothbrush?
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3 days ago, Crayola featured our friend Julian (the disabled hippy) in a facebook ad. Of course, differing opinions on using a transgender rep caused an uproar and Crayola deleted the post.
I grabbed a few articles that mention/direct quote the post by Crayola.
Right-wingers are accusing Crayola of being trans loving perverts
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Woke Crayola enrages parents
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Keep peak transing people, Shelby Lynn Logsdon! Could have just been a lesbian.
 
I've come with another Dre McCray update and it's kind of funny...

Molly Golightly posted audio of a video call that Andrea was subjected to from Vanessa Tijerina. Who, you ask?

Vanessa is a prolific crazy person, having run for state senate but also being arrested for being in possession of a crack pipe in 2020. According to some YT comments, she has been arrested ten times and had her children removed from her as well.

For some reason, I guess Andrea heard this woman was involved in politics and took a call from her. In the call, Vanessa says she's been a nurse for twenty five years and has all these credentials and begins parroting back Andrea's talking points to her after having just learned about her that day. She says Andrea couldn't have helped Marvon in case of a hypothetical DNR. She says she doesn't need to read any of the stuff online to know Andrea is just being hunted. She essentially rants at Andrea for 10 minutes before letting her speak.

The not so funny part..

Marvon's mother has reported that Marvon smiled when she kissed his hand and that he is "responsive" in that you can feel his muscles moving to try and hold her hand. She claims that Marvon slightly opened his eyes when she requested him to do so. She confirmed he is no longer on a ventilator.

The way his mother speaks clearly and solemnly about it and the fact she has remained pretty level headed through this, I feel this is unlikely to be wishful thinking on her part and the actual truth. She has seen him several times and only recently gave this update and I believe she had originally felt she was petitioning to see her "dieing son".

I don't think this means Marvon is necessarily going to be able to speak on what happened to him anytime soon if at all (terrifying, but at least his mother is involved) but he seems to have a better chance than originally thought of in May when it first happened.

An interesting theory - could Marvon have been so overdosed on these herbal remedies that it's taken a month and a half for him to detox enough to no longer give him possible side effects of mixing the proper medications the hospital has prescribed with Dre's random concoctions and thats why he's able to actually start some process of recovery? She kept saying he was "pure blood" and way healthier than normal people but maybe that's the positive spin on so heavily overdosed that western medication can't even function properly?
 
What the fuck? Please tell me this isn't really her toothbrush.
bc we all love you so much here you go 💕
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Not sure when this was originally from exactly, but over a year ago

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Same toothbrush, after some time.
You're looking at the bristles with toothpaste on it.

I guess to her credit this does illustrate she uses the toothbrush over time?


edit: corrected errors of mobile faggotry
 
bc we all love you so much here you go 💕
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Not sure when this was originally from exactly, but over a year ago

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Same toothbrush, after some time.
You're looking at the bristles with toothpaste on it.

I guess to her credit this does illustrate she uses the toothbrush over time?


edit: corrected errors of mobile faggotry
WHAT THE FUCK IS SHE BRUSHING?!

I don't like this. (:_(
 
bc we all love you so much here you go 💕
View attachment 3531881
Not sure when this was originally from exactly, but over a year ago

View attachment 3531918

Same toothbrush, after some time.
You're looking at the bristles with toothpaste on it.

I guess to her credit this does illustrate she uses the toothbrush over time?


edit: corrected errors of mobile faggotry
thanks! I couldn’t find the originals this morning.
 
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