General Discussion for Virtual Youtubers / Vtubers / Chuubas - it's okay to be a simp for 2D, just don't thirstpost.

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Anyway, Magni cooked up one hell of a picture to use for his Spore thumbnail
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The responses on Twitter have been goddamn glorious. He really woke up and chose violence.
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people are saying Gura and others added idol to their bio because of either vt sperging or to signal they dont intend to collab with stars
but I think it's actually because of twitter sperging and bitching about idol culture at them recently
obviously it has its problems but twitter doesnt do nuance and shitting all over the aspects they like would probably piss them off, especially right as they were super excited for HoloFES and other concerts recently

twitter is probably to blame for 97% of the problems in the world anyway
 
Another day, another grooming incident. This time, in the SEA VTuber scene. Today, I present you lunacy.

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The resemblance is uncanny isn't it? This is CLORO. And this is Janel. His friend. And this will be a wild ride.

Synopsis

Manuel Angelo R. Abanilla aka CLORO is an 18-year-old predator, a sex pest if you will, who has groomed several victims through Discord. CLORO is a passionate programmer, gamer, and virtual youtuber fan. He's also a YandereDev wannabe in that he wants to pursue a career in game development and eventually create a game company. Unfortunately, he has left a trail of rotten and moldy breadcrumbs that will inevitably doom his future plans and endeavors.

On July 26, 2022 one of CLORO's victims, Yaque Ch, posted on Facebook and Twitter to raise awareness of the heinous acts and absolute degeneracy of CLORO. The post describes how the victim became acquainted with CLORO and how they eventually grew friends until CLORO showed his true colors. Each image is accompanied with a text description explaining the context behind the screenshots of their chat logs. The Victim, Yaque, met CLORO when a friend of hers recommended him to be her manager. At first it started out fine until CLORO slowly bared his fangs and revealed his predatory instincts.

On July 27, 2022 another one of CLORO's victims, Shizuka Takahashi, posted on Facebook to tell her story. It's quite similar to how Yaque met CLORO. They would become acquainted through Discord, chat a bit, become friends, and then break off because CLORO would show his true colors. A pattern should start to become noticeable at this point. And I'm sure you already know how this kind of thing always goes.

On the same day, July 27, 2022, Yaque would post on Facebook again to share the story of an anonymous victim. Presumably, this victim had become intimate with CLORO. The post describes the absolute retardation, entitlement, denial, degeneracy, and manipulative tactics that CLORO employs to absolve himself of blame and faults for the degradation and eventual destruction of his relationships with his victims. I pity the girl. You don't even need to read the entire thing to know just how bad it is.

On July 26, 2022, 5 hours after Yaque put up her post on Facebook, Janel posted to show his side of the story. In Yaque's post it was mentioned that Janel is CLORO's friend. I suppose he was a close associate. It was also mentioned that CLORO and Janel saw Yaque at Cosplay Carnival 2022, a convention that ran from April 30 to May 1. The intent is not exactly clear as to why they decided to pretend making a vlog. The vlog does exist and is uploaded to Janel's YouTube channel. Either way it's retarded and it comes off as someone who wants to wash his hands off of the shitshow his friend has gotten himself in.

On July 27, 2022, Janel posted on Facebook to wash his hands off. Again. It just makes him look even worse and if anything it only made him look like a two-faced hypocrite. Janel is a friend of CLORO and we're all too familiar with the term 'birds of a feather flock together'. In it, the full conversation is posted between the victim Yaque and him. However, he takes a defensive stance rebuking CLORO and Yaque when in the conversation posted he said that he's pretty much neutral on the whole shitshow. It is also worth mentioning that CLORO is one of the co-owners of a Millie Parfait Discord Fan Server. He is no longer present in the server as of writing [July 27]. His last message (in accessible channels anyway) was sent on July 25, 2022.

In summary, Manuel Angelo R. Abanilla aka CLORO, is a groomer and a predator who approaches unwary victims under the guise of offering help. After gaining the trust of the victims he would cross boundaries and violate them for the sole purpose of fulfilling his selfish and lustful desires. He would often condition his victims to normalize inappropriate and lewd behavior. He would even condition his victims to enter in a relationship with him. Overtime, his selfish and degenerate acts would degrade and destroy the relationships between him and his victims. When the inevitable occurs, he tries to absolve himself of all faults and responsibilities for the actions and consequences he has wrought. After that, he would move on to other unsuspecting victims, repeating the same cycle all over again.

I do not know of any kind of drama Janel has embroiled himself in other than this one. It is safe to assume however that Janel is quite possibly involved with whatever shenanigans and degeneracy CLORO would be up to. Despite what he says, it is undoubtful that he is just as rotten as CLORO. Well, probably more or less rotten. But only time will tell if more dirty laundry gets aired out in the following days.

Yaque Ch Twitter Post - http://archive.today/nflow
Yaque Ch FB Post #1 - http://archive.today/UDa6B
Yaque Ch FB Post #2 - http://archive.today/4cNoO
CLORO Defense - http://archive.today/9ergj
Janel Handwashing #1 - http://archive.today/1SEwW
Janel Handwashing #2 - http://archive.today/fg0pe

Down below are the archived posts and images accompanied with descriptions, transcripts, and translations.
Raising Awareness for my female Vtuber friends (since I'm not the only victim, people have reached out to me)
First of all, I would like to let you all know, that this is NOT a call-out post, but I wanted to raise awareness about this particular person named Cloro.

It took me a few months to think about whether or not I should make something like this, but I think its time to let everyone know the things we went through because of him

How I met Cloro:

A friend of mine recommended him to me to be my manager. He reached out to me via discord DMs and we started chatting to get to know each other better. As I mentioned I was looking for a manager so I gave him my IRL accounts so that he could contact me easier because I was more active there. This is where things started to get weird.

One of the first things he told me was that i look very similar to a well-known PH Vtuber (He worked with the Vtuber early in her career) I found it weird that he was comparing me to this person out of nowhere and it weirded me out that he was interested in that specifically because from my understanding he told some of his friends that i looked like this PH Vtuber IRL, but at the time I didn’t really mind.

He was really helpful at first, he helped me make an official Discord server for my Vtuber, gave me opinions on the things i was working on, and he also monitored my stream alongside a good friend that also offered to help manage things but not full time.

THE OTHER VICTIM'S SIDE(2) : https://web.facebook.com/photo/?fbid=175753951594510&set=a.112487784587794
Im sorry,, im shock that theres ANOTHER victim (3) who reached out to me https://m.facebook.com/story.php?story_fbid=555263469677783&id=100055824056220

Please read the description of each picture

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Again, I was looking for a manager, and he knows that,I wanted our relationship to be professional and a bit friendly. But then I announced i wanted to go on a hiatus to focus on doing Art commissions and I told him about it. One of his concerns was if I wasn’t gonna talk to him anymore since I’m going on a hiatus, Refer to the screenshots


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So as a friendly gesture I told him we could still talk and become friends. We started chatting more, exchanged alot of memes, and talked about random things, you know, things you normally do with friends.


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Maybe he thought I was interested in him romantically or something because a month later he told me he wanted to tell me something in person in Cosmatsuri (a cosplay convention).

I didn’t know what he wanted to say so I said ok. We met up in Cosmatsuri, I asked him what he wanted to tell me but he told me he was too shy to say, I didn’t wanna assume anything so i didn’t really think about it. He then started holding my hand out of nowhere saying I might get left behind because I walk so slow so I thought why not. I felt weird about that whole thing, so I asked my friend about it and he said it was weird and not normal and that he was acting as if he had some other intentions. I defended him at first because I didn't wanna assume he would do something like that and I eventually told him what my friend thought about the whole hand-holding thing. Refer to the screenshot


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In this screenshot, he says he doesnt like SEXUAL STUFF, spoiler alert, he starts asking for it

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Later on, he confessed to me on call, I was very sleepy at the time so I wasn't paying much attention and I told him I was sleepy. He still tried to keep the conversation going about how he had feelings for me but at the time I was too drowsy to pay attention. So when we ended the call he asked if I heard what he said and then he told me he liked me in chat. I tried to avoid it at first bc I didn't know what to say, I didn't really wanna be in a relationship either. I never really answered his confession, When I read back the msgs I don't understand how he came to that conclusion, but it seems like he thought I felt the same way.

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This happened around dawn, so later in the day, after we slept, he asked me again to clarify what we are, like if we were dating or something. I don’t really know how we ended up being together?? After re-reading our conversation, I never said I liked him back, and I never really agreed that we were dating.


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Later on I found out that apparently while I had a little too much to drink and very sleepy, he sent a video claiming it was a recording of me saying I like him. He claims that he was coding and he was screen recording to send a clip to his client and it just so happens I was on call with him and the screen recording also captured my voice in discord. Because of this, he thought I had feelings for him even if I don't recall saying it. Refer to screenshot for my reaction

And then the continuation of the screenshots of him persisting to be in a relationship.

As you can see, I don't understand what he's saying. It doesn't really make sense to me even now, I don't know what he meant by “it's the best of you”. So if you're confused reading the screenshots, I’m as confused as you are


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This is the part when I told some of my friends about my status and that I (apparently) have a boyfriend now, but all of the sudden he started praising himself which most of it I cannot understand, except for the part where he said I'm lazy.

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And so our relationship went on; at first, it was wholesome, he taught me how to be lovey-dovey because being sweet is really not my love language, things escalated quickly when he started to ask for weird little things like:

The time when he pressured me to touch myself, his reason being he wants me to mature or grow up he pressured me by ‘reminding’ which I do not NEED to be reminded of? (referred to the funky yet Uncomfortable screenshot) I literally reminded him a lot of times that I do NOT like sexual stuff yet he persists, saying it's normal for a relationship to have that etc.

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This is when I finally said ‘sure’ so he would shut up and then I asked why he wanted to know about it.


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This was when he asked me for a hand job, I swear, I acted dumb that time but he's was being pushy and all, the funny part here is he tried to teach me step by step how to do it cause he thought I was that DUMB

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this was on the same day as the last screenshot, where he asked to touch my booba

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Here he assumed that I told my friends bad things about him because they blocked him (when I asked them about it, a lot of them said they didn't like him in the first place and stayed friends with him out of respect of our supposed relationship at the time. So when they found out we broke up they just blocked him )

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here are some screenshots that his friend sent to me a few months after we broke up, he was saying these things to his friends.

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here's a screenshot of a convo with one of his other victims, I asked her permission to post it, but for privacy reasons I censored her name and profile picture.

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A msg from cloro's friend, janel

this is ironic because he called out one of my friend's friends tons of times even if they havent done anything wrong. But in this situation he says he cant leave cloro alone like that.

He gave my friend's friends a lot of stress for his own ego but now that he's in the same situation with cloro, he just stays quiet.

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another screenshot from one of his victims of cloro telling her how him and janel (his friend) saw me in the convention
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Everything started with him dm'ing about my server. I thought he just wanted to help me about it even though I already have a server (at that time). I didn't pay much attention to him since I also had a lot of problems in mind at that time.

Few weeks went on and I learned from his friends that when he dm'ed me about this stuff it was to "cope" about the "damage" Yaque did to him.

[please understand that I'm covering my discord name due to my privacy concerns also and I don't want to share ln this account my vtuber name]


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and so this was his reasoning of wanting to help me...at that time i wasn't thinking of having a "fanbase" since I haven't actually streamed at that time

Fast forward after I sent him an invite to my server, we became pretty chill friends. I never saw him as something else other than friends.

[Do note again that all those things that happened has been pretty vague to me so you might say that this doesn't make any sense or whatsoever].

He and I interacted a few times on discord servers and all those. He was pretty nice to me at the start of the "friendship" until when I had a collab with a vtuber who was debuting at that time also. I told him (Cl*ro) and some people who're in the collab that I'm having technical issues and such. Then he (Cl*ro) proceeded on telling Yaque that I said that the collab was "crap" even though I didn't get to be on it due to issues and even though I never said anything bad about it. I got mad at him for putting words in my mouth and he just brushed it off. A few more times he kept on putting words in my mouth (just like how some of my friends did to me also) and just brushed it off as a "joke"

Fast forward after few more weeks, his friend asked me, "what would you do if Cl*ro would just ask you out?" and his friend also mentioned that "If ever Cl*ro would do that wag mo nalang patulan". I kept what his friend told me in mind and then eventually the inevitable happened. I dont remember much about how all those happened since I was so tired and all but the next day he just told me in a vc about "us" being a thing and whatsoever. Tho I told him before that I'm not ready to be in a relationship and I'm still taking care of my mental health.

[Note: Some of my friends also reminded Cl*ro that I have a f*cked up mental health and all he said was "I can fix her" etc.]


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Days flew by and the more I'm with him the more I'm getting uncomfy and the more my mental health is going down. I must admit I'm not really a straight forward person and i didn't really know how to end things from him. Then again I took few days off, I decided to avoid everyone and I even deleted my old server and while I was taking care and focusing on my mental health and IRL issues I got a message from his friend. I must also admit that he and his friends just make me feel uncomfortable due to their choice of words and about them saying racial slurs (e.g. saying the "n" word, "r" slur, etc.)

Here are the screenshots of what my conversation was with his friend

[Do note again that I don't want to drag my vtubing career that's why I censored my name]


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After the conversation I had with his friend I didn't recall chatting Cl*ro after that. I continued to deal with my IRL problems and my mental health then I finally had enough and I asked my IRL friends what I could do to end things with him and then they told me to "Maybe change your profile picture into something like a "couple profile picture" then that'll be a sign to him". I'm not a cheater but I found I did just that just so I could end things with him. He then proceeded to dm me about it.

[Quick note for the following screenshots: This wasn't the only time he shouted at me. He also shouted at me when we were in a vc just because "I didn't wanna meet up with him" even tho the actual reason to why I didn't meet up with him was because my parents DID NOT like him and they accidentally read some of the stuff he sent me via dms.]

Major spoiler alert: after I ended things with him he decided to talk shit about me to my friend

There are things that aren't mentioned above because I have a vague memory about it and most of the things he told me was on vc and I have no way to prove about the things I mentioned.

I tried my best to stay silent and just move on but then again, I would never get the peace of mind that I wanted. There are names that were mentioned but I censored it cause I respect those people and their privacy. I also covered up my own name due to my current vtubing career now and I want to keep it away from this account. Please do understand my privacy and concerns. I am getting better day by day after all the emotional and mental stress. Although all these happened few months ago and I know that I should've spoke up about this way back before but I just didn't had the courage to do so and also I tried to act like nothing wrong and just move on about it but I just can't seem to do so. The damage has been done so there's nothing I could do about it. I benefit nothing from this other than having this peace of mind.
Hello guys! This is something that I'd like to discuss, well, you probably already know about it anyway.

Straight to the point, I am not asking for forgiveness. I am fully aware of my faults and yes, looking back at that post gave me such a really, really bad light. The things I've done and said are very predatory, yes, to my eyes back then it was different, and I would also like to bring up something about this:

This was resolved months ago when I was in a private call with her manager and friends of the latter. I offered to disappear from the community and promise to never do it again, so I did. I do not know what will they gain from this if they post it now, but frankly, they could've posted it sooner. I offered a private discussion to stop this, but still, it went through. Maybe it's due to the fact that it was long overdue, but analyzing more it's probably inevitable anyway. I've done what I could by telling them that I will offer to leave the community to change, and that was around May. I am here to clear some things up and give you my own side if you're really willing to hear it from me.
To clear things up, yes, most of it is true, some however have been twisted. I'll tell you one thing, but to say to accuse me of pedophilia is blatantly unreasonable to the sole fact that I and she are the same age, I have no words to defend myself on my messages since yes it is all my fault and I am aware. However, one thing that truly went through far is doxxing.

I do not know why you guys would really stoop so low and spread it on my personal life. I know I've done it badly yet you people still would try and *really* try to ruin my life and my future by spreading it across my personal life, even on servers and my own school personnel. What are you gaining from this when you do so? I know I've done things so badly yet it's not reasonable to even bring up my personal life in an attempt to really topple and don't give me any chances of change. I sincerely hope that most of you will reflect on how it went too far.

Then again, all of this is just long overdue anger and I have offered to resolve it now yet it still came through. I have nothing else to say or defend, but, I am willing to offer that I will change for the better, and some more time to reflect on my actions. I assure you, in the event that it will happen again, I will never forgive myself at all. And will never do. Thank you.

I also have full confidence that you, Yaque, or your accomplices, have full intentions of doxxing me. Is it really a call-out post or an awareness post if you're really also trying to enable someone to dox me as well? And you really not deleting that and want to really, really personally try to bring it into my life? How quaint. I hope you understand, thank you.

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Let me just clarify everything about my side on the issue, since (my name was mentioned in the) screenshots and they took it really really wrong. Please hear me out.

(I did not) pretend (to make a) vlog, I was actually creating content for my channel. I made a vlog about me during the coscarni event. Here is the link to the video for proof.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=353eea8hJbI

Basically the video is all about GFE or girlfriend experience but with a femboy. So Cloro (is already wrong about the) part (where) "me and Janel did a "fake vlog" " which it happened (and I uploaded it to YT).

Yes, I've made a vlog, but it's not about them, nor that I am focusing on them in the very first place. Just watch the video (because all the) proof (that I did not) pretend (to make a) vlog (in front of them) just to shit on them. I am pretty sure (that they did not appear in the) video, (and in case they were seen in the video, bitch you weren't the only people in the convention.)

Another thing is that, (it wasn't my intention and they are not the ones i was focused on at the con). I made lots of clips of myself (which you can see on the video) and compiled them into a single video. (I don't know why that's the first thought that came into CLORO's mind). It's not my issue anymore, it's his POV.

I actually got shocked (when i saw the) screenshot and got mad at him (why he said that).
I don't even know anything about this screenshot up until (it was) leak(ed in) public. (I did not know that that was what he said). Everything he said on the screenshot just proves that IT IS NOT MY INTENTIONS BUT HIS.

For Yaque,

(I respected our) privacy, and you know that. But you chose to leak our DMs in public. What's worse is that you cropped it and you changed the context of what I have said. (Now it just made me look like I'm the bad guy in this issue.)

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For Cloro:

I admit (he's my homie, something along those lines), (but son of a bitch what he did was fucking stupid). (He was eaten by his pride and ego and he underestimated the damage this could do to his career).

(Remember) Cloro, (a lot will be taken from you and your career), (all of your connections with your irl stuff will be implicated). Plus (you are one of the) co-owners (of the) Millie Parfait's fan server. (I am not siding with you, we always told you but you're hard-headed). You just dug your own grave man.

For Yaque:

(In this issue only CLORO should've been involved since it's your relationship). (I) 100% support (your) desisyon and you know that.

(My only assertion in this issue is why my name was dragged into this issue)? (You said it yourself that you don't want me to be implicated). (You cropped the conversation to make it look like I'm a bad guy and an "enabler"). At the end of the day, (it's your relationship and it's your issue).

As I said, (I am) against (the) actions (of) Cloro. But at the same time, (I don't like the part where I was implicated). (Both of you are my friends and I am the only one in CLORO's circle that you can talk to regarding your issue with him), but you took advantage of it and used our dms against me.
(Fuck ya'll bitches, or so he said).

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(Whatever the fuck this trap is saying. Laughing at some irrelevant mumble rapper or something.)
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https://www.facebook.com/pmgloryy/posts/811029546922038 - Mugi Nagachi's Roast

Remarks:
Let's begin with CLORO himself.

CLORO is a young programmer and a dude who wants to become a game dev. Cool stuff. As mentioned in the CIIT Limelight. It is worth noting that CIIT is one of the best colleges in this country. With all the dirty laundry that's been aired out, it is inevitable that he will lose a lot of perks and opportunities from such a prestigious institution.

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Well. Sucks to be that guy I guess.

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I guess CLORO is already a seasoned Discord mod. The GROOMER deleted all the links sent to their school server.

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Oh nyo... And oh by the way. The post is already gone. I don't know why. But I guess they found out. Maybe.

And if you haven't looked closely in that Limelight...
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Of course he's a fucking CHUMBUD. No offense to the prim and proper, law-abiding Chumbuds. But why does your fanbase often have people like these... Yeah yeah I know bigger fanbase = bigger chance of having more schizos and this is not representative of all Chumbuds. Just poking fun. I sincerely offer my sympathies.

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As of writing [July 28]. Lol. Nice damage control.

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Lol what an edgy weeb.

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:story:

It's referencing this:
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It's in Yaque's OP. In the part where she describes how CLORO wants her to touch herself. Jesus Fucking Christ.

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Well. Those are nice and all. I pity you. But you brought this upon yourself.

And speaking of this Lyrica Simp. I suspect it's just some guy who made a burner account to clown on CLORO. I don't know who this is. And I'm not sure of his true intents or motives. And speaking of doxing...

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It's not doxing when the information is pretty much out there in public. Also wow dude aren't you full of shit. You're just mad because your ruse has been made and the jig is up. It's called OSINT you fucking SEAmonkey. That's how everyone was able to scrape up any information about you in the first place. Your online identity and footprint is easily traceable. You linked your accounts to your IRL stuff. Even CIIT knows of your alias CLORO.

A real deal DOX would involve the leak of someone's full address, family connections, banking details, IDs such as passports, driving licenses, and school IDs. You better be grateful that nobody would be willing to go that far.

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Hm... I wonder what's all this about. Couldn't groom grandma? (Lyrica would often be nicknamed Lola or Grandma)

No wonder why he's a got a bad rep among Lyrica's community members. As far as I've heard, he was one of the OGs in the community. Beyond that, I know nothing else. He has his own clique called the Clo Gang. They must've stirred up a lot of trouble back then. Hm... I wonder who that risch is. I don't know who that is.​
Now, let's move on over to Janel. The Trap Lolicon Pontius Pilate.

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:story:

If this was enough to make you seethe and cope maybe those statements hold some weight after all.

Alright. Let's bring up those snippets of the chatlog between Yaque and Janel.​

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Yaque: janel
Janel: yow
please support me if i ever (expose) that guy
i just found out again that he still keeps my pics (in his) stash)
even tho i asked him to delete (those pics) before

wtf..
i'm sorry if i'm requesting too much but
this is too much
(another) girl has been a victim
(she) reached out to me

mhm
his ex (too?)

yea
he did the same

are u going to expose them today?
yea
oh my
i'm so close
janel cut him off
i don't want you to get involved
please

Pic No. 2 on Janel's Handwashing Part 2
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I'll be as neutral as possible on my next following messages here
I am aware (of his) actions towards you, I know it's bad but please don't tell me to cut ties with them. As if it's that easy to do it.
i can't just leave them like that, it only makes me seem more suspicious on their side.
To be honest, the only problem here is just him, but not my entire current circle of friends. We always warned him, (we didn't even lack on giving him advice), he could've just moved on but he didn't listen to us. We told him to shut the fuck up yet he's impulsive and kept posting shit on his Twitter without being cautious (that what he posts there could be used against him).
He might seem bad to you, but he's still been a good friend to me. So if you really want me to stay away from this issue, just let me do my thing. cuz at the end of the day, it's just a problem between him and his exes after all.

bro like i told u, i'm only targeting him and not the whole circle, my bad, telling you to cut off (right away) without thinking (about) ur situation. but it's up to to decide that. (i just) don't want you to be (implicated/condemned), the only problem is him and only him
someone told me that he's even proud that he ruined me? still kept my pics? (what's that a) trophy?
i know (you are) neutral and i have no rights to order you around (but), it's up to you to decide (but i don't think your recommendations/advices aren't effective) ... i guess (he's the only one who will answer for his actions); u don't even know what i felt that time (because you are a friend right)? u have to stay neutral, and it's ok, all i can ask is drift away (for a while), (i don't want you to be implicated/condemned) and that's it. you're my friend too, yknow
and if this ever goes out, or u made him wary about what's happening right now, then i guess i'll be very upset 'cause you didn't give me justice (for) what he did to me
that's all i could say, to be honest (just don't pay it any mind), don't say anything about it, just focus on your comms. it's not worth (to be anxious about).

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>I'll be as neutral as possible...
>I am aware (of his) actions towards you, I know it's bad but please don't tell me to cut ties with them.
>As if it's that easy to do it.
>i can't just leave them like that, it only makes me seem more suspicious on their side.
>We always warned him, (we didn't even lack on giving him advice), he could've just moved on but he didn't listen to us. We told him to shut the fuck up yet he's impulsive and kept posting shit on his Twitter without being cautious (that what he posts there could be used against him).

>He might seem bad to you, but he's still been a good friend to me.
>So if you really want me to stay away from this issue, just let me do my thing.

>cuz at the end of the day, it's just a problem between him and his exes after all.

You magnificent fucking retard.
Are you not concerned about the victims of your dear friend CLORO? Are you literally ignoring whatever plight these people have suffered because of your friend's horrible actions? What are you trying to do? Kiss ass? If you were truly concerned about your dear friend CLORO you would've already prevented this from happening in the first place. If your circle was truly concerned anyways. You are trying to absolve yourself of whatever responsibility you have to your friend CLORO. A real friend would cut CLORO off. A real friend would prevent this from happening in the first. place. A real friend would shun out CLORO, help the victims, and make sure CLORO doesn't repeat the same cycle. I do not know now the situation nor the circumstances of your friendships and CLORO's circle but don't you think what he's done has been... unsavory and disgusting? Because I think you benefit from CLORO's degeneracy.

I am willing to give benefit of the doubt but this doesn't look so good. And you haven't even tried to redeem yourself. Deleting those posts won't make you look any better. It will only draw more suspicion and doubt. I wait for the day when your clique finally implodes on itself.
It is quite unfortunate that it had happened. All this reminds me of the Otohime Saki case I documented, archived, and posted here. I sincerely offer them my sympathies. I hope they will achieve whatever justice you sought for.

With that said however it was highly preventable. I do understand the allure of manipulative tactics that people like CLORO employ. I do not fault them for falling for that. But they should've kept their guard up. they never should've allowed him a quarter. They should've established solid boundaries and pushed back on whatever violations occured. They should've cut him off the moment the signs started showing.

Again I do not fault them. And I hope this helps them in the long run. Manipulative people like CLORO will take advantage of whatever weaknesses they can exploit from their victims. Do not give in to whatever they desire. Oppose anything that would infringe on your privacy and safety. Report to reputable persons. And cut people like CLORO off the moment it is clear that they are unreasonable and irredeemable.​

Parting Words

If you ever plan to accept people into your community, especially if those people want to take managerial roles in the community, please for the love of God, DO BACKGROUND CHECKS. Vtubing has already become mainstream and with it comes all the nitty gritty and horrible tidbits of such reality. It is great that it has reached an already wider audience. It is well known in most places. Even a lay person would be familiar with it. However, because of the proliferation of Vtubing, it has also offered avenues for manipulative, deceptive, and malicious people to prey into. This isn't anything new. We've seen this trend occur so many times already.

If such persons like Manuel Angelo R. Abanilla aka CLORO or Philippe Ivan Parero aka Otohime Saki attempt to infiltrate your communities and cause harm, cut them off as soon as you can. If not, immediately. As long as enough credible evidence is gathered. And I emphasize credible because people love throwing around the word pedo and groomer to the point where it has already lost all meaning. Do not let them take root.

If such persons have already infiltrated communities and has already caused harm, document the incidents, archive them, and disseminate them across the internet. Use archival tools to your advantage. DO NOT LET THEM GET AWAY WITH DELETING THEIR POSTS. And if they truly are remorseful, they would sincerely apologize and change for the better. And just so you know, this isn't just applicable in VTubing but in real life in general.

I can't believe I spent 18 hours on all of this. And I sure do hope all of this autism wasn't for nothing.​
 

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Regardless of what you think of the yab, we all know vshojo won't do anything to her as per her previous incidents (calling Hololive a black company, calling out Shylily, etc).

TALENT FREEDOM! God, that was so obnoxious going about when kson joined them. Personally she should have stayed indie or set up her own small managed group under her own brand but what's done is done, whether she'll regret it is another story. She didn't think her own room mate would leave her over it when deciding to join, right?

By the way, it's interesting though that kson went all in with the vshojo style of streaming whilst Nazuna is just herself with a different model and a (delayed) translation setup so whatever she says gets put in English. Usually kson's translator does it but it was another mod earlier today, not surprising they'd get more people, I think they put a form up recently for translators.

Twitch have whacked Sodapoppin in the past for stuff like this, so either it'll go away quietly or he gets another holiday for a few days. Just what is it with streamers and accidentally showing Discord? Are there any modern voice chat alternatives out there?
 
people are saying Gura and others added idol to their bio because of either vt sperging or to signal they dont intend to collab with stars
but I think it's actually because of twitter sperging and bitching about idol culture at them recently
obviously it has its problems but twitter doesnt do nuance and shitting all over the aspects they like would probably piss them off, especially right as they were super excited for HoloFES and other concerts recently

twitter is probably to blame for 97% of the problems in the world anyway

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Gura is the only member of Myth who doesn't follow the members of Tempus on Twitter (all the other girls follow all the guys). She does seem to be actively ignoring them. Makes you wonder what she's thinking, or who she thinks she's trying to placate.


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Regardless of what you think of the yab, we all know vshojo won't do anything to her as per her previous incidents (calling Hololive a black company, calling out Shylily, etc).

TALENT FREEDOM! God, that was so obnoxious going about when kson joined them. Personally she should have stayed indie or set up her own small managed group under her own brand but what's done is done, whether she'll regret it is another story. She didn't think her own room mate would leave her over it when deciding to join, right?

By the way, it's interesting though that kson went all in with the vshojo style of streaming whilst Nazuna is just herself with a different model and a (delayed) translation setup so whatever she says gets put in English. Usually kson's translator does it but it was another mod earlier today, not surprising they'd get more people, I think they put a form up recently for translators.

Twitch have whacked Sodapoppin in the past for stuff like this, so either it'll go away quietly or he gets another holiday for a few days. Just what is it with streamers and accidentally showing Discord? Are there any modern voice chat alternatives out there?
Slack, Mattermost, Rocket.Chat, Teams, and Riot.Im (now Element I guess) all come to mind but they all require some amount of technical ability or money while Discord requires neither. Steam's chat has come leaps and bounds from where it was years ago as well.

Noel stuff is sad but funny, hope she knows what she's doing before she finds out "we don't care about our talent's personal lives" is PR bullshit. I don't watch her, aside from the clips occasionally posted here, but I do like her model so it would be a shame to see her go too far and get yeeted. If it's cause she's so desperate to get plowed surely she can just go outside and find a dude with "You want fuck baby?" I know Japan is known for the "herbivores" but surely they have some men with testosterone left? If not, give us a sign Noel and we can pool some money for @Todd's Mistake to get that plane ticket.

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Edit: And ID 2nd Gen is getting new costumes.
 
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Makes you wonder what she's thinking, or who she thinks she's trying to placate
A notification of Jay popped up during her stream made people go nuts and the guy had to private his twitter until now. Since then she tends to avoid all kinds of potential yab or conflicts and generally doesn't interact with anyone else outside of hololive. Even Ame, who is known for being straightforward, still got attacked by a number of schizos on her VOD when she tardwrangled her chat about interacting with Tempus, so it's better this way I guess.
 
From the reaction here the yab was the "babe" line? I thought it was common sense that he's her bf. The slightly racist joke at the end is the yab that could cause some twitter meltdown if you ask me.
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I got no racist Ina posts (don't think they exist) but an update on her office situation
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Gura is the only member of Myth who doesn't follow the members of Tempus on Twitter (all the other girls follow all the guys). She does seem to be actively ignoring them. Makes you wonder what she's thinking, or who she thinks she's trying to placate.
Ah nice, Kiara recently followed them, I know she initially retweeted the Tempus announcement. Leaves Kronii as the other one left and Kronii at least talked about the boys at the end of her chatting stream(2:30 timestamp) guiding her audience to check out their debut.

Edit: Ah forgot about Irys too, whoops. Uh she was in the Amongus Collab and cheered when Ollie talked about the boys at the end.
 
A notification of Jay popped up during her stream made people go nuts and the guy had to private his twitter until now. She avoids all kinds of potential yab or conflicts and generally doesn't interact with anyone else outside of hololive. Ame is known for being straightforward and she still got attacked by a number of schizos when she tardwrangled her chat about interacting with Tempus, so it's better this way I guess.

In this particular case, Gura stands out more by not following them. She could have followed them and simply not interacted with them, and no one would think anything of it.

Then again, this is Gura we're talking about here. People will likely dogpile her, regardless of what she does. Twitter is similar to Discord in that regard; it's a petri dish of scum that becomes infested with ingrates, no matter the subject. Better to cleanse it all with atomic fire.

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A-chan live talking about Holo Summer and other random happenings from the past month. No swimsuits for A-chan or Nodoka for at least 100 years, according to her.
From A-chan's quotes of the month. I don't know Japanese but this apparently got nominated because DeepL made Kaela sound much more rude than she intended. Comparing this to last month's hits, I think the previous translator got bonked lol.
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A notification of Jay popped up during her stream made people go nuts and the guy had to private his twitter until now. Since then she tends to avoid all kinds of potential yab or conflicts and generally doesn't interact with anyone else outside of hololive. Even Ame, who is known for being straightforward, still got attacked by a number of schizos on her VOD when she tardwrangled her chat about interacting with Tempus, so it's better this way I guess.
The Ame thing really wasn't that simple or straight forward. She said something retarded, was called out for it by long-time teamates and later nuked their posts critiquing her behavior. That's not a good way to deal with a situation like this, regardless of whether you think the fans are dumb or not. All they did was ask whether she was planning on collabing with them or not. Ame did the rest. As for Gura, I think it's clear something else is going on considering her latest RP stream and her recent streak of parasocial membership posts. There's a slight shift in her entire character, and inserting "idol" into her bio and refusing to acknowledge the existence of the homos is an indication of where she (or Cover) wants her to go.
 
A notification of Jay popped up during her stream made people go nuts and the guy had to private his twitter until now. Since then she tends to avoid all kinds of potential yab or conflicts and generally doesn't interact with anyone else outside of hololive. Even Ame, who is known for being straightforward, still got attacked by a number of schizos on her VOD when she tardwrangled her chat about interacting with Tempus, so it's better this way I guess.

In this particular case, Gura stands out more by not following them. She could have followed them and simply not interacted with them, and no one would think anything of it.

Then again, this is Gura we're talking about here. People will likely dogpile her, regardless of what she does. Twitter is similar to Discord in that regard; it's a petri dish of scum that becomes infested with ingrates, no matter the subject. Better to cleanse it all with atomic fire.

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The Ame thing really wasn't that simple or straight forward. She said something retarded, was called out for it by long-time teamates and later nuked their posts critiquing her behavior. That's not a good way to deal with a situation like this, regardless of whether you think the fans are dumb or not. All they did was ask whether she was planning on collabing with them or not. Ame did the rest. As for Gura, I think it's clear something else is going on considering her latest RP stream and her recent streak of parasocial membership posts. There's a slight shift in her entire character, and inserting "idol" into her bio and refusing to acknowledge the existence of the homos is an indication of where she (or Cover) wants her to go.
Goombus has also kept Twitter as a purely "Absolutely minimal use, as professional as possible" tool. Thinking like the fucking flair from Office space. "You require me to Tweet about my schedule, my streams, and retweet/like the occasional fanart. I will do no more". It could just be shork brain not thinking to follow them.
 
Gura is the only member of Myth who doesn't follow the members of Tempus on Twitter (all the other girls follow all the guys). She does seem to be actively ignoring them. Makes you wonder what she's thinking, or who she thinks she's trying to placate.
It's definitely noticeable. It's not like she has to talk to them if she's uncomfortable with that or the reaction of her fans may have. Kiara and Ina both follow them but neither of them have interacted with them. At least publicly.
 
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Gura is the only member of Myth who doesn't follow the members of Tempus on Twitter (all the other girls follow all the guys). She does seem to be actively ignoring them. Makes you wonder what she's thinking, or who she thinks she's trying to placate.


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I don't think Gura even knows the password to her Twitter at this point. I would not be surprised if she had her manager control it completely and just asked her to post shit.
 
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