Incel and Lonely Men Debate thread - Defend men giving up or tell them otherwise

Ser Prize said:
Just got a stark reminder of why online spaces hamper interaction: women seem to block people on a fucking whim.
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Interesting article I read today about the effect of allowing women in public discourse.

https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/womens-tears-win-in-the-marketplace

Not really a consequence of online spaces, or at least, not of the block button. It's not like that woman was going to engage with you if she didn't have a block button. At best, she'd just ignore you. At worst, she'd cry and scream at you. But you weren't going to get a reasoned interaction out of someone who uses the block button.
 
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gang weeder said:
Interesting article I read today about the effect of allowing women in public discourse.

https://richardhanania.substack.com/p/womens-tears-win-in-the-marketplace

Not really a consequence of online spaces, or at least, not of the block button. It's not like that woman was going to engage with you if she didn't have a block button. At best, she'd just ignore you. At worst, she'd cry and scream at you. But you weren't going to get a reasoned interaction out of someone who uses the block button.
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Then I truly have no idea how men met women in the past. Every woman I've ever known has been a quickdraw on the block button.
 
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Ser Prize said:
Then I truly have no idea how men met women in the past. Every woman I've ever known has been a quickdraw on the block button.
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Are you trying to argue about politics with every woman you meet or something?

Tacitus Kilgore said:
The thing is men shouldn't act like those women. Men don't do that. We insult and laugh at those women. We don't act like them. If you are a man and you engage in that type of behavior all you are doing is making other men look as bad as you.
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This is true but it's also a predictable consequence of feminism and the demonization of men. Of course it leads to men trying to be women. The sexes are supposed to be equal, after all, and we have been told in no uncertain terms that masculinity is toxic. Ergo, if the sexes are truly to be equal, men must act like women.

Tacitus Kilgore said:
This is the truth about incels. Most of them are just socially retarded loser types. They might have other problems as well like poor hygiene strange behavior and so on. The point is their sexless life is all their fault. But they like to blame other things like feminism Jews and women. These loser weirdos started showing up around the time the alt-right was dying. I don't remember seeing incels in 2015 2016 or 2017. I started seeing the incel shit in 2018.

There is no such thing as an incel. If you aren't getting laid it's your fault. It's not women's fault or anything else. It all on you. If you won't do any self-improvement to help you attract the opposite sex that is your fault. No, I do not mean spending time in a gym like some kind of faggot. That most likely won't help you. The internet is full of guys who did that shit and never got attention from women. Work on your hygiene, social skills and so on. Hygiene and social skills will do more than working out. Brush your teeth wash your ass shave and learn how to talk to women.
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This is both true and it isn't. Incels are actually pretty common in human societies, or at least not uncommon:

https://www.smithsonianmag.com/smart-news/through-history-more-women-have-reproduced-men-180952840/

The reasons for this are well known and incels are largely correct about them i.e. women are hypergamous, and it's easy for one high status man to occupy multiple women while the opposite is basically unheard of. Modern dating culture facilitates this by giving women infinite options and teaching them to de-value family/having kids, so many of them feel little incentive to settle before hitting the wall, and some won't settle even then and will turn into cat ladies or whatever. Feminism has undeniably made dating much more difficult for the average man.

The part where incels are wrong, and you are more correct, is that status is largely about perception, so most men can cultivate it if they try, and aren't retards. But feminism has also taught men to act helpless and whine instead of doing anything (i.e. to act like women), so you end up with incels, and all those guys talking about self-improvement and bettering yourself and etc. get a lot of suspicious looks and labels thrown at them (see: Jordan Peterson the archpriest of "wash ur balls bucko" being labeled a Nazi and an unperson for the great crime of telling men not to be weak faggots).

Duke Nukem said:
Will religion cure incel? Or do they just become Christcels or something?

The sooner they accept that women will never want them the better off they'll be. Sure I'm gonna get called a blackpiller or something but some guys just won't ever make the cut. No matter what they do.
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It won't fully "cure" it but it would probably improve the situation. In the past men going celibate in order to be priests or monks was a fully legitimate life path. It gave a way for the man to go without sex and not lose social status, and to still have purpose in life despite not reproducing. Religion offers community so that even if someone can't get laid they won't despair in loneliness. And conservative sexual norms mean that they will not be seen as lesser for not having casual sex, won't have to listen to sluts telling stories about who they banged on Tinder or other men bragging about the same, etc.

Land of Noz said:
His problem? In his opinion it's because he's a short dude. Women see him, and instantly swipe left or if in real life, disregard him. He's always been short, and this didn't happen to him in college. There were always parties and get togethers, and even though he's a short dude, he legit has a great personality, can make people laugh, knows how to flirt, etc. It's just that, in his words, since graduating college, he doesn't really go to parties anymore or socialize that much. I always try to invite him out, but he lived in the suburbs after college (where he was able to buy a house with his great income) and just didn't go out as much I guess. Idk, dating has been hard as hell for me too, but I've managed somehow. I present this as a case study, of a younger guy (he's 30 now) who was not an incel, but has basically become an incel, despite growing in every other aspect of life. If he has trouble with dating, I can only imagine just how much worse it is for guys like him who don't have good jobs, and who don't have good social skills.
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He needs to seek conservative/religious women. If the women he is around are liberal he's gonna have a hard time yes. But if he is pulling 100k and has the characteristics you describe, a woman looking to start a family will scoop him up, if they are exposed to each other.

Also though, I want to point out that years long gaps without sex is actually not uncommon for men at all, even if they aren't fat or ugly or anything. This weird expectation that if you aren't getting laid from a one night stand every month then there's something wrong with you is a silly fantasy created by all these liberal dating norms.
 
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@gang weeder I don't talk politics with women generally. I try to get a rapport going and get to know them but usually end up blocked sooner or later, even if I thought things were going alright.
 
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Ser Prize said:
@gang weeder I don't talk politics with women generally. I try to get a rapport going and get to know them but usually end up blocked sooner or later, even if I thought things were going alright.
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You sound like you're referring to dating apps. Meet women in real life. Don't bother chatting online for more than some token interactions. Of course they will get bored and block you.
 
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>He needs to seek conservative/religious women. If the women he is around are liberal he's gonna have a hard time yes. But if he is pulling 100k and has the characteristics you describe, a woman looking to start a family will scoop him up, if they are exposed to each other.
Conservative/religious women hate short guys just as much as liberal women, if not moreso. If a woman wants to start a family and be a housewife or whatever, she's probably going to try to look for a man with the best genetics possible. Both in terms of intelligence/IQ, and physical appearance
 
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gang weeder said:
He needs to seek conservative/religious women. If the women he is around are liberal he's gonna have a hard time yes. But if he is pulling 100k and has the characteristics you describe, a woman looking to start a family will scoop him up, if they are exposed to each other.

Also though, I want to point out that years long gaps without sex is actually not uncommon for men at all, even if they aren't fat or ugly or anything. This weird expectation that if you aren't getting laid from a one night stand every month then there's something wrong with you is a silly fantasy created by all these liberal dating norms.
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Easier said than done. Where do you even find such women? We're both 30...I would be willing to bet most conservative women our age were married off years ago. He's on tinder and all the dating apps. "Conservative" women use those apps as well. Point being for a lot of guys out there it's a crapshoot. It's not realistic to expect these guys to pick a church and go for years in the hopes of meeting some chick in the pews. Anyway, not trying to dis your advice but I just know from experience it's relatively unrealistic. For what it's worth, I do think that part of the problem is geographical. We're in a mid-sized city in the midwest (about 500k - 2 mil metro area). I notice that when I travel to other places like Colorado or Chicago or places out west, I tend to do much better with women, both online and in real life. There are just some parts of the country where simping is so extreme that women won't give most men the time of day unless they fit a very narrow mold
 
Land of Noz said:
Easier said than done. Where do you even find such women? We're both 30...I would be willing to bet most conservative women our age were married off years ago. He's on tinder and all the dating apps. "Conservative" women use those apps as well. Point being for a lot of guys out there it's a crapshoot. It's not realistic to expect these guys to pick a church and go for years in the hopes of meeting some chick in the pews. Anyway, not trying to dis your advice but I just know from experience it's relatively unrealistic. For what it's worth, I do think that part of the problem is geographical. We're in a mid-sized city in the midwest (about 500k - 2 mil metro area). I notice that when I travel to other places like Colorado or Chicago or places out west, I tend to do much better with women, both online and in real life. There are just some parts of the country where simping is so extreme that women won't give most men the time of day unless they fit a very narrow mold
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Well then, move, I guess. Or accept being single forever. According to you, those are the choices.
 
Herod said:
Incels should be shot on sight. They contribute nothing to society and are usually dangers to others.
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Tomboy Respecter said:
Why would I refute the hysterical ramblings of a menstrating lunatic who doesn't take her meds? It's already out of touch with reality just on the basis of a woman saying this shit.
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Nice assumptions there, incel asshat. None of what I said was "hysterical rambling." It's simply the truth. You don't see single women regularly shooting up schools. Only incel losers.
 
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