Grand Jury speculation thread

[Thorgrim Grudgebearer]

>incest w/ own child
lmao wat

On a side note wouldn't Barb be charged with that as well?
Why were there no charges on Barb? (Likely that they didn't want to put more pressure on her I guess?)
Or is she the victim of the case

 

[ScaliasGhost]

>incest w/ own child
lmao wat

That's how the crime is commonly described, it's just shorthand because 99% of the time it's the parent being charged for fucking their kid, not the kid (here manchild) for fucking the parent.

 

[Phalanges Mycologist]

That high horse is now a winged unicorn flying over a rainbow in la-la land.

I hate myself for knowing this but that would be a Pegasis in Brony lingo.

What if it turns out CWC did something more horrible than we know, surprising - yet not surprising - observers of the Life of Fail?

Wouldnt shock me, while I don't think Chris is a nonce the nature of this crime would likely mean they took his laptop for investigation and found some stuff on there that is illegal or border line, I wouldnt put it past a ween to send Chris a picture of someone under age an him saving it because he thought they where older than they where.

He's spent a year in jail and the loony bin. Unless you think something short of the chair is a slap on the wrist, he's already had more than that.

To normal people yes, but Chris just piles on the cope and retreats deeper into his dilusions. To get through to him you have to be harder than you normally would with anyone else or he will find some way of writing it off.

I’m amazed he’s still issued credit cards as is. It feels like they’ve all sued him for debt collection at this point.

The credit system is preditory, Chris is there ideal customer the guy always payng the minimums is worth more than the guy who wipes out his debt at the end of the month.

You know I'm starting to think that Chris knows he's screwed.

He knows there's no Barb and no Temple left for him; that's part of the reason why he's not accepting the plea deal, because if he's going out he's going out his way.

That, or he's achieved the inner nirvana of a cult leader.

But I genuinely think at this point he's truly aware there's no 14BC left for him, even if he really does believe in his delusions.

Honestly I think he realised this a while ago when he drew that picture the Praetors are selling with him the house being moved to his pony dimension and the sonichus fixing it up, he knows he's not going home soon and that every time he's claimed to be doing so is pure wish fulfilment.

 

[R-2E-054]

It looks like there are at least three Barbara Chandlers. I doubt our Barb was distributing cocaine in 2008, and the third one is black.

Yeah I figured some of them weren't her, but I didn't know about the identity theft and forgery.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

On a side note wouldn't Barb be charged with that as well?

I guess she isn't getting charged because Barb is a victim, too old, or both.

 

[My Name is Mud]

>incest w/ own child
lmao wat

Yeah I'm guessing that's just the closest thing they got on their system. I imagine a lot of degenerate old pervs rape their kids, but rarely does a kid rape its own parent.
Either that or Chris has not only given birth to Crystal, but he also kept her a secret so he could diddle her.

 

[Smleman303]

Didn't kengle say the clerk told him of multiple felonies? I guess we won't know until after the hearing.

 

[True Gunt Radio]

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What do the PLEADINGS/ORDERS stuff tell us?

Does this mean they're only upgrading the incest charge or can there be more new felonies they'll want the grand jury to indict him on?

 

[Yksi_Toveri]

"Evaluation Report" from ILPPP is the VA psychological forensics department.

 

[palmtreesalad]

I could be wrong but wouldn't Barb have to consent to a rape kit? I would be surprised if they found DNA if they even did do one to be honest but this roller coaster is full of surprises.

I'm not sure about Barb's situation, but if she is unfit to care for herself a family member or social worker may have consented to it. Unfortunately, they'll only find DNA if Chris recently assaulted Barb. DNA is easily destroyed not only over time but with soap/water. They not only look for semen but also hairs or skin cells. They sometimes swab the suspected perpetrator's genitals as well. That's called a penile swab

 

[Thorgrim Grudgebearer]

They should've designed the software to allow for typing in a charge instead of selecting one from a menu.

Idk I see why they wouldn't think about putting a "Other" section in the charge, the felonies are very well defined and the charges already exist in law

 

[HarryHowler]

Yeah I figured some of them weren't her, but I didn't know about the identity theft and forgery.

Judging by the presiding courts involved in the cases, it looks like the only ones that involved the TRUE and HONEST Barbie-Chan were the Snyder incident, and her fender-bender late last year.

I think Barb does have a long list of court appearances, but of the civil court variety, mostly involving people she owes money to.

 

[Wolpertinger]

A


THANKS GUISE FOR DIRECTING THE DISCUSSION ON TO BARBS DECREPIT PUSSY! That’s what we’ve all been waiting for.

Given how autistic Chris is with condoms, they’d be unlikely to find anything.

And even if they did, the defense could try to make the dementia angle work for them. Put an expert witness on to talk about dementia and hypersexuality.

“In her confused mental state, Mrs Chandler thought the defendant was her deceased husband. Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, we’ve heard the expert witness testify to the unhealthily close and boundary less relationship my severely autistic client had with his mother. What they did was wrong and deplorable. But there was no rape here. Merely two mentally unwell people who never received the kind of support they should have had.”

TLDR: It’s a shit case. We’re not talking about a nigger breaking in at night and raping Barb at gunpoint. All the defense needs to do is throw enough dust in the air to get one jurymember off “beyond reasonable doubt.”

They can also use a gyno inspection to see if she has been sexually active or check for any bruising. Bruising on the hips or inner thighs are common things they look at in rape cases. But even if they go the route you're claiming, if they can prove that Chris was in sound mind, it doesn't matter if Barb had dementia and thought Chris was her husband. It would still be rape.

They *may* try to argue that Barb groomed Chris, given the way that she used to force him to sleep with her, flirt with him, and even made a comment that she would sleep with him instead of him hiring a sex worker at one point.

 

[Thorgrim Grudgebearer]

"Evaluation Report" from ILPPP is the VA psychological forensics department.

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What do the PLEADINGS/ORDERS stuff tell us?

So he had 2 evaluations from 2 psychiatric institutions (Western State is also a psychiatric hospital)?
Is it likely that Heilberg tried to get him to be labeled as unfit or too retarded for trial? Or would that be at Chris's own request?

 

[ScaliasGhost]

On a side note wouldn't Barb be charged with that as well?
Why were there no charges on Barb? (Likely that they didn't want to put more pressure on her I guess?)
Or is she the victim of the case

She could be charged if it was consensual. Prosecutors don't have to charge anyone for anything though, it's all discretion. They probably thought Chris was more culpable than Barb and only filed against him.

The other common time this occurs is statutory rape cases where two minors who cannot "legally" consent have "factually" consenting sex together. Prosecutors will only charge one party (usually it is brought to state attention by parents who find out about it) and use the other as a witness. The ethical morality of charging like that is dubious IMO but it happens and is legally allowed.

 

[NuancedTardWrangler]

That's how the crime is commonly described, it's just shorthand because 99% of the time it's the parent being charged for fucking their kid, not the kid (here manchild) for fucking the parent.

Charges for barb will come depending on Chris’ trial. If it’s revealed with substantial evidence that she was complicit then she’ll get charges but they won’t be as severe.

 

[Hopkinsville Goblin]

I hate myself for knowing this but that would be a Pegasis in Brony lingo.

In Greek mythology, Pegasus was a divine horse with wings. He didn't have a horn. In MLP winged unicorns are called alicorns.

Historically alicorn is the substance a unicorn's horn is made of. Sometimes people would sell unicorn horns but they were generally narwhal tusks.

 

[Friend of Dorothy Parker]

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What do the PLEADINGS/ORDERS stuff tell us?

That they think (someone is arguing) he's fucking crazy and plan to try to sort that out.

The GJ may just be/largely be a procedural tool to keep things moving as needed from a legal/justice perspective, as there's clearly a strong focus on his competence and/or whether he was legally insane at the time of the offense. Yes, those are two different concepts and standards, but there's clearly a lot going on behind the scenes relating Chris's mental state. And fwiw, Richard Bonnie, who is a professor at The University of Virginia School of Law and the Director of ILPPP, is one of THE leading lights (and has been for decades) in the universe of mental competency of criminal defendants (also on drug abuse and criminality, but that's less relevant here).

This isn't being handled like a run-of-the-mill situation (even a run-of-the-mill incest situation, if such a thing exists). Chris remains exceptional.

 

[Yksi_Toveri]

Charges for barb will come depending on Chris’ trial. If it’s revealed with substantial evidence that she was complicit then she’ll get charges but they won’t be as severe.

It's not going to trial. They will indict on a Class 5 Felony "wobbler" and Chris will be given a plea deal on it.

 

[Tennis-Ball-Tony]

Is it likely that Heilberg tried to get him to be labeled as unfit or too retarded for trial?

I'm guessing this. Obviously "it was all just big talk" didn't fly, so the only hail Mary Heilberg has left is to try to prove Chris is bonkers, but yet again, he came back sane.

Charges for barb will come depending on Chris’ trial. If it’s revealed with substantial evidence that she was complicit then she’ll get charges but they won’t be as severe.

I doubt it. I'm really thinking she isn't her in right mind any longer. She did even give statements during the evaluations most likely, and everything else, spooning, the sarcastic "well I'd fuck you", those are things that Chris said and really can't be proved.