Grand Jury speculation thread

[My Name is Mud]

I wonder if it's possible that by the end of this, Chris is going to be stripped of the Autism diagnosis after all this time and be slapped with something worse sounding.

Low-functioning autism, assburgers, and a little bit of aids.

 

[Gentleman Destroyer]

I wonder if it's possible that by the end of this, Chris is going to be stripped of the Autism diagnosis after all this time and be slapped with something worse sounding. I certainly would be interested to see what would come out of sticking him in a CatSCAN machine and looking at his brain activity as compared to somebody with high functioning autism that didn't turn into, well, Chris.

Nothing but cobwebs up there, friend.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

I don't think they would go with "Chris made it all up" after they already have tested that Chris is mentally fit for the courts in the first place. To go that route would imply that Chris *isn't* mentally sound which they've already ruled out. If it's going this far, they already have some sort of evidence that Chris can be brought up on a felony. They don't just hand those out based on word of mouth.

I'd say the fact Chris bought that book about having sex with old people is pretty damning evidence in of itself.

Again, both these things are not evidence of a crime, just evidence of Chris' guilt to a hypothetical crime. You need both. Saying he fucked Barb is not a crime, owning a granny-raping book is not a crime.

How good a deal Chris gets from pleading guilty depends heavily on how good the evidence is. Unfortunately we will never find out what that evidence was if there's a plea bargain, unless Chris spills the beans (if he even remembers accurately, which is doubtful).

And all of Chris' confessions work just fine as evidence of guilt, you don't need the granny-raping book.

In the unlikely event that it goes to trial, someone can go observe and get the info dump of (admissible) evidence. (In sex crime trials, the hearing where evidence is determined to be admissible is closed).

and a helpless sperg second.

Shit, that sounds awfully close to me.

Where I live if an attorney wants to withdraw, they file a "Motion to Withdraw as Counsel," they don't send a letter. Maybe in VA they do it differently, but idk what the letter could contain.

One possiblity is that the "Letter" from David Heilberg might be a third-party letter regarding Chris that Heilberg brought to the Court's attention himself. So in the system it would be a "Letter" "from David Heilberg" but the contents of the document are from a third-party.

Very good point. This seems very likely.

 

[Elbow Greased Strength]

I'm pretty sure that isn't going to help Chris, since just looking at the guy you can tell something's off about him, which will only be made worse for Chris the longer the theoretical trial goes because no doubt he's going to think the prosecutor is going to get something wrong (gender, what Sonichu is, etc.) and interrupt proceedings to 'correct' them. Instant contempt of court. And that'll probably happen within the first five minutes.

I think that's a big part of the strategy- the grand jury won't see Chris in the dock or anything like that, only review the evidence presented by the state. Someone who isn't following Chris already probably won't have any idea of what he looks like based on the evidence.

I don't have enough knowledge of the process to comment on whether or not Chris' attorney could have any influence in empaneling a grand jury as opposed to a trial jury but if they can do so I'm sure getting rid of anyone who knows about CWC will be #1 priority.

Also interesting to note the trial is under "Christine Chandler" and not his full legal name like prior cases...I tried searching for it using just "Weston Chandler" and it doesn't come up.

I wonder if it's possible that by the end of this, Chris is going to be stripped of the Autism diagnosis after all this time and be slapped with something worse sounding. I certainly would be interested to see what would come out of sticking him in a CatSCAN machine and looking at his brain activity as compared to somebody with high functioning autism that didn't turn into, well, Chris.

It's a good question...there's no guarantee the original psychiatrists got the diagnosis right to begin with given how much knowledge of the condition has advanced since the mid-80s

However I don't know if we will ever be able to see any of the documentation, I'm not sure what the laws are around getting copies of mental health evaluations and presentence investigation reports in a criminal trial.

 

[Thorgrim Grudgebearer]

Unfortunately we will never find out what that evidence was if there's a plea bargain, unless Chris spills the beans (if he even remembers accurately, which is doubtful).

Fuck
Don't they need evidence even in a guilty plea?

They probably found a way to link him to a bunch of felonies like wire fraud or whatever I bet, just to make him take the deal if there is one

 

[Haint]

One of my favorite Barb stories was how she got charged with swearing in public in Virginia when Chris was a kid. It's an uncommon law that's rarely enforced, so in order to get actually charged, you have to put effort into it. But she did.

I don't think anyone can really picture what a cunt she was. It's only lucky Bob was who he was, and so old, and would acquiesce or otherwise just try to ignore her chimp outs.

If someone told me they went to court for utterance of curse words I wouldn't believe them. But I too have been charged for swearing in public, while living in Texas. Barb is a dime a dozen redneck retard whore. You can lead a whore to culture but you can't make the bitch learn a damn thing. Bob, was guided by an sense of honor towards women that was, and still is instilled in Southern men. Some one of his age, undoubtedly so. The dumb cunt trapped him. So she did.

 

[Fapcop]

I don't think they would go with "Chris made it all up" after they already have tested that Chris is mentally fit for the courts in the first place.

Why? The two have nothing to do with each other.

The bar for not being mentally fit for court is so incredibly low, that if you have a pulse you’re basically standing trial.

(It was more of a formality/closing appeal options than anything else.)

There is absolutely no reason why Chris can’t be mentally fit for court AND at the same time also constantly make up crazy stories for attention and being too dumb to realize that one of them could get him in legal trouble.

Trust me, there are plenty of tards way dumber/crazier than him who are found mentally fit for court.

To go that route would imply that Chris *isn't* mentally sound which they've already ruled out.

Just to clear up a point of misunderstanding. You can be mentally ill, even having a full blown psychosis, and still be found mentally fit for trial.

So no, going the route of Chris NOT being mentally sound (which really, would be kinda hard to keep away from the jury, lol!) isn’t a dealbreaker.

If it's going this far, they already have some sort of evidence that Chris can be brought up on a felony. They don't just hand those out based on word of mouth.

Not really. Grand juries tend to go along with whatever the prosecution says.

“Evidence” doesn’t necessarily mean “good evidence” or “evidence strong enough for conviction”.

And of course there’s a good possibility that the grand jury is more of a formality and part of a plea bargain. IF there was a deal made where Chris pleads guilty to something and gets time served plus probation, he can’t plead on a misdemeanor. He needs to go into big boy court that handles felonies. And that means taking it before a grand jury first.

think we should also keep in mind that in VA, being trans will possibly outweigh Chris' autism as well.

That’s again something for his defense to manage. If Chris shows up wearing a dress and screaming about pronouns? No, it won’t be good.

If he shows up in a polo and Khakis and gets explain why he calls himself Christine and yada yada “The one time I tried to grow a labia blah blah bineural
Beats and muh breasts!” Then it just kinda cements Chris as a deeply eccentric weirdo who might do shit like lie about wincest.

 

[Tom Myers]

The grand jury is going to send him up the creek just like it deserves.

 

[A Grey Cat]

My hope: evidence is found to add all felony charges against chris.
My experience with chris however says that he'll ONCE AGAIN waddle away from court with just a slap on the wrist.

A suspended sentence with felony charges, SOR and probation all with the potential to go back to prison if he fucks up even one term of his release. Isn't exactly waddling away with a slap on the wrist.

 

[Fapcop]

After all this time, why are people still acting l Anything the Defense tries to bring up about Chris being a tard baby who's too innocent for the world will be immediately slapped down by any DA/Prosecutor who even thinks about Googling Chris.

Lol, no.
Unless the defense specifically opens the door by being retarded, the prosecutor can’t just bring up old stuff and go: “Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, did you know that THIS MAN once lightly bumped against a toy store owners leg?!?”

I'm also not including his three previous big court cases where he simply lucked out because the people involved went easy on him, those are still public knowledge, no matter how hard Chris tries to act like they didn't happen or he was cleared of all his wrong doings.

Aaaand they also won’t be brought up in the trial.

Courts are very sensitive against not prejudicing juries, by bringing up old, unrelated convictions.

Again folks, sorry! This won’t be like the finale of Seinfeld. You won’t have Michael Snyder, the GameStop Guy, Megan Schroeder and Null take the stand to tell the jury about that one time when Chris…. There won’t be character witnesses talking about the love quest or how Chris kissed them on the cheek without permission.

It’ll be a regular trial, and if you think that Chris is going to be sent to jail for a decade, I’ll be looking forward to your cries of anguish and HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

As it should be, in my opinion. Quite a few of the dudes nabbed on TCAP and related investigations had low IQ or mental illness but it didn't make them not dangerous. They just went after someone in their ballpark as far as vulnerability and naivete. Being retarded doesn't mean you aren't dangerous, just that your pool of victims is smaller and more specialized.

Chris shit his pants out of stress facing a job application.

There could be an unconscious, naked smoking hot 16 year old outside his house, and Chris would stress sigh and do fuck all, because putting his paws on her would mean having to go through the trouble of leaving the house.

The only reason we’re even here, is because an opportunity for incest happened to plop into his lap, in the form of his degenerate mother. Something that isn’t likely to repeat itself.

Just what exactly is that “pool of victims” you’re referring to? A plate of sliders at Denny’s?!

 

[Smleman303]

You make that almost sound

Lol, no.
Unless the defense specifically opens the door by being retarded, the prosecutor can’t just bring up old stuff and go: “Ladies and gentlemen of the jury, did you know that THIS MAN once lightly bumped against a toy store owners leg?!?”

Aaaand they also won’t be brought up in the trial.

Courts are very sensitive against not prejudicing juries, by bringing up old, unrelated convictions.

Again folks, sorry! This won’t be like the finale of Seinfeld. You won’t have Michael Snyder, the GameStop Guy, Megan Schroeder and Null take the stand to tell the jury about that one time when Chris…. There won’t be character witnesses talking about the love quest or how Chris kissed them on the cheek without permission.

It’ll be a regular trial, and if you think that Chris is going to be sent to jail for a decade, I’ll be looking forward to your cries of anguish and HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

I'm not going to lie, Chris Chan couch surfing is a more interesting ending than him as you stated sat in prison forever, eating commissary food, doodling for cash, watching films on his prison tablet and meeting a boyfriend free boy.

I'm almost rooting for the retarded Terry A Davis ending.

 

[RodgerDodger]

This is the interesting partView attachment 3542766

For Appt of a Lawyer? Is that just a pro forma thing moving courts? Or is Heilberg done and they need a new one?

 

[Elbow Greased Strength]

Again folks, sorry! This won’t be like the finale of Seinfeld. You won’t have Michael Snyder, the GameStop Guy, Megan Schroeder and Null take the stand to tell the jury about that one time when Chris…. There won’t be character witnesses talking about the love quest or how Chris kissed them on the cheek without permission.

Even if somebody like Bella or Null actually got subpoenaed it'd be a boring deposition with someone from the state attorney's office on Zoom or something, not in court in front of Harvey Dirdban.

I can say this will not be going to trial with almost 100% certainty.

 

[thegooddoctor]

As a loggy as it sounds, is it bad I'm kinda rooting for prison?

He's gotten away with so much over the years. Running over people, pepper spraying, and he's learned nothing.

He probably won't learn anything from this, but I'm sick of him skirting away with no consequences.

Not A loggy at all, I don’t understand people still wanting to white Knight him at all with everything he’s done, for once I want Chris to actually face the consequences for his actions, he’s skirted the law for so long I want to see him actually face sever emotional repercussions from this. I honestly hope his mind breaks slightly and he’s never the same again, it’s what he deserves.

 

[D_Tractor]

For Appt of a Lawyer? Is that just a pro forma thing moving courts? Or is Heilberg done and they need a new one?

They seem to be in chronological order oldest on bottom. Pretty sure it was the initial appointment of Helberg. The financial statement must be the documentation that he is too poor to pay for his own lawyer.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I think that's a big part of the strategy- the grand jury won't see Chris in the dock or anything like that, only review the evidence presented by the state. Someone who isn't following Chris already probably won't have any idea of what he looks like based on the evidence.

I don't have enough knowledge of the process to comment on whether or not Chris' attorney could have any influence in empaneling a grand jury as opposed to a trial jury but if they can do so I'm sure getting rid of anyone who knows about CWC will be #1 priority.

Also interesting to note the trial is under "Christine Chandler" and not his full legal name like prior cases...I tried searching for it using just "Weston Chandler" and it doesn't come up.


It's a good question...there's no guarantee the original psychiatrists got the diagnosis right to begin with given how much knowledge of the condition has advanced since the mid-80s

However I don't know if we will ever be able to see any of the documentation, I'm not sure what the laws are around getting copies of mental health evaluations and presentence investigation reports in a criminal trial.

/beats head against desk

Look! The Grand Jury is not a trial jury. Neither the Defendant nor the Defense has any contact with them or influence over them. Nor do they ever get transcripts from Grand Jury Proceedings.

The Prosecutor goes before a Grand Jury to ask them to validate Felony Charges be brought. Only the Prosecutor gets to present. And only to show the liklihood that felony crime xyz might have occured. They are pretty much a wholly owned tool of the prosecution.

The Grand Jury will spit back Chris's case and approve whatever felonies the Prosecutor wants in a matter of minutes. No question or doubt.

 

[Xarpho]

No-one knows what charges they plan on going after with the Grand Jury's approval. So, that's kind of a nothing statement.

Nah, this is their nightmare. I'm left, and pretty open about it. No rational person in leftist spheres wants a literal mother-fucking elder abusing greasebag associated with them.

Just to nip it in the bud, yes there are rational people with leftist views. You just never hear about them because they aren't screaming into the twitter void. Extremist enby xe/xer/xim MAPs aren't leftist, they're exploiters.

Chris is being charged as a male because similar to the school bathroom rapist, it upsets the narrative about transwomen not being predators at all.

There’s probably lots of other cases that are swept under the rug because of the bad optics.

 

[Elbow Greased Strength]

/beats head against desk

Look! The Grand Jury is not a trial jury. Neither the Defendant nor the Defense has any contact with them or influence over them. Nor do they ever get transcripts from Grand Jury Proceedings.

The Prosecutor goes before a Grand Jury to ask them to validate Felony Charges be brought. Only the Prosecutor gets to present. And only to show the liklihood that felony crime xyz might have occured. They are pretty much a wholly owned tool of the prosecution.

The Grand Jury will spit back Chris's case and approve whatever felonies the Prosecutor wants in a matter of minutes. No question or doubt.

I'm not sure about that. I'm reading the handbook they give these grand juries in Virginia and it's quite a bit different from what my understanding of a grand jury is, at least in my state:

https://www.vacourts.gov/courts/circuit/handbook_grand_jurors.pdf

They're required to take an oath, call witnesses who are under oath, looks like the testimony is sealed...this is quite a bit different and more involved which might also explain some of the delay. Maybe I'm misinterpreting things but there's no handbook like this for grand juries where I live.

In my state it's a randomly selected group that just hears the prosecution's side and rubber stamps it like you noted, totally open to the public.

 

[Aegeus]

/beats head against desk

So.... if I'm understanding you correctly... what you're saying is the grand jury will come to Chris' jail cell and interview him, and they then decide right there whether or not he will be executed?

 

[Debbie Macomber]

Bullshit at it being a stupid argument, it's not. If she reached the point of needing to have her keys taken away in 2016, it's extremely doubtful that she would have been able to drive home at all in 2021 or 2022.

I know this is the least news worthy thing to keep arguing about, but do you realize how demented YOU sound making this idiotic argument?

Oh we saw video evidence of an elderly woman's cognitive decline for years, but all that goes out the window because she had enough mental faculties to crash a car so bad she totaled it and nearly killed herself and others, leading her family that hates her to finally take an interest in her life again before she actually does kill herself and or someone else. That's evidence that she faked everything else for years, including passively taking abuse on and off camera and allowing her property to be destroyed, because she was smart enough to crash a car! You can't have it together enough to crash a car, and have Alzheimer's! If your 80 year old grandpa crashes his car, don't take his keys away, because having the wherewithal to crash a car is a sign that his mind is sharp as ever.

We can just shut down psyche evals at prisons and asylums. All we need to do is lend cars to people staring into space mumbling to themselves, and if they crash the car then they're totally all there, because how could someone with a failing brain crash a car?