Grand Jury speculation thread

[lolwatagain]

I'm not sure about that. I'm reading the handbook they give these grand juries in Virginia and it's quite a bit different from what my understanding of a grand jury is, at least in my state:

https://www.vacourts.gov/courts/circuit/handbook_grand_jurors.pdf

They're required to take an oath, call witnesses who are under oath, looks like the testimony is sealed...this is quite a bit different and more involved which might also explain some of the delay. Maybe I'm misinterpreting things but there's no handbook like this for grand juries where I live.

In my state it's a randomly selected group that just hears the prosecution's side and rubber stamps it like you noted, totally open to the public.

I'm not aware of any state that has Grand Jury proceedings open to the public. It wouldn't make any sense for a Grand Jury proceeding to be open to the public either, because that would be extremely prejudicial to a defendant.

One of the main reasons for Grand Jury proceedings to be confidential is that prosecutors can introduce any evidence, including evidence that would normally be inadmissible under the Rules of Evidence (such as hearsay). This is also why prosecutors can usually get an indictment from a Grand Jury. A prosecutor would need to have an incredibly shitty case to not get an indictment, especially if you do not even have any hearsay to present to the Grand Jury.

 

[Pointless Sperg]

Fuck
Don't they need evidence even in a guilty plea?

They need evidence to coerce them into a guilty plea. Since it doesn't go to trial though, evidence is never presented in public. (or if it gets as far as hearing for admissibility, evidence related to sexual assault is done in a closed hearing).

I know this is the least news worthy thing to keep arguing about, but do you realize how demented YOU sound making this idiotic argument?

Oh we saw video evidence of an elderly woman's cognitive decline for years, but all that goes out the window because she had enough mental faculties to crash a car so bad she totaled it and nearly killed herself and others, leading her family that hates her to finally take an interest in her life again before she actually does kill herself and or someone else. That's evidence that she faked everything else for years, including passively taking abuse on and off camera and allowing her property to be destroyed, because she was smart enough to crash a car! You can't have it together enough to crash a car, and have Alzheimer's! If your 80 year old grandpa crashes his car, don't take his keys away, because having the wherewithal to crash a car is a sign that his mind is sharp as ever.

We can just shut down psyche evals at prisons and asylums. All we need to do is lend cars to people staring into space mumbling to themselves, and if they crash the car then they're totally all there, because how could someone with a failing brain crash a car?

Not having sufficient reflexes or attentiveness to drive safely is not proof of incapacitation, though it could be a symptom of incapacitation.

For instance many old people are unable to walk safely without a walker, because their balance is not good enough to walk unassisted, but it doesn't mean that they're incapacitated, they're just disabled.

For the purposes of rape, the victim's mental faculties have to be so mentally out of it that they don't know what's happening or what the consequences could be.

 

[Elbow Greased Strength]

I'm not aware of any state that has Grand Jury proceedings open to the public. It wouldn't make any sense for a Grand Jury proceeding to be open to the public either, because that would be extremely prejudicial to a defendant.

You're right, I don't think there are any in the sense of people actually attending the proceedings (for reasons as you noted) but rather whether transcripts and other records are available to the public and how soon after the grand jury has made its recommendation. It seems like Virginia is even stricter than other states in this regard.

One of the main reasons for Grand Jury proceedings to be confidential is that prosecutors can introduce any evidence, including evidence that would normally be inadmissible under the Rules of Evidence (such as hearsay). This is also why prosecutors can usually get an indictment from a Grand Jury. A prosecutor would need to have an incredibly shitty case to not get an indictment, especially if you do not even have any hearsay to present to the Grand Jury.

Apparently if Chris wanted to, he could theoretically testify before the grand jury.

That will obviously not happen but apparently he can do so as part of the process. I'd be curious who all is listed on the bill of indictment for this one but I imagine we will not find that out any time soon.

 

[Halewijn]

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Replace the white dudes with Chris and MLK with the man in the Pickle Suit

Also thank God registrations are closed, if this is even 1/10th as active as the day then it's gonna be abit of a shitshow.

I pictured Jesus Christine Weston-Chandler singing negro spirituals.

 

[Optimus Prime]

It’ll be a regular trial, and if you think that Chris is going to be sent to jail for a decade, I’ll be looking forward to your cries of anguish and HE CANT KEEP GETTING AWAY WITH IT!

Honestly I'd be shocked if he gets more than five years and that's a slim chance. Two or three years is what I think would be the most likely scenario if it gets to trial without a plea.

Really, the biggest question is what the magic number is to put him away such that his relatives will subsequently dispose of his worldly belongings first chance they get such that he'll never see them again.

Also, I missed if anybody had the answer to the question about the tugboat, but doing a brief reading of SSR 83-21, it sounds like the Tugboat will be suspended for as long as Chris is in jail for the felony. So he won't even have 'backpay' to look forward to once he's out.

https://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/rulings/oasi/27/SSR83-21-oasi-27.html

 

[Covid19AteMyPeen]

Bill Gates just donated $20m because he knows that Chris will be free and will come with a vengeance. Without the Hexbox Chris would’ve been all powerful. Now Chris is only a Jesus larper with nothing but his prison toga and bible. And without the PS5 in hand that leaves Chris unable to ply the Stoney games he once knew. Furthermore Josh Moon should buy the house and rent it to Chris even if Chris got some of a Barbra bush who could blame him bush baked beans are good with every meal. And Josh knows his way around foods. It was stream day which means tomorrow is fast day. All days are fast when you’ve got the electric hedge hog Pokémon powers. The powers that be will probably keep Chris under watch via hospitalization

 

[Hepativore]

Honestly I'd be shocked if he gets more than five years and that's a slim chance. Two or three years is what I think would be the most likely scenario if it gets to trial without a plea.

Really, the biggest question is what the magic number is to put him away such that his relatives will subsequently dispose of his worldly belongings first chance they get such that he'll never see them again.

Also, I missed if anybody had the answer to the question about the tugboat, but doing a brief reading of SSR 83-21, it sounds like the Tugboat will be suspended for as long as Chris is in jail for the felony. So he won't even have 'backpay' to look forward to once he's out.

https://www.ssa.gov/OP_Home/rulings/oasi/27/SSR83-21-oasi-27.html

Then there is the possibility of Chris having to register on the SOR after prison and having to comply with that...and in some cases, being on the SOR is even worse than being in prison for some people.

 

[Got Milk!]

Not to mention the fact that no one familiar with Chris or his past actions will be allowed on the jury. So it’ll just be a bunch of randoms who have no clue as to what Chris has done in the past (or at least no very little of Chris)

Ladies and gentleman, here's a 50 hour documentary series we need you to view before we can begin. (I know this can't happen but it would be funny)

Really, the biggest question is what the magic number is to put him away such that his relatives will subsequently dispose of his worldly belongings first chance they get.

I would like to think that has already occurred along with the hoard.

 

[AntiSchwuletteAktion]

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What do the PLEADINGS/ORDERS stuff tell us?

The Order that was issued to Close Pre-Trial Proceedings seems to indicate that Chris is for sure going to trial. They could still prevent a trial by making additional deal offers but if Chris was was willing to reject the deal BEFORE felony indictments, it's almost guaranteed that future deals will be worse and Chris will be even more unlikely to accept them.

Forecast is optimistic for an honest to God Chris Chan incest trial.

 

[NuancedTardWrangler]

They need evidence to coerce them into a guilty plea. Since it doesn't go to trial though, evidence is never presented in public. (or if it gets as far as hearing for admissibility, evidence related to sexual assault is done in a closed hearing).

Well if that’s the case, he is fucked. If his past has taught us anything it’s that if you put pressure on him and he’ll do or say anything.

 

[RodgerDodger]

I'm not sure about that. I'm reading the handbook they give these grand juries in Virginia and it's quite a bit different from what my understanding of a grand jury is, at least in my state:

https://www.vacourts.gov/courts/circuit/handbook_grand_jurors.pdf

They're required to take an oath, call witnesses who are under oath, looks like the testimony is sealed...this is quite a bit different and more involved which might also explain some of the delay. Maybe I'm misinterpreting things but there's no handbook like this for grand juries where I live.

In my state it's a randomly selected group that just hears the prosecution's side and rubber stamps it like you noted, totally open to the public.

Even in Virginia only the Prosecutor gets to talk to the Grand Jury or call witnesses.

 

[Bellsprout]

There's a lot of chatter that he fucked up a plea deal. I'm not familiar with how much information the public can access about this sort of thing, but is confirmation that he was offered one but turned it down/demanded more until it was unreasonable the sort of information that will be made available on public record? I just think it would be really funny to read and am crossing my fingers we will be able to do more than simply speculate about it.

 

[Aciddab]

Also, I missed if anybody had the answer to the question about the tugboat, but doing a brief reading of SSR 83-21, it sounds like the Tugboat will be suspended for as long as Chris is in jail for the felony. So he won't even have 'backpay' to look forward to once he's out.

Yeah, but thanks for the specific link. Still, he was getting it while he wasnt convicted apparently. I wonder if barb had access to where it went, kept claiming her mortgage payments from him, or just cleaned it out. If she didnt, losing 900$ of free money a month is bad, if she did, what if the twist is she stole/is stealing his money?

 

[Big Buns]

Chris is being charged as a male because similar to the school bathroom rapist, it upsets the narrative about transwomen not being predators at all.

There’s probably lots of other cases that are swept under the rug because of the bad optics.

Wouldn’t it be worse optics if he was charged as a female?

 

[ChrisIsGay]

Wouldn’t it be worse optics if he was charged as a female?

Tucker Carlson would shit all over Green County if they did that.

 

[AnOminous]

As to why it took so long, there's a bunch of possibilities, but I'm tired of posting the same speculations over and over (you can just read the thread). We'll have a clearer picture within a couple of weeks when the charges go public (once he's indicted, they have to).

I am definitely looking forward to that because this shit is fucking weird.

 

[I swear she's 18]

Then there is the possibility of Chris having to register on the SOR after prison and having to comply with that...and in some cases, being on the SOR is even worse than being in prison for some people.

I think this is the worst thing that can actually happen to Chris. He's still a child mentally and depending on what tier they put him on. It's going to fuck his life. No more gamestop, no more parks or public areas, no more cons, etc. Being the ignorant dumbass he is. He's going to break it and be confused as all hell when the police arrive (we all know weens are going to be stalking him just to report him) he won't understand what he's doing wrong, or believe it's not, and life will be hell on earth for him. Then again, all he had to do is not fuck his mom.

 

[Big Buns]

Tucker Carlson would shit all over Green County if they did that.

Trans community probably would too. Chris really brings people together.

 

[My Name is Mud]

Trans community probably would too. Chris really brings people together.

And yet last year we had a bunch of twittertrannies seething because people would not respect Chris' pronouns when talking about how he fucked his mother.

 

[Flavius Anthemius]

Trans community probably would too. Chris really brings people together.

Seems to me like some troons would likely use him to rebound their own insecurities onto other people because "Christine's" treatment from the law and hateful bullies was a crime against the wider queer community, or something along those lines.

We're already seeing this shit resurface again now that he's trending all over Twitter since the day of this recent hearing, the publicity will likely accelerate even further when the grand jury commences.