Grand Jury speculation thread

[Got Milk!]

I think the difference is they have to be "legally competent" https://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/right-represent-yourself-criminal-case.html?pathUI=button

I think it makes sense, can't really say someone got a fair trial if they clearly have no idea how to navigate the legal system and are a complete moron.

From the link:
"

• the defendant's age
• the defendant's level of education
• the defendant's familiarity with English, and
• the seriousness of the crime with which the defendant is charged.

No single factor determines the result, and a defendant doesn't need the legal skills of a professional lawyer to qualify for self-representation. As long as a defendant is competent, knowingly gives up the right to an attorney, and understands court proceedings, the defendant is entitled to self-represent."

I think the seriousness of the charge and understanding court proceedings would possibly rule out Chris but it's up to the judge. If he just wanted to see his ship sink, he could declare him competent I suppose.

If one happens to be declared unable to defend themselves solely, can they do it with competent assistance? Such as, having a public defender act as an advisor but the defendant still directly defends themselves?

 

[AnOminous]

Also the judge is never going to allow Chris to defend himself since no one would think he's competent enough to lead his own defense.

A judge can't just decide you have no constitutional rights because he thinks you're dumb.

If they tried he is entitled to a Faretta hearing (after the Supreme Court case that choosing to represent yourself is a fundamental constitutional right). He would pass easily.

 

[My Name is Mud]

A judge can't just decide you have no constitutional rights because he thinks you're dumb.

Truly a shame.

 

[AnOminous]

Truly a shame.

In this case I couldn't think of anything more entertaining than Chris actually representing himself.

So it won't happen because we can't have nice things.

 

[Got Milk!]

In this case I couldn't think of anything more entertaining than Chris actually representing himself.

So it won't happen because we can't have nice things.

"Barbiechan, show us on the MLP plushy where I touched you."
"Here"
"Hmm yes. You used to say that more flirtingly. As you can see, I did in fact use my duck to torpedo my navy in barbiechan. Case dismissed! *Raspberry* "

 

[anti SJW]

So the grand Jury looks at the case on Aug. 8. Will the ruling of the grand jury be made public? If it is, how soon after Aug. 8 will we find out the ruling?

 

[GENERAL MAO]

In this case I couldn't think of anything more entertaining than Chris actually representing himself.

So it won't happen because we can't have nice things.

Chris gets off and is unfit to stand trial, criminally insane, there are lots of characters that have been doxed for causing this and i hope will be brought into court to face trial...

those 4 little shitheads who wanted to make a name for themselves like they got myg0t were the ones that ruined him i want them slammed up anyone can play with a broken duck i want them twats they should be in court and faces charges, and they will ill make sure of it.

 

[Radical Goodspeed]

So the grand Jury looks at the case on Aug. 8. Will the ruling of the grand jury be made public? If it is, how soon after Aug. 8 will we find out the ruling?

I think the deliberations are confidential, but since the result will either be charged or not charged it might not be hard to guess which way they go.

 

[GENERAL MAO]

I think the deliberations are confidential, but since the result will either be charged or not charged it might not be hard to guess which way they go.

FBI little daughter making it hard to charge without her being charged i hope Chris runs free so does she and we can finish what we started, you cannot charge one without the other...

 

[Deborah "Debbie" Grayson]

Chris gets off and is unfit to stand trial, criminally insane, there are lots of characters that have been doxed for causing this and i hope will be brought into court to face trial...

Again with this criminally insane shit. The very fact that you’d want to act in your own defense indicates that you’re mentally competent to stand trial because you’re capable of understanding you need to defend yourself.

To be declared unfit for trial you literally need to have zero capacity to understand you did anything wrong - or what’s going at all. You basically have to be borderline lobotomized and Chris isn’t quite there yet.

 

[GENERAL MAO]

Again with this criminally insane shit. The very fact that you’d want to act in your own defense indicates that you’re mentally competent to stand trial because you’re capable of understanding you need to defend yourself.

To be declared unfit for trial you literally need to have zero capacity to understand you did anything wrong - or what’s going at all. You basically have to be borderline lobotomized and Chris isn’t quite there yet.

He would just say i want to act in my own defence to save the universe and read my books, he has written work of millions of people laughing at him for being insane this entire website was built on the idea of he is mad... i am sorry but if Chris is not mad then who is, you have to take into account that Chris has been driven to this and he could take no more.

chris is mad and does need help and has needed help for a very long time the milking is over, now you have a mental patient.

if i was Chris defence it would sound like this "i have no idea what is real or isn't anymore"

 

[My Name is Mud]

For all the retards:

Mentally unfit to stand trial = a drooling vegetable that can not read, write or understand what people are telling them.

Criminally insane = someone who did not realize they were committing a crime due to mental illness, for example, a schizo that stabs and slashes someone because they thought the victim was a sack of potatoes and they just wanted some fries. Extremely difficult to prove and almost no one can successfully claim this defense.

 

[Fapcop]

So most likely what's happening is that Chris' case has to go before the grand jury so they can charge him with a felony and then he'll get out with some plea deal that involves a couple years probation, which from Chris' letters sounds like the most likely.

But lets say fuck that for a second and assume that Chris is going to trial. What will Heilberg's defense be? I'd guess it would be something along the lines of "No one recorded Chris fuckin Barb, so therefore there is reasonable doubt and you must acquit", which is basically the go to defense for completely unwinnable cases.

Depending on what the prosecution has, a defense of “This was merely ‘big talk’ by a VERY eccentric individual who’s well known for telling tall tales online.” Might be able to get Chris off. Especially combined with a “My client is an autist who has been maliciously bullied for over a decade. This would never had been a case, if there wasn’t a community of thousands of trolls who bombarded police to get Chris in trouble!”

Remember:

1: Beyond reasonable doubt is a High standard to meet.

2: The first reaction people often have when faces with fucked up shit like this, especially when it involves someone like Chris, is to want to believe it’s not true. Even here on the farms, there were all sorts of theories about how Bella had made this all up, or “manipulated” Chris.

 

[Cherenkovblue]

I don't get why people try to get out of jury duty. It's interesting and fun and gets you time off from work that they can't fire you for.

....because unless you're still living at home with mommy you've got bills to pay, and jury pay is universally shitty. How can you even ask a question this stupid?

 

[Smleman303]

From what folks have speculated, dealing with Chris in Greene county, in a way that benefits them, Chris and the community, I don't think probation would be a good result, since given Chris and his history, reoffending will just mean more wasted effort and court time, verses just locking him up for five years (which is where he'll be when he violates probation terms).

Remember how Chris thinks. If they give him a year of time served, and say five years of probation with a no contact order, it will be less than a week before he's back at 14 Branchland, with all sorts of excuses. "I was just driving by!" "I didn't actually go inside!" "I'm worried about my mommy!" "I wanted to see if she was dead so I could back!"

More like waddling, Chris is never going to have a car again even a clunker.

Depending on what the prosecution has, a defense of “This was merely ‘big talk’ by a VERY eccentric individual who’s well known for telling tall tales online.” Might be able to get Chris off. Especially combined with a “My client is an autist who has been maliciously bullied for over a decade. This would never had been a case, if there wasn’t a community of thousands of trolls who bombarded police to get Chris in trouble!”

Remember:

1: Beyond reasonable doubt is a High standard to meet.

2: The first reaction people often have when faces with fucked up shit like this, especially when it involves someone like Chris, is to want to believe it’s not true. Even here on the farms, there were all sorts of theories about how Bella had made this all up, or “manipulated” Chris.

The best part was realising Bella is almost a female Chris chan, except she has fungus feet while he shits his pants. If she wasn't a lesbian they would have been perfect together.

 

[FamicomGorby]

Depending on what the prosecution has, a defense of “This was merely ‘big talk’ by a VERY eccentric individual who’s well known for telling tall tales online.” Might be able to get Chris off. Especially combined with a “My client is an autist who has been maliciously bullied for over a decade. This would never had been a case, if there wasn’t a community of thousands of trolls who bombarded police to get Chris in trouble!”

Remember:

1: Beyond reasonable doubt is a High standard to meet.

2: The first reaction people often have when faces with fucked up shit like this, especially when it involves someone like Chris, is to want to believe it’s not true. Even here on the farms, there were all sorts of theories about how Bella had made this all up, or “manipulated” Chris.

That is true that normies finding out about Chris' extensive online following could be appalled enough to get on Chris' side, especially if they were to find out about the Idea Guys extorting him for money. Guess it depends on what physical evidence they have or anything Barb might have said. Really hoping they did get Chris into an interrogation room at some point and he confessed to the whole thing, cause I wanna see that tape.

From what folks have speculated, dealing with Chris in Greene county, in a way that benefits them, Chris and the community, I don't think probation would be a good result, since given Chris and his history, reoffending will just mean more wasted effort and court time, verses just locking him up for five years (which is where he'll be when he violates probation terms).

Remember how Chris thinks. If they give him a year of time served, and say five years of probation with a no contact order, it will be less than a week before he's back at 14 Branchland, with all sorts of excuses. "I was just driving by!" "I didn't actually go inside!" "I'm worried about my mommy!" "I wanted to see if she was dead so I could back!"

As good as it would be for the community for Chris to be locked up, I also think they don't wanna deal with Chris for years and would want to give him a shot at least. Or they'd rather let nature take it's course, by which I mean he fucks up and someone shoots him in self defense/castle doctrine cause it's rural Virginia.

 

[AnOminous]

2: The first reaction people often have when faces with fucked up shit like this, especially when it involves someone like Chris, is to want to believe it’s not true. Even here on the farms, there were all sorts of theories about how Bella had made this all up, or “manipulated” Chris.

They're not really going to get that in a grand jury. They're just there to decide if there's probable cause and if there is, to return a true bill, whether or not there are any defenses. Those defenses are up to the defendant to prove at trial. If Chris fucked Barb, then any affirmative defenses he has get raised at trial, not before the grand jury. Anything that amounts to "yes I did it but muh cyberboolies" isn't really relevant at that stage.

 

[Second-Hand Boat Supplies]

... i am sorry but if Chris is not mad then who is, you have to take into account that Chris has been driven to this and he could take no more…

We’ve collectively discussed the bar for incompetence to stand trial for nearly a year now. Christ, just Google the definition and it will tell you both exactly who is “mad” and that Chris does not meet that standard

 

[GENERAL MAO]

We’ve collectively discussed the bar for incompetence to stand trial for nearly a year now. Christ, just Google the definition and it will tell you both exactly who is “mad” and that Chris does not meet that standard

If Chris stood trial as a normal person would mean everything we have ever done means nothing and all these people on this website are completely insane and should be judged according, it would mean we are insane and they are normal, how the hell can you guys not get your mind around this guy is not normal, bully him for 10 years then throw him to the dogs attitude.

grow a backbone and man up.

 

[Haloperidol IM]

....because unless you're still living at home with mommy you've got bills to pay, and jury pay is universally shitty. How can you even ask a question this stupid?

Building off your point, the Commonwealth of Virginia provides only $30 in compensation for service on a jury.

Knowing that Chris probably won't plea out, he's going to fuck over at least 12 people out of their wages. Thank God the jury is only addressing guilt and not recommending sentencing.

Edit: @AnOminous correctly pointed out that the jury does have input on sentencing in Virginia. If Chris was able to feel gratitude, he should thank the Framers for the existence of the Eighth Amendment.