Lord of the Rings TV Series in Development - How could this POSSIBLY go wrong...

[Oats12345]

The thing that disgusts me about this is that agency does not, in and of itself, make for a good character. The larger problem isn't that they're giving female characters "agency", I have a feeling these retards don't even know what agency means, it's that they are taking pre-established characters and completely rewriting them to "subvert gender norms". Making Galadriel into a "badass" warrior and turning Elrond into a weepy faggot to stick it to the patricary is .

I agree. Galadreil was already a badass in a different way for me.

 

[Syaoran Li]

I do sort of find it funny that LotR is somewhat the right-wing equivalent of Harry Potter in that they love to make dumb references to it to describe current events, when in fact Tolkien had a admiration for the Jewish people, culture, and language. You'd think the left would use it as a gotcha more.

I suspect a lot of them love LOTR because Tolkien was a shell-shocked veteran who wanted to return to monke medieval times since World War I broke his mind and he became a hyper-traditionalist Catholic as a response. He was a brilliant scholar, linguist, and writer but there was madness within his genius.

J.R.R. Tolkien was preaching "The Industrial Revolution and its consequences were a disaster for the entire human race" before Uncle Ted was even a twinkle in his father's eye.

Tolkien was like a bizarre mix of Ted Kaczynski and a bizarro hyper-Catholic version of Jack Chick when he was writing a lot of these old books. Wartime PTSD is a hell of a drug.

Don't get me wrong, Tolkien was a literary genius and a man ahead of his time but the /pol/ crowd treat his works like soy beardos and dangerhairs treat the MCU and Harry Potter (before Rowling went full TERF)

When he got older, he oddly mellowed out and became almost a quasi-lolbertarian towards the end of his life.

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-diversity-gender-new-cast-members-142522711.html

Its telling the very goal stated is diversity. Not adapting Professor Tolkien's work(who is barely mentioned in the article).

"And I can’t wait for the time when that’s not even a question anymore. It’s just so nice that the modern world that we’re living in today really is reflected within the world that J.D. and Patrick have created."

There you have it, any claim of respecting the material in either letter or spirit is utter bs.

What do you care? You're not White, you're a fucking inbred border reiver (or at least you claim to be, which I actually kind of doubt)

The thing that disgusts me about this is that agency does not, in and of itself, make for a good character. The larger problem isn't that they're giving female characters "agency", I have a feeling these retards don't even know what agency means, it's that they are taking pre-established characters and completely rewriting them to "subvert gender norms". Making Galadriel into a "badass" warrior and turning Elrond into a weepy faggot to stick it to the patricary is .

J.R.R Tolkien is rolling in his grave and the dark-haired maiden lady is rolling on top of him.

Christopher Tolkien is also rolling in his grave. They didn't really go all out with their woke bullshit until after Christopher Tolkien died and couldn't fight back.

I always felt Galadriel's altered role in those shitty Hobbit flicks was more of a cheap marketing gimmick than something woke. When you compare it to the Amazon LOTR stuff, it's mild in retrospect.

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

I always felt Galadriel's altered role in those shitty Hobbit flicks was more of a cheap marketing gimmick than something woke. When you compare it to the Amazon LOTR stuff, it's mild in retrospect.

She canonically participated in the White Council's attack on Dol Guldur. They didn't get that out of thin air, though the nature of the assault is never gone into much detail over whether it was actually a physical confrontation or some sort of magical assault to drive Sauron out.

 

[starborn427614]

She canonically participated in the White Council's attack on Dol Guldur. They didn't get that out of thin air, though the nature of the assault is never gone into much detail over whether it was actually a physical confrontation or some sort of magical assault to drive Sauron out.

Still can't get over Saruman saying "leave Sauron to me".

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

Still can't get over Saruman saying "leave Sauron to me".

I only watched the Hobbit films once and only barely remember them, but I assume that's a reference to the fact that Saruman is credited with playing the largest role in undertaking the attack on Gol Dulgur, due to him being the leader of the White Council and the most skilled in understanding and combating Sauron's magic.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

https://www.yahoo.com/entertainment/the-lord-of-the-rings-the-rings-of-power-diversity-gender-new-cast-members-142522711.html

Its telling the very goal stated is diversity. Not adapting Professor Tolkien's work(who is barely mentioned in the article).

All this talk about diversity crap can be compared to someone talking about the different kinds of garbage they have in their garbage bag.

"There are moldy apples, rotten fish, my old sneakers, the socks my dog chewed on, empty milk cartons, lots of eggshells..."

Lots of different things but it's still garbage.

 

[frozenrunner]

"Every woman has an agency in this show" wasn't that the case in the books too? Like their acting like Tolken didn't write good female characters.

> "every woman has agency in our shows"
> spends all their time denying modern women have any agency as 24/7 victims

 

[Ishtar]

"is easily the most diverse, gender-balanced we’ve seen yet in Middle-earth", - "We’re talking about a global show, and a global audience. This is now the reality. This is not about taking the narrow view," - "And if you’re going to tell this story in 2022, this to me feels like the only way to tell it, the only way to represent it. And I think people have been really hungry to see full representation in this world." - "Every woman has agency on this show,”

"Oh no, blacks and wymen won't be represented!" How terrible.

Note the attitude here, the story must reflect real world demographics or rather must appease certain demographics, because they'd get their fees fees hurt if they don't see themselves on screen.

Stunning gall really.

 

[TheHarbinger]

I always felt Galadriel's altered role in those shitty Hobbit flicks was more of a cheap marketing gimmick than something woke. When you compare it to the Amazon LOTR stuff, it's mild in retrospect.

It is also the backwards way that literally all prequels do world building now. You have these giant worlds and yet events only seem to happen to a handful of people in the entirety of the universe. In the Star Wars prequels you have literally entire galaxies to explore yet see the same people over and over no matter where you are. Same with the Hobbit films where they are bringing in everyone from LOTR that they possibly can. Same with even stuff like Better Call Saul where every other character was from Breaking Bad and not new for the show. They are supposed to expand the worlds and lore but instead they make everything seem smaller. These worlds end up shrinking the stories to focus on one small group of people in a story that potentially expands the world or even galaxies. No matter where you go those same characters will appear over and over.

This is like how Forest Gump, a movie for simpletons, was written. Where Gump is practically there for every single famous event in his entire lifetime. And literally stumbles into every possible historic event that the writers can jam into the story. They want a handful of characters or one character that can witness every single event in the entire narrative. So Galadriel is like Forest Gump and there for every single event. She even narrates the LOTR films using Treebeard's lines.

I know most people respect Christopher Tolkien but he was a moron with no vision. The second that they removed the Scouring of the Shire from the films he should have realized that he gave the rights to the wrong people and fought. JRR Tolkien wrote the entire LOTR trilogy specifically for the Scouring moment where they return and see their homeland ravaged by industry and foreigners. He probably approved of Galadriel having those lines or praised them like a dimwit.

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

I know most people respect Christopher Tolkien but he was a moron with no vision. The second that they removed the Scouring of the Shire from the films he should have realized that he gave the rights to the wrong people and fought. JRR Tolkien wrote the entire LOTR trilogy specifically for the Scouring moment where they return and see their homeland ravaged by industry and foreigners. He probably approved of Galadriel having those lines or praised them like a dimwit.

I'm not sure how much Christopher Tolkien was involved in the Jackson movies but it is a well known fact that he absolutely hated them after they came out. He wasn't perfect and made several stupid decisions regarding to whom he gave the rights of his father's story, I'll give you that though. And that whole thing about the Scouring of the Shire being the entire reason that Tolkien wrote the Lord of the Rings is unfounded to my knowledge, unless you have some direct evidence of it. He said multiple times that he took the one aspect of the Hobbit that had potential for a sequel in his eyes, the Ring, and the story grew from there almost chaotically with him adding more and more to it. The Scouring of the Shire is a thematically important part of the narrative of LotR, but no one but the most fanatical of fans agree that it would absolutely ruin the pacing of the final act of the movie, which already is infamous for having 'too many endings'.

 

[Mega Black]

in fact Tolkien had a admiration for the Jewish people

Hey, nobody's perfect.

 

[Standardized Profile]

The book version of Arwen was much less action-y (that scene at the river in the first movie was actually a completely different character who wasn't adapted) and Eowyn ends up marrying Faramir and becoming a tradwife.

Lobelia Sackville-Baggins's evolution from annoying relative to political prisoner and honored matron is the best female arc in Tolkien's legendarium.

I'm not sure how much Christopher Tolkien was involved in the Jackson movies

As far as I know, he wasn't and he had no right to be.

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

One billion dollars. One billion dollars, people. Wow. Twitter

 

[don't tred on snek]

What in Xena the Warrior Princess is this

 

[Elwood P. Dowd]

What in Xena the Warrior Princess is this

I think I'd prefer a remake of Xena to what this is turning into, though I must concede what I saw on Twitter was endless sperging and nobody providing this source for this.

 

[OutInTheRain]

One billion dollars. One billion dollars, people. Wow. Twitter

Wow...just wow...it looks so cheap. I'm now convinced this is money laundering for the Bezo's cocaine fund.

 

[PenguinSuitAlice]

One billion dollars. One billion dollars, people. Wow. Twitter

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It's technically a little less than half a billion but yeah that looks as terrible as expected. Everything about it looks ridiculous and overdone, exactly as I said a couple days ago. Throwing absurd amounts of money at something doesn't necessarily make some good. Everything about this screams of waste. "Overproduced" is the word I think I'm looking for.

I think I'd prefer a remake of Xena to what this is turning into, though I must concede what I saw on Twitter was endless sperging and nobody providing this source for this.

The logo on the upper right is Portuguese for The Rings of Power, if you were wondering. So I'm guessing the source is Brazilian.

 

[SmugAutist]

One billion dollars. One billion dollars, people. Wow. Twitter

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All the comments mocking the show with Marvel quotes are right on the money. They managed to turn a genuine work of mythology into capeshit. Bad capeshit.

 

[Turtles Montana]

One billion dollars. One billion dollars, people. Wow. Twitter

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Tolkien: "And then Galadriel, with of zeal unmatched and peerless determination, did like the sickest jump and killed the hell outta that troll, dude...like shit was cray..."

 

[mindlessobserver]

It is also the backwards way that literally all prequels do world building now. You have these giant worlds and yet events only seem to happen to a handful of people in the entirety of the universe. In the Star Wars prequels you have literally entire galaxies to explore yet see the same people over and over no matter where you are. Same with the Hobbit films where they are bringing in everyone from LOTR that they possibly can. Same with even stuff like Better Call Saul where every other character was from Breaking Bad and not new for the show. They are supposed to expand the worlds and lore but instead they make everything seem smaller. These worlds end up shrinking the stories to focus on one small group of people in a story that potentially expands the world or even galaxies. No matter where you go those same characters will appear over and over.

This is like how Forest Gump, a movie for simpletons, was written. Where Gump is practically there for every single famous event in his entire lifetime. And literally stumbles into every possible historic event that the writers can jam into the story. They want a handful of characters or one character that can witness every single event in the entire narrative. So Galadriel is like Forest Gump and there for every single event. She even narrates the LOTR films using Treebeard's lines.

I know most people respect Christopher Tolkien but he was a moron with no vision. The second that they removed the Scouring of the Shire from the films he should have realized that he gave the rights to the wrong people and fought. JRR Tolkien wrote the entire LOTR trilogy specifically for the Scouring moment where they return and see their homeland ravaged by industry and foreigners. He probably approved of Galadriel having those lines or praised them like a dimwit.

You kinda missed the point of Forest Gump. Forest Gump was an atavistic stand in for the every man growing up between the 1940's and the 1990's. Forest was present for literally every major event because the every man was present for every single event. It was a meditation on the fact that individually all of us are effectively retards controlled by forces we cannot understand, and yet for some reason the individual can and does cause history to move foreword.