Info On Chris’ Case Posted By Greene County Circuit Court - Posted 7/29/22. First hearing is scheduled for 8/8 at 9:30 AM

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What new attorney?
Apparently, there's a letter from Heilberg. The impression that I got and some thought that he was going to be removed or he removed himself from Chris' defense because Chris failed learning about how to understand how to act in the courtroom. Basically, with Heilberg's plan in getting Western to get Chris to act right failed and him returning to jail, like Bob, Heilberg threw his hands up and said "fuck this."

I think Chris refused all of the plea deals
Of course Chris thought, like the Snyder trial, he wanted to get his 'good named' cleared. The dumb motherfucker refuses to take the L. That's why Chris' ending won't be looking good.
 
Apparently, there's a letter from Heilberg.
Is this from the list we got when things were released? Because those events weren’t dated, so some people assumed Heilberg’s initial letter from a year ago had actually happened recently when it didn’t.

Is there something more concrete than that misunderstanding?
 
To be fair, I don’t think Chris has ever shown attraction to boys. Having sex with Barb was sort of the opposite of what NAMBLA stands for.

NAMBLA doesn't even really exist anymore. After the gay community realized they had to throw NAMBLA under the bus to be accepted, it was progressively dismantled until the newsletter basically had no subscribers.

The LGBT community likes to pretend that NAMBLA wasn't a core component of their movement in the 70s and 80's, that NAMBLA was the founding member of ILGA (which became the consultative representative of LGBT issues in the United Nations, until people noticed that it was started by NAMBLA). Boy diddlers were the vanguard.

I have no problem with faggots, but they have a lot of revisionist history now that they're considered acceptable.

They can't give anymore continuances, in simple terms they can't postpone the hearings anymore. He's been indicted for incest. By this point, unless information or his indictment changed, all of the hearing dates are set and done.

Sure they can. Now that it's in a new court there's tons of reasons it could happen. Fewer, since a lot of it got hashed out in J&DR, but unless the defense wants to pull the trigger now, they're no rule against it if they have a valid reason.

That's provided he keeps writing the letters. He's repeatedly been getting mad at Kengle and Chris could simply choose to cut contact with everyone, deeming them 'unworthy' of communing with him.

Chris can't live without attention. He won't truly disappear until he's dead or permanently hospitalized.

Please please please read what people like AnOminous and Pointless Sperg post. They are extremely knowledgeable.

Speaking for myself, I'm just a retard with an education and experience working with courts in a completely different jurisdiction. I intentionally don't PL about the exact details, but it's not like I'm particularly knowledgeable in Virginia law. I'm learning just as much as anyone else. Please don't take me as an authority on the particulars of Chris' legal issues, only as someone who knows how to do the research.

I have to make these disclaimers as misrepresenting myself would be an ethics violation and potentially get me in trouble.

After a true bill is returned, the state has nine months to bring a felony to trial (with a bunch of exceptions), but again, the defendant can usually waive this either explicitly or by filing delaying motions so that the delay is his own fault. You don't get to throw a monkey wrench in the case and then claim you were denied a speedy trial.

Five months if incarcerated, and it's from the prelim hearing in J&DR, not the true bill. Based on what we know from the document filings, this happened long ago. But, as you say, we can assume that pretty much all the time in between has been covered by the exceptions, so it's basically irrelevant.

From digging I did though, there are in fact people who've gotten out of a rape conviction by stalling until the prosecution was extremely busy with another case, and then strategically stopped stalling to start the clock ticking again, and by the time the prosecutor noticed it was too late.

It's a very nominal sum, something like $500 for a felony in district court. Typically those just plead out so it really isn't a huge cost to the lawyer providing the PD work.

That's the base fee that they get automatically. For longer cases they get paid for their time, but a judge has to approve it -- and they usually do. It's still low pay for an attorney, but it's not just a flat fee.

People who rape child and people who rape adults go to separate prisons. You're looking at (once again) a federal charge versus a state charge.

It's almost always a state charge. The federal government gets involved when crossing state lines (and they don't always get involved, even then), or it happens on federal land/maritime territory.

They don't have separate prisons for chomos, just separate areas in the prison.

The grand jury proceedings are kept completely secret so there is no way anyone would be able to access that information. I'm not sure what the situation will be for any future proceedings but it's common for trials involving sex offenses to be closed to the public, especially if it involves any witnesses or victims.

The trial (if it happens) will almost certainly be open.

Any hearings involving the admissibility of evidence related to sexual acts will be closed. The theory behind this is that if evidence is deemed inadmissible, then the public doesn't need to see it.

When the (admissible) evidence is presented at trial, the public generally gets to see it, though graphic evidence of certain nature will often not be shown to the public, and only to the jury, and the public just gets a description of what the evidence was.

For instance in CP trials they don't show the CP to the public, it's just shown to the jury and the public just gets an explanation of what it is.

Apparently, there's a letter from Heilberg. The impression that I got and some thought that he was going to be removed or he removed himself from Chris' defense because Chris failed learning about how to understand how to act in the courtroom. Basically, with Heilberg's plan in getting Western to get Chris to act right failed and him returning to jail, like Bob, Heilberg threw his hands up and said "fuck this."

It's just a letter. We don't know what it is. It could be as you describe, but it could just as easily be something else.
 
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Will the hearing on Tuesday just be reading the charges to Chris and allow him to plea?
Unlikely. The time for plea deals went away when they sent this to the grand jury.
You really don't fuck with the system, have the grand jury work and review the evidence and then just tell them "sucks to be you guys, you are just a plea negotiation technique."
 
You really don't fuck with the system, have the grand jury work and review the evidence and then just tell them "sucks to be you guys, you are just a plea negotiation technique."
Unless you're rich and powerful, you can fuck with the system, at 'worst', the most you'll get punished for is a fine (that is if you're guilty of white collar crimes). Chris thinks he's powerful, and while thinking he can fuck the system, he's dead wrong. If only Borb taught him about respecting the law and not being a sex pest, but well, here we are.
 
Basically, with Heilberg's plan in getting Western...

In hindsight this was probably the biggest mistake or failure of his part. At this point Chris is documented to be uncontrollable and needing physical restraints. The only two types of places in the state that can handle people that needs physical restraints are Prisons or Mental Health Wards.
Chris options on hosting are very limited now.
 
In hindsight this was probably the biggest mistake or failure of his part. At this point Chris is documented to be uncontrollable and needing physical restraints. The only two types of places in the state that can handle people that needs physical restraints are Prisons or Mental Health Wards.
Chris options on hosting are very limited now.
Section 8 is out of the oicture now I guess
 
Apparently, there's a letter from Heilberg. The impression that I got and some thought that he was going to be removed or he removed himself from Chris' defense because Chris failed learning about how to understand how to act in the courtroom. Basically, with Heilberg's plan in getting Western to get Chris to act right failed and him returning to jail, like Bob, Heilberg threw his hands up and said "fuck this."


Of course Chris thought, like the Snyder trial, he wanted to get his 'good named' cleared. The dumb motherfucker refuses to take the L. That's why Chris' ending won't be looking good.
Withdrawal from representation - particularly with an active felony case, particularly when appointed/serving as a public defender, particular with a "compromised" client - is difficult and thorny.

From the Virginia State Bar Professional Guidelines (Rule 1.16):

"Optional Withdrawal

[7] A lawyer may withdraw from representation in some circumstances. The lawyer has the option to withdraw if it can be accomplished without material adverse effect on the client's interests. Withdrawal is also justified if the client persists in a course of action that the lawyer reasonably believes is illegal or unjust, for a lawyer is not required to be associated with such conduct even if the lawyer does not further it. Withdrawal is also permitted if the lawyer's services were misused in the past even if that would materially prejudice the client. The lawyer also may withdraw where the client insists on a repugnant or imprudent objective.

[8] A lawyer may withdraw if the client refuses to abide by the terms of an agreement relating to the representation, such as an agreement concerning fees or court costs or an agreement limiting the objectives of the representation."

In addition, a lawyer must withdraw if, among other things, "the representation will result in violation of the Rules of Professional Conduct or other law."

VSB PG 1.16

THAT SAID: There is no point in going into amateur speculation about whether this standard has been met*; you'd really need to look at any precedent where it's been litigated, or be someone very familiar with VA professional responsibility rules/practice. What does need to be understood is that, in a situation such as Chris's, it's not just a matter of quitting once you have an annoying or difficult client.

*I know everyone is going to seize on "illegal/ unjust/ repugnant/ imprudent," and, in particular, Chris's letters expressing a desire that Barb die or to force her out of the house, but bear in mind that a large number of legal clients (nevermind felony criminal clients) live in this universe of repugnant, imprudent, etc.

Also bear in mind that if every criminal and/or shifty client with an appointed attorney got dropped by his attorney, relatively few of them would probably get represented at all, which of course is not the case.

And finally, bear in mind that given Chris's mental/developmental issues, withdrawal because he's been a tard and continues doing tard things is probably more difficult, absent being able to turn over representation to someone more qualified, willing and able.
 
In hindsight this was probably the biggest mistake or failure of his part. At this point Chris is documented to be uncontrollable and needing physical restraints. The only two types of places in the state that can handle people that needs physical restraints are Prisons or Mental Health Wards.
Chris options on hosting are very limited now.
It's been said, but since Chris was raised up until this point in relative comfort, given his history, it's no surprise he would end up anywhere else but his house. I believe most of the members here theorized Chris's next stage in life would have been in section 8 housing, but with the paperwork and work just to get on a waiting list, Chris thought he was too good for that, and continues to hold on to the belief that he will remain in the temple. I doubt praetor or any ween would make that happen.
 
Withdrawal from representation - particularly with an active felony case, particularly when appointed/serving as a public defender, particular with a The lawyer also may withdraw where the client insists on a repugnant or imprudent objective.

I wonder if "Your Honor, I can not get my client to stop sending written and signed statements(the letters) where he admits raping his mother to random people" could be considered imprudent objective.
 
Apparently, there's a letter from Heilberg. The impression that I got and some thought that he was going to be removed or he removed himself from Chris' defense because Chris failed learning about how to understand how to act in the courtroom. Basically, with Heilberg's plan in getting Western to get Chris to act right failed and him returning to jail, like Bob, Heilberg threw his hands up and said "fuck this."


Of course Chris thought, like the Snyder trial, he wanted to get his 'good named' cleared. The dumb motherfucker refuses to take the L. That's why Chris' ending won't be looking good.
There’s a whole system for dealing with crazy defendants. Things like what to do when the defendant wants to defend themself, dealing with courtroom outbursts, how to get the judge and DA to work with you to avert a shitshow, etc.

Heidelberg seems like an experienced public defender and it’s likely Chris is not his first rodeo with nutcases. It’s not like he did maritime law or contracts or some shit.

If Chris turns out to be too crazy for a seasoned public defender then that’s big. God I want to see Chris try to defend himself.
 
I wonder if "Your Honor, I can not get my client to stop sending written and signed statements(the letters) where he admits raping his mother to random people" could be considered imprudent objective.

I would expect the imprudent objective would need to be something involving the lawyer, such as Chris demanding Heilberg DoS the court with a bunch of obviously frivolous motions. Chris's letters are imprudent for Chris, but they don't require Heilberg to take any criminal or unethical action.
 
You really don't fuck with the system, have the grand jury work and review the evidence and then just tell them "sucks to be you guys, you are just a plea negotiation technique."
The grand jury spends all of a half hour or so on a case and Chris is just one of ten degenerates scheduled for this Term Day. "Here's the charges, here's the confession." *rubber stamp go stamp*.

Just so you know what they're dealing with, this is all the grand jury cases for tomorrow:
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So they're getting there in the morning, having their coffee, and then going through all these cases on the same day.

Pleas happen at all stages in the proceedings. The two times I had jury duty, the felony cases pled out right before voir dire started and we got sent back home.

They can even plead out during the trial.
 
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The grand jury spends all of a half hour or so on a case and Chris is just one of ten degenerates scheduled for this Term Day. "Here's the charges, here's the confession." *rubber stamp go stamp*.

Just so you know what they're dealing with, this is all the grand jury cases for tomorrow:
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So they're getting there in the morning, having their coffee, and then going through all these cases on the same day.

Pleas happen at all stages in the proceedings. The two times I had jury duty, the felony cases pled out right before voir dire started and we got sent back home.

They can even plead out during the trial.
Wait, lawyers don't get lifetime exemption from jury duty where you are?? That is fucking mental, to use the correct term of art. We are exempted as long as we remain eligible to practice.
 
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It would be nice to hear this live, as unlikely as that is.
I’m guessing if it goes to trial, it would still not be broadcasted? I distinctly remember hearing it wasn’t going to be since it was a family matter. I don’t believe anything regarding that has changed.
 
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Wait, lawyers don't get lifetime exemption from jury duty where you are?? That is fucking mental, to use the correct term of art. We are exempted as long as we remain eligible to practice.
That's not at all universal. However, striking them for cause during voir dire is. Also I was only a student at the time anyway, so it would actually have been pretty useful to attend. I've known one lawyer who got on a jury who was of course immediately foreperson. I'm not sure what motivated both sides not to strike for cause.
 
12 hours til judgement day. Reading that last letter sparked a fire under my ass and I'm almost MATI from how callous the fat fuck was
based on a prior post it seems like they've already got his felony hearing scheduled the next day (or some hearing) I'm fairly sure at this point the prosecution knows exactly what they plan on doing with Chris and this grand jury is all a due process formality at this point. Assuming lardass didn't screw the pooch (again) and isn't demanding this go to trial. If the rumors are true and he demanded that against Heilburg's consul, AND intends on dismissing him as his lawyer since he refuses to do what he says and/or has failed to pull a not guilty miracle out his ass (the same reason he grew to hate Rob Bell) Then he is so screwed five ways to sunday.
 
based on a prior post it seems like they've already got his felony hearing scheduled the next day (or some hearing) I'm fairly sure at this point the prosecution knows exactly what they plan on doing with Chris and this grand jury is all a due process formality at this point. Assuming lardass didn't screw the pooch (again) and isn't demanding this go to trial. If the rumors are true and he demanded that against Heilburg's consul, AND intends on dismissing him as his lawyer since he refuses to do what he says and/or has failed to pull a not guilty miracle out his ass (the same reason he grew to hate Rob Bell) Then he is so screwed five ways to sunday.
God, if you're listening, I will never ask for anything again. Please give us this
 
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