Better Call Saul

[nosemouth]

Spoiler

Honestly shocked he didn't kill Marion, that's still a line he won't cross

 

[Pringles Can]

Well, I'm slightly more optimistic the ending won't be total shit after tonight's episode.

 

[anti SJW]

How does anyone know that the Gene timeline takes place in 2010?

In the Gene scene where Gene gets locked in with the trash, you can see a shedule on the door and 2010 is the year.

Plus.

Spoiler

In tonight's episode, the phone call between Gene/Jimmy and Kim is done from a different perspective. He says "it's been 6 years." We know the main BCS time-line ends in 2004.

 

[Johnny Salami]

How does anyone know that the Gene timeline takes place in 2010?

Before he goes on the run, Saul tells Francesca to be at the phone on Nov 12
Hank dies in March so that's around the time both Walt and Saul go on the run
Walt return in early September to get his revenge and Is found dead. The police now believe Jesse escaped to Mexico when he's in Alaska
so yeah, two months after getting humiliated and failing to catch Walt the Feds would be going Ham trying to catch either Jesse or Saul to get a victory

 

[Magikoopa]

Thought Saul would mope when Kim walked out, instead he waved her off and went about living his best life. Thought Gene going full retard was because he missed her, it was actually because she said his life sucks now. Thought the color would return when he met with Kim again, was actually when Saul caught up with him. Honestly pleased they're managing to avoid some soppy simp bullshit like "SHE was what was really important to him all along!"

The Saul ads being the only color in his life was a neat touch too, I think. Hesitating to fuck up the Cancer Guy until he falls asleep again and being talked down from hurting the old lady at the expense of his cover and potential freedom showing as far as he's fallen he's still not a complete fuckup like Walt, too

 

[StrawberryDouche]

Why can't some of you complainy motherfuckers just sit back and let a story be told to you? I'm not talking about analysis and criticism, I'm talking about.. well, you know who and what I'm talking about.

Before all the Kim fags shit up the thread, I am wholly unsympathetic to her pain and am glad she's experiencing it.

It wasn't her conscience or moral compass that caused her to confess, it was her fear of Saul ratting her out, which is totally valid because holy fuck he is off the rails. He's gone Full Walt when he was at his most rage filled worst.

 

[TheHarbinger]

It wasn't her conscience or moral compass that caused her to confess, it was her fear of Saul ratting her out, which is totally valid because holy fuck he is off the rails. He's gone Full Walt when he was at his most rage filled worst.

She is definitely afraid of Jimmy getting caught and cutting a deal and implicating her in some of his (and their) criminality. She has been around people who cut deals and rat people out all of her life basically. She has seen enough from the courthouse. Now she can tell her side of the 'story' and get in with the police and prosecutors to lock in a statement before Jimmy can scapegoat her. Her talking to Howard's widow makes no sense outside of her beating Jimmy to the punch. Like she just sits there while Howard's widow relives his death, and then basically says "yeah the DA won't touch me" right to her face. It was all for Kim.

It appears as though the FBI and DEA are not listening to her phones though. Because they would be onto Jimmy immediately. The DEA in this series is filled with retards top to bottom apparently.

 

[Swirling weeb]

I’m going to be honest with you guys
I don’t think huel’s coming back

 

[anti SJW]

About Kim

Spoiler

That must have been some amazing sex from the boyfriend in Florida to make Her want to go back to New Mexico, confess everything, and try to get Saul to turn Himself in.

 

[Cymophane]

i like how the intros are getting fuzzier as we reach the conclusion

I'm so disappointed in Meredith, I thought she'd be cool.

 

[Norbert the Tiger]

I have mixed feelings about this episode and thus a big part of how Better Call Saul ends and how I will regard it as a whole.

1) I don't think Kim turned herself out of fear of being implicated. She had nothing to do with Walter White or any of that. She and Jimmy also did not kill Howard, Lalo did, and she could say she cooperated with Gus Fring and Mike out of coercion. What benefit would Saul even have of disclosing that?
Instead this was about moral-fagging. It was about her conscience, as we see when she talks with Howard's ex wife/widow, which is a total copout as I see it because the bitch was divorcing him, and now she cares once he is murdered in cold blood.
What good does confessing to what happened to Howard do? She thinks her lief sucks now, wait till she faces some sort of criminal liability for being an accessory after the fact.

2) I did not mind the second version of Jeff. The way he sped off away fromt the police getting in a car accident is buffoonish and out of character, and a desperate way to set up Gene interacting with Marion, which could have happened even without the Keystone Cop buffoonery.

3) It is important to remember that Jimmy was hesitant about going through with the scam on Howard. Kim pressed it.... Then when Lalo shows up and murders Howard (something neither could have foreseen), she stabs Jimmy in the heart and leaves him. People on reddit are denouncing Jimmy for being so insincere in the scene in the office when the divorce papers signed. She made him that way.

Really the show has regressed into a god damn morality play. Don't run scams kids and don't do things that get you in the game in the criminal underworld, because if Lalo Salamanca teleports into your apartment and kills the guy you were scamming, you're morally responsible for it, and from that moral bankruptcy things will cascade into you facilitating Walter White, and he is the worst of all. I never bought the moral fagging about Walter White, either, but that is a different post entirely..

 

[Fortunato Brown]

Okay, now I'm at the point where I'm not sure the old Jeff actor could even have possibly done these scenes.

 

[Ward]

Im sorry everyone i was completelly wrong and retarded

 

[Magikoopa]

Time and time again Kim has been shown to not be able to keep up with Saul morally. She could play along with his little pranks, maybe instigate a few of her own, but she was incapable of giving as little of a shit as Saul did about their effects on people. His brother commits suicide by burning himself to death, and he shrugs it off and goes back to his cereal. She was obviously disturbed by this. Howard is murdered in front of the both of them, and they continue to shit on his memory to his widow just to tie up a loose end. She could follow through on the lie, but the weight of what they did was too much for her conscience. When she divorced him, Saul brushed it off just as easily as he brushed off Chuck and Howard. It bothered her.
She managed to forget about it until Saul, after associating with Walt's empire, calls her back and chews her out for being as much of an asshole as he is; this is after Saul is associated with a nursing home bombing, murder of federal agents, and the largest drug empire in American history. She has a criminal streak like Saul does, and she's not a complete moralfag white knight, what she DOESN'T want to be is as soulless as Saul is about the consequences of their actions.
This isn't preaching morality. In the end, Walt fucking won Breaking Bad. He got everything he wanted, secured his legacy with his family, with Jesse, and with the entire world. I still think Saul has hope too.

 

[TheHarbinger]

1) I don't think Kim turned herself out of fear of being implicated. She had nothing to do with Walter White or any of that. She and Jimmy also did not kill Howard, Lalo did, and she could say she cooperated with Gus Fring and Mike out of coercion. What benefit would Saul even have of disclosing that.
Instead this was about moral-fagging. It was about her conscience.

Correct. But she cannot keep a clean conscience if a court of law sends her to prison and a judge says "guilty". In order for her to clear her conscience she needs to basically virtue signal her actions and perform mental gymnastic to see herself as a new person. And retroactively justify her scumbag behavior when she was a lawyer. She has to clear herself of being implicated in Jimmy's criminal life to validate her own estimation of herself. She cannot say to herself "I was innocent" if a judge says "guilty". So she is pinning it all on Jimmy here to make herself feel better.

But she will not feel better if she is in jail. Jesse, Walt, Jimmy, and now Kim all tried to avoid jail.

2) I did not mind the second version of Jeff. The way he sped off away fromt the police getting in a car accident is buffoonish and out of character, and a desperate way to set up Gene interacting with Marion, which could have happened even without the Keystone Cop buffoonery.

There is no chance that the original actor for Jeff was going to ram his taxi into a parked car like a goof. They had to have rewritten him. They likely took Jeff and watered him down to become this dimwit. Then wrote him turning Saul in with the Marion character and cast a famous actress to cover up the taxi guy recast and rewrite.

Really the show has regressed into a god damn morality play. Don't run scams kids and don't do things that get you in the game in the criminal world, because if Lalo Salamanca teleports into your apartment and kills the guy you were scamming, you're morally responsible for it, and from that moral bankruptcy things will cascade into you facilitating Walter White, and he is the worst of all. I never bought the moral fagging about Walter, but that is a different post entirely..

Yes this is sloppy how they are ending things so far. Especially when BB and El Camino were nothing like this at all. But there is one episode left so they could turn things around possibly. It will be hilarious If Jimmy goes down for Walt's empire while Jesse is on vacation in Alaska and Walt's family are all millionaires. And Kim gets to write a tell-all book about Jimmy the scumbag liar maniac con artist.

 

[Ulex]

I did not mind the second version of Jeff. The way he sped off away fromt the police getting in a car accident is buffoonish and out of character, and a desperate way to set up Gene interacting with Marion, which could have happened even without the Keystone Cop buffoonery.

I thought he did it on purpose to distract the cops so that Gene could escape? In theory the guy who's house he was in front of wouldn't even know he was robbed until it was too late but Gene fucked that up.

 

[murph]

I genuinely thought

Spoiler

Saul was gonna neck Carol Burnett

And I was so mad! I'm still mad.

One more and I am done. Done, I say.

 

[Magikoopa]

All this headcanon about Original Jeff having been some sort of stone cold criminal mastermind that could never have played the part Jeff does now is the gayest cope I've ever seen. We saw nothing about the character at all, and there's no reason they would have rewritten the part instead of just having the dude they've got now do whatever the first actor would have

 

[Fortunato Brown]

Time and time again Kim has been shown to not be able to keep up with Saul morally. She could play along with his little pranks, maybe instigate a few of her own, but she was incapable of giving as little of a shit as Saul did about their effects on people. His brother commits suicide by burning himself to death, and he shrugs it off and goes back to his cereal. She was obviously disturbed by this. Howard is murdered in front of the both of them, and they continue to shit on his memory to his widow just to tie up a loose end. She could follow through on the lie, but the weight of what they did was too much for her conscience. When she divorced him, Saul brushed it off just as easily as he brushed off Chuck and Howard. It bothered her.
She managed to forget about it until Saul, after associating with Walt's empire, calls her back and chews her out for being as much of an asshole as he is; this is after Saul is associated with a nursing home bombing, murder of federal agents, and the largest drug empire in American history. She has a criminal streak like Saul does, and she's not a complete moralfag white knight, what she DOESN'T want to be is as soulless as Saul is about the consequences of their actions.
This isn't preaching morality. In the end, Walt fucking won Breaking Bad. He got everything he wanted, secured his legacy with his family, with Jesse, and with the entire world. I still think Saul has hope too.

It's a shame Walter "won" Breaking Bad, if anything that's the one flaw with the show.

I think you're right that Saul has some hope. The moment of realization that he was genuinely threatening to kill Marion and him backing off, only for her to hit the Life Alert. I don't think there will ever be redemption, but I think the ending for him won't be totally bleak.

 

[Ulex]

All this headcanon about Original Jeff having been some sort of stone cold criminal mastermind that could never have played the part Jeff does now is the gayest cope I've ever seen. We saw nothing about the character at all, and there's no reason they would have rewritten the part instead of just having the dude they've got now do whatever the first actor would have

I agree, he came off as creepy and intimidating originally but the context (and excellent acting) allowed for it. Whether they knew what they were going to do with him or not is up for debate but I don't see this as evidence of anything. I can see Jeff #1 being a loser living with his mom, when you think about it his behavior with Gene was kind of childish "come on just say the heckin line I friggen love it I even have a Saul Goodman Funko Pop at home!".

I thought he did it on purpose to distract the cops so that Gene could escape? In theory the guy who's house he was in front of wouldn't even know he was robbed until it was too late but Gene fucked that up.

I listened to the phone call he has with Gene again, I am 100% sure he crashed on purpose.