Aug 9 2022 - Continuance on Grand Jury, defense filed motion for autism disorder deferred disposition

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I think working earnestly to preclude Chris from prison time disqualifies Heilberg from being lawful "good".

Lawful good looks like the public attorneys assigned to serial murderers and rapists who don't cross examine the prosecution's witnesses, call few to no witnesses for the defense, and put up the flimsiest arguments (usually something like "despite this mountain of evidence, maybe it's possible you could have a shred of doubt?").


If you're willing to go the extra mile and be like "Yeah, this is ALL due to the 'tism, can't hold the sweet summer child accountable, he knows not what he did" to try to get Chris fucking Chan off scotch free for raping his mom, when Chris obviously knows what he did was wrong, then you're probably more of a lawful neutral at best.

We as a society are worse off with Chris running around but I'm guessing it looks great for his career if Heilberg can actually pull off defending the indefensible, and that's probably what he's going for. The Jose Baez type
If you ever get into any sort of legal trouble, I hope that your attorney doesn't cross examine the prosecution's witnesses, calls few to no witnesses for the defense, and puts up the flimsiest of arguments.

"But I said they should only do so for serial murderers and rapists!"

Well, your lawyer did fuck all to defend you so in the eyes of the law, you are now a serial murdering rapist. Congratulations. Maybe then you'll appreciate why legal due process is a good thing and very important.
 
We as a society are worse off with Chris running around but I'm guessing it looks great for his career if Heilberg can actually pull off defending the indefensible, and that's probably what he's going for. The Jose Baez type
Dude he's fucking all but retired, he doesn't need a dime of this money or any boost to his reputation. He literally wrote the book defense lawyers use as a practice manual in the state. What boost to his reputation is he going to get?

You're a fucking retard.
If you ever get into any sort of legal trouble, I hope that your attorney doesn't cross examine the prosecution's witnesses, calls few to no witnesses for the defense, and puts up the flimsiest of arguments.
Can anyone offhand think of a single case where the defense lawyer played the tard card at the grand jury stage and it fucking worked?

That is not how it is supposed to work.
 
Dude he's fucking all but retired, he doesn't need a dime of this money or any boost to his reputation. He literally wrote the book defense lawyers use as a practice manual in the state. What boost to his reputation is he going to get?

You're a fucking retard.

I doubt he sought out this case to boost his reputation, but rather the judge sought out him because of his reputation. Once he is on the case, however, he does still have a reputation to uphold. If not for future clients, then at least for his legacy.
 
Chris at a tard home

Hygiene: won't care and/or make up excuses about it hope they don't spray you with the hose when you stink too much.

Chores: will sperg about how he's "a goddess and above such menial labor" and give the bucket a swift kick before blowing raspberries at the orderly

no porn: frankly it's hard to say, we know Chris was quite the porn junkie and spanked his monkey (albeit either humping pillows or rubbing it with a rag) so it's hard to say if he still cares about that sorta of thing. Barbussy hunt aside I think once he's back on his hrt regularly and if they make life in the group home miserable? He probably won't care all that much.
 
Alright I'm going to throw my hat in and share a little insight on the group home thing because I have a family member who has worked in that industry for 20+ years. I'll add some stuff that I didn't see get touched on, because I do think he's going to end up in a group home. Not sure the specifics of Virginia but I know a number of states use a system like this for group homes that aren't privately owned and operated or if they are, they're the kind that will take court orders and other types of patients that would normally be subject to scrutiny. Some of the more lax places (the kinds of places that would allow him a bit more freedom) won't take tards with sex crimes because the whole purpose of giving their residents freedom is the assurance that their tards will not be a danger to the public.

They will hold him in jail until a spot opens up if he is court ordered into a group home. In the event that it's a court order he won't be able to decide if he stays or goes, obviously. A little different from a conservatorship or ward of the state deal because the court order is either for a set amount of time or upon completion of whatever program they have going. The program would consist of him meeting goals, usually those aimed at teaching him independence and not reoffending.

In homes like these they have standards of behavior and living, which include hygiene and chores. The day is usually structured and gets less structured as residents complete phases of their treatment plan or whatever individual program has been created for them. This is where the no porn thing comes into play, because it's against the behavior standards.

The process of teaching independence may include him getting a job later on down the line if that's a part of his treatment plan. They could transition him to a more "halfway-house" style of living that could kick him back to the stricter program if he fucked it up. In some ways this whole group home thing is a lot worse than jail because jail is based more off of time served and a bit less on behavior. But these state mandated stays can be indefinite if a person isn't making progress towards improvement. Someone who works their program and meets goals can get out relatively quickly, but we know how he can be.

Chris thinks that a group home will be a step up from jail, but he has no idea what it's like and if he isn't motivated to get out he won't. It's a legal loophole that has been used for decades, similar to locking people in asylums for years and years.
Someone I had the displeasure of encountering ended up in a place like this via court order and has sat for at least seven years when he could've been out in two. Anyway, moving on.

Medication can also be part of a treatment plan, but all of that is heavily regulated by the psychiatrist and the support staff. The psych prescribes, the staff medicate and do mouth checks to make sure someone isn't squirrelling their pills. Some places will restrict bathroom usage after taking meds if someone has made it clear they're gonna try to puke up their meds or do anything suspicious after meds or meals.

Communications are monitored, hobbies are monitored, interests are usually limited to whatever is considered therapeutic, and all of this is legal because it's considered part of the treatment plan. They can also isolate him as a part of the treatment plan. People assume the asylums are gone but they've morphed into group homes. Some of these places are really deplorable, but they mask this by once again saying that what they're doing is part of a treatment plan.

I think he's earned it, though. I think he'll do the bare minimum to get enough privileges to be able to get some computer time, but the second he fucks up they take it all away and he's gotta work from the ground up. But he thinks it's the lesser of two evils.
having run a group home in MA, i can tell you those are some pretty high hopes, basically if a client comes and gets their meds to take (, keeps their head down and not piss everyone off, they will be fine. i had a client who thought i was the devil and he was god, he would shit everywhere, but he liked me because i was "the devil" he was loud but not really a jerk to people he only wanted to talk to people who were idk biblical figures.. i see Chris doing that on a way larger scale in a group home and screwing with the staff, that's gonna be a problem for him, because there is a code of conduct they have to mostly follow, or they will be thrown out/arrested.
 
I'm wondering if Chris ends up in a home, if it will be a home with other slow in the mind people that have done violent and sexual crimes that they could'nt put in a normal prison.
Over 20 years ago when I was hard up for a steady job, I put an application in at a place that I think was like that. I did'nt know it until I went in for the interview. The ad said "Awake overnight concilor." Or something like that.
At the interview I was told that as soon as I was hired, I'd get 5 weeks paid vacation. Not after 3 or 6 months, or a year. But as soon as I got hired. They also told me that if I took the job, I'd have to sign a contract saying I would stay at the job for a full year from my hire date. They offered me the job right at the interview. I declined, if they had to make you sign a contract to stay for a year, and give you 5 weeks off with pay right off the bat, then the job was pretty stressful.

Sorry if that was power leveling, just trying to give some perspective.
thats how i started working at places like that years ago.. you dodged a bullet
 
having run a group home in MA, i can tell you those are some pretty high hopes, basically if a client comes and gets their meds to take (, keeps their head down and not piss everyone off, they will be fine. i had a client who thought i was the devil and he was god, he would shit everywhere, but he liked me because i was "the devil" he was loud but not really a jerk to people he only wanted to talk to people who were idk biblical figures.. i see Chris doing that on a way larger scale in a group home and screwing with the staff, that's gonna be a problem for him, because there is a code of conduct they have to mostly follow, or they will be thrown out/arrested.
What are the laws like regarding arresting people in group homes? I can imagine its alot of red tape since they would seemingly get some level of immunity.
 
Chris at a tard home

Hygiene: won't care and/or make up excuses about it hope they don't spray you with the hose when you stink too much.

Chores: will sperg about how he's "a goddess and above such menial labor" and give the bucket a swift kick before blowing raspberries at the orderly

no porn: frankly it's hard to say, we know Chris was quite the porn junkie and spanked his monkey (albeit either humping pillows or rubbing it with a rag) so it's hard to say if he still cares about that sorta of thing. Barbussy hunt aside I think once he's back on his hrt regularly and if they make life in the group home miserable? He probably won't care all that much.
No porn is easy. The tard house staff will start adding Potassium Nitrate (AKA Saltpetre) into Chris’ diet.
 
Dude he's fucking all but retired, he doesn't need a dime of this money or any boost to his reputation. He literally wrote the book defense lawyers use as a practice manual in the state. What boost to his reputation is he going to get?
I still like the idea that David Heilberg, in the twilight of an esteemed career, decides to loosen up the bow tie and become the premier attorney for autistic tranny motherfuckers. Starts making cheap, gaudy commercials that run midday on basic cable:

“Is true love illegal in your state? Were you persecuted by the system for your healing, soul bonding powers? Are you a cartoon messiah? Call David Heilberg NOW! Call 1-800-MOM-TIME. Together, we’ll put the system on trial!”
 
Do you guys think Heilberg could have gotten Elliot Rodger or Randy Stair lenient treatment? Elliot at least was formally diagnosed with autism and Randy probably had some kind of major depressive disorder plus some potential gender dysphoria (though more honestly he was some otherkin shit).
 
Can anyone offhand think of a single case where the defense lawyer played the tard card at the grand jury stage and it fucking worked?

That is not how it is supposed to work.
I would be more surprised at what transpired, but after how Chris didn't get off on time served like everyone expected, I think that this case is going to have many more twists and turns that nobody will see coming. Everything to do with Chris in general always seems to defy the odds.

I doubt he sought out this case to boost his reputation, but rather the judge sought out him because of his reputation. Once he is on the case, however, he does still have a reputation to uphold. If not for future clients, then at least for his legacy.
I think this is the most likely explanation of how Chris was assigned such a prominent lawyer. The judge knew that it was going to be a fucking legal mess and media circus, and needed somebody competent for the defense.

Do you guys think Heilberg could have gotten Elliot Rodger or Randy Stair lenient treatment? Elliot at least was formally diagnosed with autism and Randy probably had some kind of major depressive disorder plus some potential gender dysphoria (though more honestly he was some otherkin shit).
Maybe lol, after the shit he pulled with the grand jury? I might have to retract my claim that Heilberg isn't a miracle worker.
 
I doubt he sought out this case to boost his reputation, but rather the judge sought out him because of his reputation. Once he is on the case, however, he does still have a reputation to uphold. If not for future clients, then at least for his legacy.
And he's gone above and beyond that at even the preliminary stage. My reasoning may be entirely inferential, but he seems to be personally invested in the case on some moral level, because this isn't just going through the motions.

Contrary to Chris's whining, this guy does have his interests at heart.
 
What are the laws like regarding arresting people in group homes? I can imagine its alot of red tape since they would seemingly get some level of immunity.
they honestly don't get much, the "company you work for" makes you call higher managers before you call the cops for anything not life threatening, but they are usually willing to give the client a 2nd chance if he didn't really hurt anyone, i got smashed in the face with a metal door at one point and my boss gave me some beer money and a day off to let it go.. and another time someone slammed my arm in a door (didnt hurt much) and my boss made me press assault charges. so its basically normal laws, but when you work there the manager or head office will decide what you have to do.
 
I doubt he sought out this case to boost his reputation, but rather the judge sought out him because of his reputation. Once he is on the case, however, he does still have a reputation to uphold. If not for future clients, then at least for his legacy.
You are more of an expert than I am but don't a lot of places use a rolling list of defense attorneys instead of having a Public Defenders office? Is it possible he was just assigned to Chris by a luck of the draw?
 
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And he's gone above and beyond that at even the preliminary stage. My reasoning may be entirely inferential, but he seems to be personally invested in the case on some moral level, because this isn't just going through the motions.

Contrary to Chris's whining, this guy does have his interests at heart.
Plot twist: Heilberg had a Oedipus complex himself, sees a kindred spirit in Chris. Wins the case against all odds. Visits his late mother’s grave:
“Well, Ethel, that one was for us, baby..”
Lays down a single red rose.
 
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