I hate pro-bughive channels

[Markass the Worst]

Because on the cusp of the worst recession in almost a century, what the world truly needs is £100 BILLION (that's $122 billion) poured into a rail system that will likely never pull an even break after a century of usage. They whine when a few million is spent on a freeway addition/modification, but will happily champion ridiculous figures for public transport in order to fuel their pseudo-altruistic "greater good".

Yeah, I saw that video in my feed and immediately knew the urbanist bugmen fucks would be slobbering all over it (the railway project, not the video).

Induced demand is an urbanist concept that claims that if you build a road (and only roads, they never apply this idea to housing or transit), then the pure fact that the road now exists will attract more people to use it, and the road will become congested again.

God, I almost forgot about that. Induced demand is one of the worst arguments they make and it's akin to trannies repeating stuff about how a woman is a person who identifies as a woman. They furthermore have the staggering inability to actually come up with something new, like trannies always yelling Voldemort or bringing up The Handmaiden's Tale, "induced demand" doesn't get any better the more you repeat it.

Another thing urbanists like to do is pretend to be libertarians and advocate for road users and suburban residents to pay the “true cost” of their lifestyle. Their economic analysis of the cost of roads and suburbs is completely wrong and based off of the feelings-based blogposts of an urbanist “economist” called Charles Marohn, better known as Strong Towns (Marohn is a hypocrite who lives in a single-family home in a car-dependent town that should be bankrupt according to his ideology, but isn’t). Asking an urbanist to cite actual numbers and not quote/paraphrase Chuck is like pulling teeth. I’ve posted in detail about the numbers before in this thread/the other similar threads here, but to summarize, infrastructure is a small portion of most suburban cities’ budgets and is dwarfed by the amount spent on schools and other services (a fact trivially verified by looking at a property tax bill or city budget), not a single suburban city in the entire history of the suburb has gone bankrupt due the cost of sprawl, and road infrastructure is nearly entirely paid by user fees while transit is nearly entirely paid by general taxpayer funds (including diversions from road user fees like the gas tax).

Strong Towns is the worst offender in this regard, only made worse because every single urbanist will always bring out the "your suburbs are crumbling to dust" line as if any of it is true (eerily reminiscent of predictions that the sea level would rise immensely by like 2010). Not Just Bikes not only cites this Strong Towns argument but has made several videos about Strong Towns themselves so you know there are a ton of people with this brain damaged take kicking about in them. I'm pretty sure that Strong Towns are also the originator of the really fucking stupid "stroad" term that's basically used to describe roads they don't like (the actual definition is based on some sort of distinction between "streets" and "roads" but it doesn't make any fucking sense and you know they just wanted a word to insult the roads people use).

 

[Montalbane]

Little tale from walkable Italy.
Bologna is a city that actively punishes car and is filled with niggers, commies and criminals.
The cities around are now Salò 2 : fascist bogaloo because of that fact alone.
The reason why people like adam (what is it with that name and being a smug youtube cuck?) Want you stuck in a city is so thst you can be at the mercy of their autistic and unfeasible superiah futah.

 

[PipTheAlchemist]

superiah futah.

Superior futa?

 

[Chuck McGill]

Brilliant start!
There's quite a bit I can add as well:

• They will NEVER critique or bring up badly designed public transport systems. You will never hear of how those who ride the Japanese subway are packed like sardines, with groping becoming such an epidemic that women often get their own cars. You won't hear of how the NY public transport system has become a mobile lawless wasteland where you're better off walking. You also won't hear of that clusterfuck I mentioned on the previous page, where the Munich rail system dominates most of the city, cutting its own inter-city border with little in the way of bypasses for both foot and wheeled traffic.
• They are always in favour of pouring more money down the drain for public transport initiatives because of "muh long term benefits". They have not learned their lesson from the Brandenburg airport fiasco, and I recently got this video in my recommended:

Because on the cusp of the worst recession in almost a century, what the world truly needs is £100 BILLION (that's $122 billion) poured into a rail system that will likely never pull an even break after a century of usage. They whine when a few million is spent on a freeway addition/modification, but will happily champion ridiculous figures for public transport in order to fuel their pseudo-altruistic "greater good".

If I had to offer a psychological analysis, their anti-car/pro-public transport views are another symptom of their general Peter Pan syndrome. Driving a car is viewed as something an adult does, and they want no part of it. This generation looks like it will be defined by the notion of "fuck the rules, I can make reality whatever I want and be a responsibility-less child forever" which is why they defend troonism so staunchly (and why many of them are troons, along with commies and furfags).

There's also some roots in rebellion against their parents. Most of these people very likely grew up in suburbia and had troubles making friends. There is something to be said for the alienation and the breakdown of communities but people can make communities just fine in suburbia if they're properly motivated. It's just that all of the institutions that would be a gathering point for said communities such as the church are being tossed by the wayside. And not to get too boomeresque but you just have more options nowadays if you want to stay in. If the only options I had were 3 channels on TV that cut off after 11 and the radio, I'd probably go outside more too.

Alao they see pictures of European vistas with narrow streets and ancient buildings and assume all of Europe is just like that. And with the benefit of distance they assume that they'll have all their American suburban amenities but transplanted into a prettier environment. They don't realize that it will entail things like not having AC, watching for pickpockets and not having any shop in driving distance available to you. I spent a year or so without a car and I lived across the street from a grocery store at the time. I cannot overstate how much extra effort it took to get my groceries that relatively short distance.

 

[Becky McDonald]

Generally, most of their arguments are those of a petulant child, and this is something I'll repeat if there's an actual thread made specializing in these fucktards.

If you're not rich enough to live in a situation where everything is handed to you on a silver platter, you've got two choices in this life:

• Suck it up, man the fuck up and learn to drive, even if it's not a skill you need right now
• Keep bitching about "SCAWWY" cars and live in a combination of fear and power fantasy

A lot of people, including some in this thread, bitch about certain stretches of American freeway being so wide, but they never stop to question why it happened. They end up lying to themselves to affirm their pre-existing beliefs.

Imagine you have a small restaurant that's a massive success, and this causes people to queue up way beyond the doors due to the restaurant's size. So you expand, knock down a wall, and take over the adjacent property to serve more customers, but the lines don't disappear. In fact, they're the same length, but twice as wide. Now, according to one of these retards, this means expanding your restaurant was a futile effort that ultimately failed since if it was a success, there wouldn't be any more lines, completely ignoring the fact more people are being served AND more people are interested in buying food and will happily wait in line instead of making something at home or ordering something on Uber Eats. And instead of focusing on why people are less likely to cook things at home or order from Uber Eats, you just make reams of pseudo-intellectual garbage criticising a "restaurant-dependent" society.

They're exactly like your average modern leftist is on many issues in the sense that most of the government is writing or enacting laws that benefit them, all the while complaining that the laws they're making aren't radical enough for their tastes.

 

[Return of the Freaker]

Generally, most of their arguments are those of a petulant child, and this is something I'll repeat if there's an actual thread made specializing in these fucktards.

If you're not rich enough to live in a situation where everything is handed to you on a silver platter, you've got two choices in this life:

• Suck it up, man the fuck up and learn to drive, even if it's not a skill you need right now
• Keep bitching about "SCAWWY" cars and live in a combination of fear and power fantasy

A lot of people, including some in this thread, bitch about certain stretches of American freeway being so wide, but they never stop to question why it happened. They end up lying to themselves to affirm their pre-existing beliefs.

Imagine you have a small restaurant that's a massive success, and this causes people to queue up way beyond the doors due to the restaurant's size. So you expand, knock down a wall, and take over the adjacent property to serve more customers, but the lines don't disappear. In fact, they're the same length, but twice as wide. Now, according to one of these retards, this means expanding your restaurant was a futile effort that ultimately failed since if it was a success, there wouldn't be any more lines, completely ignoring the fact more people are being served AND more people are interested in buying food and will happily wait in line instead of making something at home or ordering something on Uber Eats. And instead of focusing on why people are less likely to cook things at home or order from Uber Eats, you just make reams of pseudo-intellectual garbage criticising a "restaurant-dependent" society.

They're exactly like your average modern leftist is on many issues in the sense that most of the government is writing or enacting laws that benefit them, all the while complaining that the laws they're making aren't radical enough for their tastes.

More like traffic to the restaurant necessitated adding left turn lanes and maybe median barriers. Then some Czech faggot came by and went REEEEEE MUH STROADS

 

[JudgementKazzy]

Little tale from walkable Italy.
Bologna is a city that actively punishes car and is filled with niggers, commies and criminals.
The cities around are now Salò 2 : fascist bogaloo because of that fact alone.
The reason why people like adam (what is it with that name and being a smug youtube cuck?) Want you stuck in a city is so thst you can be at the mercy of their autistic and unfeasible superiah futah.

I’ve had the experience of riding Trenitalia during my travels in Italy. It was actually ok, but I got to ask you this: does anyone actually fucking take trains cross country in Italy? When I was in Milano Centrale, I saw some fucking trains that were heading to Bari, Lecce, and even Taranto. To me it seems highly fucking illogical because it seems like I could just fly to those places for a similar price and shorter wait time.

 

[Montalbane]

I’ve had the experience of riding Trenitalia during my travels in Italy. It was actually ok, but I got to ask you this: does anyone actually fucking take trains cross country in Italy? When I was in Milano Centrale, I saw some fucking trains that were heading to Bari, Lecce, and even Taranto. To me it seems highly fucking illogical because it seems like I could just fly to those places for a similar price and shorter wait time.

AHAHAHAHAHA YOU FOOL
YOU THINK YOU CAN FLY?
NIGGER THOSE PLANES ARE GETTING PRICE GOUGED TO SHIT.
YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND ITS 20 EUROS TO GET TO CATANIA YOU GO AND MAKE COFFEE GET BACK INTO THE SITE AND THE FLIGHT IS NOW 200 PER SEAT.

No but really train is actually somewhat more efficient.
Italo offers some good deal and they are relatively fast.
Like 4 hours to get to naples from bologna.
Yes plane could be one hour or less but eh italian airways are pretty sclerotic.

T. Someone who actually uses train in Italy.
Cars are better of course due to the freedom of movement they give you.
But trains can be lifesavers,especially if you need to reach places like bologna where you get punished for having the gall of going there by car.

 

[The Mass Shooter Ron Soye]

We're past the point where we can have a decent amount of country side if you think it is possible for everyone to be there.

1. Support megalopolises and arcologies like The Line.
2. 90% of people crowd into them.
3. Enjoy the countryside with or without your Starlink.

Now I will read the other 13 pages of the thread.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

AHAHAHAHAHA YOU FOOL
YOU THINK YOU CAN FLY?
NIGGER THOSE PLANES ARE GETTING PRICE GOUGED TO SHIT.
YOU WAKE UP IN THE MORNING AND ITS 20 EUROS TO GET TO CATANIA YOU GO AND MAKE COFFEE GET BACK INTO THE SITE AND THE FLIGHT IS NOW 200 PER SEAT.

No but really train is actually somewhat more efficient.
Italo offers some good deal and they are relatively fast.
Like 4 hours to get to naples from bologna.
Yes plane could be one hour or less but eh italian airways are pretty sclerotic.

T. Someone who actually uses train in Italy.
Cars are better of course due to the freedom of movement they give you.
But trains can be lifesavers,especially if you need to reach places like bologna where you get punished for having the gall of going there by car.

Part of the reason people have to walk around in some old cities in Europe, Eastern US, or LATAM is because msny of the older cities were built before cars existed. One of my minor pet peeves is how these channels complain about a lack of muh central planning when many of these old cities were not centrally planned at all and the streets are chaotic and small as fuck.

 

[Montalbane]

Part of the reason people have to walk around in some old cities in Europe, Eastern US, or LATAM is because msny of the older cities were built before cars existed. One of my minor pet peeves is how these channels complain about a lack of muh central planning when many of these old cities were not centrally planned at all and the streets are chaotic and small as fuck.

I don't mind the walking or biking per se.
Bologna was a capital of the holy roman empire it is stunning to see.
Problem is some q4th century manor getting torn down and replaced with another hovel for niggers and commie who will promptly vandalize everything in sight ,while the cost of that has to be shared on an entire province despite the fact that commie municipalities are quickly turning into economical black holes of zombie companies and pro eu noncery.

Also the castrum is still the optimal planning idea for a town fight me about it.

 

[Corpun]

double posting from the public transportation thread

everyones favorite bike man is back with a bike that has storage in it and can be used to transport people if need be
what do we do now carbros

How is that safer and better for kids or better for storage. You can probably fit more stuff in a clown car than that locker taped to the front of a bike. If your kids are bored play I Spy or some shit with them while driving, they need air, crank the windows down.

NJB must have never ridden in a car as a kid, or if he did he has selectively blocked all memories of riding in one.

Just saw this in the Keffals thread, NJB is a lolcow defender confirmed:
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Figures that a bugman would exhibit bugman behaviour in other aspects outside of personal transport.

Still not as retarded as that Czech moron giving incredibly dumb takes on the Ukraine war.

Peter Pan syndrome.

Never heard of this but I think it describes all bugmen/consumer types. They all obsess iver infantile shit, collect toys, and rent instead of working to buy a house and be a homeowner.

I think there is a second more disgusting angle to car hatred though. Cars represent freedom essentially, so long as you can afford gas and maintain it. Removing cars from the populace or making them impossible to maintain basically boxes people and and gives the state control over them. These people either personally or indirectly hate that freedom cars give.

 

[male pattern malding]

I think there is a second more disgusting angle to car hatred though. Cars represent freedom essentially, so long as you can afford gas and maintain it. Removing cars from the populace or making them impossible to maintain basically boxes people and and gives the state control over them. These people either personally or indirectly hate that freedom cars give.

I think it's more that they want the freedom that comes from having a car, without needing to actually own a car or know how to drive. Which is a complete pipe-dream of course.

I live in a fairly bughive-y location - small/medium town so ~everything is within reasonable walking distance, well-maintained sidewalks and bike paths, e-bike rentals, decent public transport. I quite like it actually - I enjoy walking so I appreciate having the option to get whereever I'm going on foot if I feel like it.

Even so, most people who live here... still have cars. Because it doesn't matter how walkable the area is, there's just nothing that beats a car when you need to transport something heavy, or multiple people, or when the weather's shite. That bike-cart thing is ridiculous cope.

And obviously in terms of public transport, what works for a town of 50,000 isn't necessarily going to work for a city of 5 million or a dispersed village of 5 households scattered over 10 square kilometers. The idea that it needs to be possible to live in the remotest rural area without being severely inconvenienced by the lack of a personal vehicle just seems fundamentally nonsensical to me. Distance can't be rendered irrelevant by policy.

 

[IAmNotAlpharius]

I think it's more that they want the freedom that comes from having a car, without needing to actually own a car or know how to drive. Which is a complete pipe-dream of course.

I live in a fairly bughive-y location - small/medium town so ~everything is within reasonable walking distance, well-maintained sidewalks and bike paths, e-bike rentals, decent public transport. I quite like it actually - I enjoy walking so I appreciate having the option to get whereever I'm going on foot if I feel like it.

Even so, most people who live here... still have cars. Because it doesn't matter how walkable the area is, there's just nothing that beats a car when you need to transport something heavy, or multiple people, or when the weather's shite. That bike-cart thing is ridiculous cope.

And obviously in terms of public transport, what works for a town of 50,000 isn't necessarily going to work for a city of 5 million or a dispersed village of 5 households scattered over 10 square kilometers. The idea that it needs to be possible to live in the remotest rural area without being severely inconvenienced by the lack of a personal vehicle just seems fundamentally nonsensical to me. Distance can't be rendered irrelevant by policy.

What’s funny is I’m willing to bet a lot of college towns in small town America ie the flyover states have exactly what these assholes are whining about. The problem is that it’s in small town America. And that’s where the chuds are.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

The secret desire of a soy: be Borg IRL?

(Borg even have those regenerative pods)

 

[UmQasaan]

Cars represent freedom essentially

Being able to use a car if you want to represents freedom. Being beholden to car-centric infrastructure is not.

 

[Duke Nukem]

The secret desire of a soy: be Borg IRL?

(Borg even have those regenerative pods)

Be Borg IRL *and* make everyone else Borg as well. They even have a similar ideology.

Being able to use a car if you want to represents freedom. Being beholden to car-centric infrastructure is not.

If you have a car and you're pissed about "muh infrastructure" you do know that off-road tires and amenities exist, right?

There, infrastructure is no object now.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

Be Borg IRL *and* make everyone else Borg as well. They even have a similar ideology.

The Borg of Star Trek are convinced that they assimilate to "improve quality of life" for the assimilated.

The woke think that grifting the non-woke into wokeism is "progress", whether the non-woke like it or not.

 

[Duke Nukem]

The Borg of Star Trek are convinced that they assimilate to "improve quality of life" for the assimilated.

The woke think that grifting the non-woke into wokeism is "progress", whether the non-woke like it or not.

It's been true of any utopian ideology, whether communism or wokeism or whatever. For your ideology to "work" all others must be eliminated at all costs.

At least the Borg won't lie to you and steal your money, as far as I know.

 

[ToroidalBoat]

It's been true of any utopian ideology, whether communism or wokeism or whatever.

From commies to SJWs, all the "utopian" movements I've heard of are always so cult-like.