Better Call Saul

It's almost over... I have no idea what's going to happen in the finale. Gonna post some Chuck quotes towards/about Jimmy.
  • "I know you. I know what you were, what you are. People don't change."
  • [You are such an asshole]. "Why? For pointing out that her one mistake was believing in you?"
  • “I have to believe that you'll face those consequences and you'll come out the other side a better man.”
  • “I don't doubt that your emotions are real. But what's the point of all the sad faces and the gnashing of teeth? If you're not going to change your behavior...”
  • “My brother is not a bad person. He has a good heart. It's just he can't help himself. And everyone's left picking up the pieces.”
  • “My evidence? My evidence is knowing my brother for his entire life.”
  • “'Perspective.' You want perspective? I'll give you mine. You're my brother, and I love you, but you're like an alcoholic who refuses to admit he's got a problem. Now someone's given you the keys to the school bus and I am not going to let you drive it off a cliff.”
  • “This is an opportunity. That's why I'm doing this, not to punish you. To show you – truly show you – that you have to make a change before it's too late. Before you destroy yourself, or someone else. And I believe you can change. You'll find your path. And when you're ready, I will be there to help you walk that path.”
  • "Why don't you skip the whole exercise? In the end, you're going to hurt everyone around you. You can't help it. So stop apologizing and accept it."
  • "I AM NOT CRAZY!! I'm not crazy. I know he swapped those numbers! I knew it was 1216. One after Magna Carta. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He - he covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the copy shop to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That billboard! Are you telling me that a man just happens to fall like that? No! He orchestrated it! Jimmy! He defecated through a sunroof! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own firm! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Jimmy! Couldn't be precious Jimmy! Stealing them blind! And he gets to be a lawyer? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you - you have to stop him!"
 
I think Jimmy will end up in prison but it will be a pretty comfy thing for him. He will be respected and protected by other inmates because he's Saul Goodman. I expect a montage of him running various scams by mail and phone, consulting paying prisoners on legal stuff and just having a good ol' time. All in full color and with BCS music theme playing.
 
I think prison might be the best thing that could happen to Jimmy. As Gene he is always on the lookout for people who know him, super jumpy, unhappy, yearning for the past. In prison he just gets to be Saul again. In a way he'll finally be at peace once he can just pull his scams and schemes with nothing else holding him back. True pottery, he will be free once he is locked away
 
Probably won't be in the final episode if I could guess but I wish we could have seen the start of Chuck's mental illness.

At first I thought it was just Jimmy becoming a lawyer but in Winner we see he's still going to work and out for drinks after Jimmy passes the bar. So wtf happened?
The divorce.

Remember the bit with Jimmy and Chuck desperately trying to plug everything back in before Rebecca comes around?
 
It's almost over... I have no idea what's going to happen in the finale. Gonna post some Chuck quotes towards/about Jimmy.
  • "I know you. I know what you were, what you are. People don't change."
  • [You are such an asshole]. "Why? For pointing out that her one mistake was believing in you?"
  • “I have to believe that you'll face those consequences and you'll come out the other side a better man.”
  • “I don't doubt that your emotions are real. But what's the point of all the sad faces and the gnashing of teeth? If you're not going to change your behavior...”
  • “My brother is not a bad person. He has a good heart. It's just he can't help himself. And everyone's left picking up the pieces.”
  • “My evidence? My evidence is knowing my brother for his entire life.”
  • “'Perspective.' You want perspective? I'll give you mine. You're my brother, and I love you, but you're like an alcoholic who refuses to admit he's got a problem. Now someone's given you the keys to the school bus and I am not going to let you drive it off a cliff.”
  • “This is an opportunity. That's why I'm doing this, not to punish you. To show you – truly show you – that you have to make a change before it's too late. Before you destroy yourself, or someone else. And I believe you can change. You'll find your path. And when you're ready, I will be there to help you walk that path.”
  • "Why don't you skip the whole exercise? In the end, you're going to hurt everyone around you. You can't help it. So stop apologizing and accept it."
  • "I AM NOT CRAZY!! I'm not crazy. I know he swapped those numbers! I knew it was 1216. One after Magna Carta. As if I could ever make such a mistake. Never. Never! I just - I just couldn't prove it. He - he covered his tracks, he got that idiot at the copy shop to lie for him. You think this is something? You think this is bad? This? This chicanery? He's done worse. That billboard! Are you telling me that a man just happens to fall like that? No! He orchestrated it! Jimmy! He defecated through a sunroof! And I saved him! And I shouldn't have. I took him into my own firm! What was I thinking? He'll never change. He'll never change! Ever since he was 9, always the same! Couldn't keep his hands out of the cash drawer! But not our Jimmy! Couldn't be precious Jimmy! Stealing them blind! And he gets to be a lawyer? What a sick joke! I should've stopped him when I had the chance! And you - you have to stop him!"

The question that will rattle in my mind after the show is done:

Did Chuck's assuming the worst of Jimmy create Saul Goodman or was he right all along and Saul Goodman was inevitable?
 
The show will end with Saul getting arrested, sits in his cell waiting for the tial something drastic will happen:

A chimp got into the armoury and has taken a machinegun.
Saul will remember what chuck told him, and will ask the guards to give him back his law degree, and when he finaly does, he runs up to the chimp and beats the ever loving shit out of it.
Thus making Saul more dangerous then a chimp with a machinegun.
Kim will see this, make out with him on top of the chimp, get a full pardon.
When he finaly drives off into the sunset he will pass the camera, put on his sunglasses and say: "remember; better call saul"

After the credits Howard will emerge out of the ground after 6 years digging trough the dirt living of Lalo's corpse carefuly rationing it for that long.
 
Did Chuck's assuming the worst of Jimmy create Saul Goodman or was he right all along and Saul Goodman was inevitable?
The show is pretty clear about this. Howard says no one knew Jimmy better than Chuck. Kim says that Jimmy is a massive negative influence on her and they need to separate. Jimmy was pulling scams in Chicago without Chuck there. Jimmy is a basically scumbag as a lawyer from day one until becoming Gene. His first major case we see is arranging for car accidents to scam a criminal couple into hiring him so he can raise his profile as a lawyer and stop doing public defender work because the pay is low. He goes after Davis and Main because he cannot help himself. He lies to the bar association to get reinstated. Represents cartel leaders and hitters. Squat cobbler and other false evidence.

With that in mind the ending will probably address this. Jimmy gets arrested. Brought back to ABQ or arrested in ABQ if he flees there. Has to appear in court as James McGill. Kim sworn in as lawyer again. Represents Jimmy or advises him legally. Jimmy jailed. Kim and Jimmy say goodbye as his jail sentence is lengthy and Kim moves back to Florida without him. Kim avoids jail though. Jimmy goes to prison and immediately transforms into Saul and becomes like Andy Dufresne of Shawshank. Helping prisoners with legal issues. Telling stories of cartel shootouts. Bribing guards.

Probably Jimmy's defense in court will parallel his defense in his bar hearing. With the sob stories and grand speeches. And the audience will have to decide was he scamming the jury or telling the truth? Maybe they will immediately explain it like the did with the bar hearing where Jimmy tells Kim he just suckered those idiots. Either way gets jail. Kim and Jimmy depart one last time.
 
The question that will rattle in my mind after the show is done:

Did Chuck's assuming the worst of Jimmy create Saul Goodman or was he right all along and Saul Goodman was inevitable?
Eh, I think if Chuck were still alive that would be a more pressing question, but since Chuck's died, Jimmy's only gotten worse and worse. Did his relationship with Chuck shape him? No doubt, he's Jimmy's brother. But in the end, Jimmy's an adult and was an adult when he found out what Chuck thought about him. No doubt it would sting like hell, but Jimmy didn't need to take that as liscense to do whatever the hell he wanted.

I think Jimmy is similar to Walter, both have nobility in them, but both are too willing to justify getting down in the muck and ruining themselves. Jimmy though is more crafty and prudent than Walter, which is why he's able to get away and become Gene in the first place, and why he might land on his feet (relatively) in the finale.
 
Probably won't be in the final episode if I could guess but I wish we could have seen the start of Chuck's mental illness.

At first I thought it was just Jimmy becoming a lawyer but in Winner we see he's still going to work and out for drinks after Jimmy passes the bar. So wtf happened?
I've read in a few places that Chuck is going to appear in the last episode. Maybe will will get some answers to those questions.
 
I'm seriously pondering the notion that this might be the last tv drama I get invested in. It's a bit of a dying medium. I haven't seen a streamsoomer product I've liked, I didn't even care for El Camino.
I agree, this is it for me. I don’t think they could get away with starting BCS in 2022. If they hypothetically rebooted BCS this year, Kim would be played by Lizzo.
I definitely like more of the subplots in Better Call Saul. Breaking Bad had things like Ted and Marie and whatnot that just weren't very interesting.
I liked those subplots because Ted is the typical born on third base and thinks he hit a triple loser son of a family business owner. Ted buying a Mercedes instead of the IRS back taxes was perfectly frustrating in a way that you could imagine a retard like Ted pulling. Same goes for slipping on a rug and breaking his neck.

Marie like Skyler showed just how much pains in the ass suburban Karens could be to their husbands. It just highlighted the complications that eventually led to everything unraveling.

BCS by comparison had to use a tighter knit format or else it wouldn’t be very effective of a prequel series.
Find it funny some of the comments about Kim's confession, she still lies/covers that she's been in touch with Jimmy when speaking to Howard's ex and pretty much explains how they've gotten away with it and there's no actual consequences for her to achieve her redemption.

None of the main characters in either BB or BCS are "good", all of them are willing to compromise themselves in the aim to get their perceived deserved outcomes, just a case of comparing those that went further than the others as to who is worse.
I agree. The only reason why Kim is doing that confession is to shake up her life from fretting over using Miracle Whip in potato salad. She gave the game away to Howard’s widow: she didn’t expect to get any criminal charges and although the widow said she could sue Kim and likely win, she didn’t appear to be interested in going through it. Kim didn’t really give a fuck about clearing her conscience, she just wanted to do something risky…for fun. She fell back into old habits after talking to Gene.
Regardless, I still think the show is great and can't wait for the last episode. I'm very curious as to what Saul's fate is gonna be, and hope Vince and Peter doesn't disappoint.
My track record for predictions is shit but it would be very interesting if it was something that Chuck said that wound up happening. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, this season has several little “Ghost of Chuck” moments, would be crazy to leave that behind for the final episode.
 
There is some interesting commentary here, and some other commentary I think is whack.

I still think what Gene has done since the end of Episode 11 is out of character. It also seems so out of character for him to let the mask down so far with Marion, tipping his hand re knowledge regarding the differences in the bond system in Albuquerque and Nebraska.
Jeff driving full blast into a park car really pulls things out of character and I am no longer buying the actor switch they did.

I appreciate this thread because reddit, as reddit is apt to do, is going off the rails with the virtue signaling, how Better Call Saul fans are not nearly as 'breaking" bad fans, even bringing up "Skyler can do not wrong" because misogyny is evil karma harvesting posts (see attachments) I am hoping that is not a fair sample of the Better Call Saul audience, but to the extent it is, people are really buying into the moral fagging that Vince Gilligan and the writers are dishing out. He even said in the podcast that the subtext derives from the "catholic guilt" of his upbringing, something that has been the nexus of a lot of self-destructive behavior.

Of course it is traumatic for a ranking member of the Mexican drug cartel to "teleport" into one's home, murdering a former colleague, someone you know well in cold blood. I just do not see the foreseeability or causation in play with Howard's murder by *LALO* (not Kim or Jimmy) for Kim to rationally take such blame morally upon herself, and in the process destroy herself and effectively abandon the man she professed to have loved.

We will see how it ends, but the last episode has left me unimpressed. I think VInce Gilligan wants to "make an example" ouf Kim and Jimmy, in a way he wanted to with Walter White but dared not do, as he has talked about characters "getting what they deserve." In other words, six or seven years of following this show have been reduced to a crude morality play.
 

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I still think what Gene has done since the end of Episode 11 is out of character. It also seems so out of character for him to let the mask down so far with Marion, tipping his hand re knowledge regarding the differences in the bond system in Albuquerque and Nebraska.
Gene is least cautious version of Jimmy. Which makes no sense because he is the most in danger version of Jimmy. He takes extreme risks which are not necessary. Like returning to the house to rob a guy who has had time for the pills to wear off and wake up and catch him. Every hour they delayed breaking into the house again is another hour for cancer man to wake up after the roofies have worn off. Yet Gene does it anyways. Terrible writing. And he steals watches instead of just photoing the IDs which tips off cancer man that he has been robbed. He is written like a total amateur thief and not some professional con-artist.

They wrote in the stolen watches to parallel his fake watch scam he pulled in Chicago. It was forced writing to be artistic. The kind of stuff reddit fags masturbate over. Bravo Vince. Sopranos this show is not.

The dumbest risk though is working in a crowded mall two weeks into being on the FBI's most wanted. And facing hundreds of customers five or six days a week when your face is on the news every night. The timeline of Gene is a mess. He gets recognized as Saul in literally two weeks after Walt kills the Nazis. What a dope. He can't lay low or work night shift as a janitor for even two weeks?
I think VInce Gilligan wants to "make an example" ouf Kim and Jimmy, in a way he wanted to with Walter White but dared not do, as he has talked about characters "getting what they deserve." In other words, six or seven years of following this show have been reduced to a crude morality play.
Vince Gillian knows the ending of Breaking Bad made Walt into a hero for the reddit fags that liked the show. They can soy face over Walt walking away from explosions and machine gunning people and rescuing Jesse and killing Nazis over and over. Like Walt is Rambo or something. Walt was supposed to go from Mr. Rogers to Scarface. But really was more like Peter Parker into the Terminator. So that reddit fans could jackoff to the idea that a wimpy weakling loser like themselves can become a "Heisenberg" one day. That all nerds have an alpha male gangster inside of them. Like how adults watch Harry Potter or Batman and mentally imagine themselves as heroes and attending Hogwarts and being wizards. That secretly the people who read reddit and watch cartoons could morph into a Navy SEAL in under a year (while battling cancer too). The show became nerd fantasy for creeps and weirdos.

The idea that people got what they deserved in the BB universe is hilarious when you look at Andrea, Drew Sharp, Hank and Gomez, and even the airline crash victims. Yet Walt's family are millionaires and Jesse lives in his choice location. Both due to their drug money. There are so many innocent people that are hurt or destroyed during BB alone for various reasons. Not to mention the onslaught of meth addiction that Walt's blue meth causes. The ending is chaotic in terms of karma.

I doubt that Vince makes an example out of both Kim and Jimmy. It will likely be just Jimmy with Kim possibly even getting her law degree back. Some are speculating that the diamonds are given to Kim to start her law practice which would parallel Skyler getting Walt's Gray Matter money to restart her life.
 
There is some interesting commentary here, and some other commentary I think is whack.

I still think what Gene has done since the end of Episode 11 is out of character. It also seems so out of character for him to let the mask down so far with Marion, tipping his hand re knowledge regarding the differences in the bond system in Albuquerque and Nebraska.
Jeff driving full blast into a park car really pulls things out of character and I am no longer buying the actor switch they did.

I appreciate this thread because reddit, as reddit is apt to do, is going off the rails with the virtue signaling, how Better Call Saul fans are not nearly as 'breaking" bad fans, even bringing up "Skyler can do not wrong" because misogyny is evil karma harvesting posts (see attachments) I am hoping that is not a fair sample of the Better Call Saul audience, but to the extent it is, people are really buying into the moral fagging that Vince Gilligan and the writers are dishing out. He even said in the podcast that the subtext derives from the "catholic guilt" of his upbringing, something that has been the nexus of a lot of self-destructive behavior.

Of course it is traumatic for a ranking member of the Mexican drug cartel to "teleport" into one's home, murdering a former colleague, someone you know well in cold blood. I just do not see the foreseeability or causation in play with Howard's murder by *LALO* (not Kim or Jimmy) for Kim to rationally take such blame morally upon herself, and in the process destroy herself and effectively abandon the man she professed to have loved.

We will see how it ends, but the last episode has left me unimpressed. I think VInce Gilligan wants to "make an example" ouf Kim and Jimmy, in a way he wanted to with Walter White but dared not do, as he has talked about characters "getting what they deserve." In other words, six or seven years of following this show have been reduced to a crude morality play.
Why read reddit to begin with? As for Gene being out of character, I still see it as a form of subconscious suicide. I also think we never really knew Gene. We knew Jimmy and his limits, he wouldnt suggest Badger get killed, we knew Saul and his limits, he wouldnt poison a child, we’re now seeing a persona that’s not got any copes left and has fewer and fewer limits

As for the actor switch I dont honestly see how they couldve went any other way with Gene and Jeff that didnt involve the former outsmarting the latter and then becoming a criminal again. It seems like they were programming (the word slips me) that if not from the start then very early into the Gene storyline - SG was here, “get a lawyer” were in S2&3

However still unfortunate that actor couldnt come back because hes just a better actor that could convey being outsmarted better and it would keep immersion to have that continuity of actors. This is weirdly the first time this has happened in the franchise, Kaylee doesnt count, you’d think they’d have to recast one of the older characters but they all lived long enough to get thru
 
Gene is least cautious version of Jimmy. Which makes no sense because he is the most in danger version of Jimmy. He takes extreme risks which are not necessary. Like returning to the house to rob a guy who has had time for the pills to wear off and wake up and catch him. Every hour they delayed breaking into the house again is another hour for cancer man to wake up after the roofies have worn off. Yet Gene does it anyways. Terrible writing. And he steals watches instead of just photoing the IDs which tips off cancer man that he has been robbed. He is written like a total amateur thief and not some professional con-artist.

They wrote in the stolen watches to parallel his fake watch scam he pulled in Chicago. It was forced writing to be artistic. The kind of stuff reddit fags masturbate over. Bravo Vince. Sopranos this show is not.

The dumbest risk though is working in a crowded mall two weeks into being on the FBI's most wanted. And facing hundreds of customers five or six days a week when your face is on the news every night. The timeline of Gene is a mess. He gets recognized as Saul in literally two weeks after Walt kills the Nazis. What a dope. He can't lay low or work night shift as a janitor for even two weeks?

Vince Gillian knows the ending of Breaking Bad made Walt into a hero for the reddit fags that liked the show. They can soy face over Walt walking away from explosions and machine gunning people and rescuing Jesse and killing Nazis over and over. Like Walt is Rambo or something. Walt was supposed to go from Mr. Rogers to Scarface. But really was more like Peter Parker into the Terminator. So that reddit fans could jackoff to the idea that a wimpy weakling loser like themselves can become a "Heisenberg" one day. That all nerds have an alpha male gangster inside of them. Like how adults watch Harry Potter or Batman and mentally imagine themselves as heroes and attending Hogwarts and being wizards. That secretly the people who read reddit and watch cartoons could morph into a Navy SEAL in under a year (while battling cancer too). The show became nerd fantasy for creeps and weirdos.

The idea that people got what they deserved in the BB universe is hilarious when you look at Andrea, Drew Sharp, Hank and Gomez, and even the airline crash victims. Yet Walt's family are millionaires and Jesse lives in his choice location. Both due to their drug money. There are so many innocent people that are hurt or destroyed during BB alone for various reasons. Not to mention the onslaught of meth addiction that Walt's blue meth causes. The ending is chaotic in terms of karma.

I doubt that Vince makes an example out of both Kim and Jimmy. It will likely be just Jimmy with Kim possibly even getting her law degree back. Some are speculating that the diamonds are given to Kim to start her law practice which would parallel Skyler getting Walt's Gray Matter money to restart her life.
Well like I said, subconscious suicide. I think the finale will probably confirm this

It’s also so weird that like your point is that Walt, Jesse, Skyler, Kim and Jimmy dont face consequences when they’re clearly living in hell. Kim hates herself and the writing is pretty clear about that, but you unironically think the writers want to give her diamonds so she can become a lawyer again. That’s so weird to me. Even Kim’s actress says that people viewing her as a girlboss dont understand she has a major god complex. It’s signalled (again the word slips me) earlier in this season that Kim was always a bad person who seeker a thrill, her shoplifting mirrors Jimmy’s taking the cash register

It’s so weird you can go muh bitch wife Walter is reddit hero when the writer you obsess over, Vince Gilligan, says time and time again he thinks Skyler is right and Walter’s a bastard that deserved to die alone. He’s just also a guy who’s so egotistical that he views killing a couple of inbred hicks as a W even tho his son hates him. It’s so weird you get the exact opposite interpretation

Like you bringing up the diamonds is so weird because they were really just there as visual shorthand for “Gene has money”. They dont need and wont serve any narrative purpose. They just wanted an easy way of showing Gene can afford to get a new identity without needing a giant bag of money with a $ on it and a newspaper with eye holes

Like your prediction about Kim getting vacuumed and becoming “Giselle” and then meeting for wholesome 100 ending was so blatantly wrong idk why you continue to embarrass yourself. You also literally thought Lalo’s plan was to get Kim to kill Gus. You go on about reddit but you can’t even comprehend plot points they understand. It’s weird because when it comes to character motivation and parallels you notice those and can be excellent at that kind of analysis but when it comes to basic story beats and narrative subliminal messaging (idk the word, still) you’re dumber than the people who think big chungus is funny
 
It seems like they were programming (the word slips me) that if not from the start then very early into the Gene storyline - SG was here, “get a lawyer” were in S2&3
The word you're looking for is foreshadowing.
My track record for predictions is shit but it would be very interesting if it was something that Chuck said that wound up happening. As someone mentioned earlier in this thread, this season has several little “Ghost of Chuck” moments, would be crazy to leave that behind for the final episode.
When it showed Gene slipping back into Saul I thought about how Chuck said he can't help himself. Looks like he was right all along.

A lot of what Gene does recently looks like it's fueled by spite. He was angry at Kim for telling him to turn himself in so he went back to crime, when he was previously ok with having leverage against Jeff and then telling him to fuck off and never bother him again. He was angry Buddy backed out of the robbery and went back to cancer man's house, even stealing his watches as a fuck you, which made it clear he committed a robbery and fucked him over in the end. He might not be a full blown sociopath in the way we commonly think of them but I think the point is he was never ever able to overcome his antisocial behaviors.
 
The word you're looking for is foreshadowing.
See im thinking of a different word than foreshadowing because its not like foreshadowing if you know what i mean? Foreshadowing is sort of like chekov’s gun, not literally but it usually is stuff that’s signalled directly. Whereas this is stuff thats vague and could go anywhere but is sort of them forecasting how they’re probably gonna go with it
When it showed Gene slipping back into Saul I thought about how Chuck said he can't help himself. Looks like he was right all along.

A lot of what Gene does recently looks like it's fueled by spite. He was angry at Kim for telling him to turn himself in so he went back to crime, when he was previously ok with having leverage against Jeff and then telling him to fuck off and never bother him again. He was angry Buddy backed out of the robbery and went back to cancer man's house, even stealing his watches as a fuck you, which made it clear he committed a robbery and fucked him over in the end. He might not be a full blown sociopath in the way we commonly think of them but I think the point is he was never ever able to overcome his antisocial behaviors.
Yea Saul being born of Kim saying “apart we’re okay” is living proof of Jimmy’s contrarianism

Jimmy responds well to reinforcement. If you told him he’s great at making sandwiches he’d make you a sandwich every day, but if he thought he was great at sandwiches and you said they were shit he’d make them every day to prove youre wrong. It’s a similar thing. If chuck nurtured him he couldve been a great lawyer but him becoming Saul Goodman is just him going the other way in an attempt to spite chuck
 
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