Aug 11 2022 - Case updated with "Waive right to indictment" and "transportation order" - Review scheduled for next year

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Now the question then becomes what the fuck else is wrong with him because that's clearly just one of the things.

But it's probably true that isn't just it. He could very well have other undiagnosed mental problems. What he has I'm not sure of and I don't want to be unethical by attempting to diagnose from afar.
Oh there are for sure other things wrong with him. If I'm reading source 13 right, he had to be officially be diagnosed with gender dysphoria to change his gender, and I don't think autism covers his terrible grip on reality.
And while I'm not a professional, I do believe in Occam's razor. Sure, you can say each and every one of his traits has some individual root cause, or you can say that most if not all of them have the same source. So in my unprofessional opinion, he probably has those three main issues and maybe a few others.
 
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>Transportation order.

He's quite possibly going to a hospital or other likewise facility. We're probably not going to be hearing from Chris for a while.

Or, it could be a court transport. Damn this sealed case to hell.
if it's a hospital, he's going to be there for some time. since he doesn't have a handler, the court might not let him out until he finds a group home/ a family member will have to agree to watch him. I have a feeling he's going to be there for at least a decade.
 
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I've seen a lot of people here question the validity of Chris' autism and kinda wonder why. It's not like we only have the word of Chris or his parents that he's autistic, he sent the papers. Actual psychologists have confirmed his autism several times, and saying that (iirc) three different trained professionals got it wrong isn't a good argument.

Only an MD/DO can give a diagnosis of autism and that traditionally falls under the auspice of Neurology. Other professions can give a tentative diagnosis, but this is only so that they can code a person, otherwise they cannot legally offer treatment.
 
I've seen a lot of people here question the validity of Chris' autism and kinda wonder why. It's not like we only have the word of Chris or his parents that he's autistic, he sent the papers. Actual psychologists have confirmed his autism several times, and saying that (iirc) three different trained professionals got it wrong isn't a good argument.
He's absolutely autistic. It just isn't an explanation for many of his traits. Repeatedly contorting that definition to fit his every shitty behavior is what bothers me.

At this rate @Lorne Armstrong is autistic too since they're both sex offenders, terminally addicted to interacting with people they know are bad actors, and have ridiculously overinflated egos despite having failed at every single thing they have ever attempted.
 
Considering that Borb lived like shit with fast food, smoking, drinking while being sedentary in a literal garbage dump 24/7 yet both made it to 80+ kinda implies that Chris, ironically, have quite good genetics when it comes to longevity.

Weeds are always harder to kill than vegetables.

Thank goodness Chris doesn't have good genes when it comes to reproduction.


driving is one of the most high functioning things he does

Chris' driving skills are not exactly what I'd call high functioning. They're more like barely functioning. Seriously, he has caused a LOT of accidents. His car insurance bills must have been crippling, and if it weren't for the fact that they give driver's licenses to anyone in bumfuck Virginia, he'd never have been licensed. How he passed the written part of the test is a mystery.


Now the question then becomes what the fuck else is wrong with him because that's clearly just one of the things.

Autism is not Chris' primary problem. It's his primary excuse for his many other shitty personality traits.
 
Only an MD/DO can give a diagnosis of autism and that traditionally falls under the auspice of Neurology. Other professions can give a tentative diagnosis, but this is only so that they can code a person, otherwise they cannot legally offer treatment.
I'm not sure what you're talking about here other than semantics. Professionals diagnosed him with autism. What exactly those professionals are called doesn't matter.
He's absolutely autistic. It just isn't an explanation for many of his traits. Repeatedly contorting that definition to fit his every shitty behavior is what bothers me.

At this rate @Lorne Armstrong is autistic too since they're both sex offenders, terminally addicted to interacting with people they know are bad actors, and have ridiculously overinflated egos despite having failed at every single thing they have ever attempted.
I'm not saying that autism is his only issue. The main thing is that people like to complicate his diagnosis and add on a bunch of stuff when autism explains most of his behavior. For example, traits of ASPD Chris shows (lack of empathy, not understanding/ caring about boundaries, not caring about consequences) can also be explained by autism. Why add on the ASPD diagnosis when it's not needed to understand Chris?
And remember, not all of Chris' shitty traits need to be linked back to an underlying problem. There're a lot of things wrong with me but that doesn't mean I have a mental disorder
 
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We don't have to get bogged down in this though. I do feel though that you are misinterpreting bobs denial that there is any issue as him trying to make Chris better.

I just dont see any fundamental improvement in Chris as a result of bobs oversight. At the very most the slim authority Bob had meant that while he was alive Chris couldn't get away with literally everything and anything. Still there is a difference between parentingand actually improving someone, versus doing very bare minimum of patrolling their behaviour.

Even the most meth addled toothless hillbilly in the desert might step in when they see their toddler rolling a gas canister towards a bonfire.
I've always wondered if they ever watched Rain Man together. If I had an autistic son, I'd probably watch it with him.
I’m pretty sure Bob counted on being able to send Chris off into the world to live on his own at around 18-20, but instead got saddled with a (literal) manchild that never got the tools and help needed to live as an independent adult - mainly due to Bob’s intervention when people tried to get Chris said things.

It was a proper Greek tragedy even before Chris pulled an Oedipus.
I've always been a little sympathetic to Bob trying to keep him out of special ed and psych care because Bob really believed that Chris would be thrown into a padded room with a straightjacket and given electroshock therapy until his brain was totally fried, and when Bob was growing up that was sometimes what actually happened.
 
I'm not saying that autism is his only issue. The main thing is that people like to complicate his diagnosis and add on a bunch of stuff when autism explains most of his behavior. For example, traits of ASPD Chris shows (lack of empathy, not understanding/ caring about boundaries, not caring about consequences) can also be explained by autism. Why add on the ASPD diagnosis when it's not needed to understand Chris?
And remember, not all of Chris' shitty traits need to be linked back to an underlying problem. There're a lot of things wrong with me but that doesn't mean I have a mental disorder.

Very true, but I doubt that many people would deny that Chris has some kind of personality disorder. I'm not a shrink, but I can read the DSM-V as well as any layman, and it's obvious that he suffers (or enjoys) a very robust amount of narcissism. From what I've read, mildly autistic people are often confused with narcissists: the lack of interest in/concern with other people, the near-total preoccupation with self, etc. Of course, even the legal documents refer to "the autism spectrum," and some cases are more severe than others: plenty of autistic people are able to function quite well with support from others, and aren't just sitting in a corner muttering. I don't think that autism is Chris' primary distinguishing characteristic: yes, it's obvious that he's not firing on all six cylinders, but that doesn't explain his actions. I imagine that very few autistics rape their elderly mothers or claim, with increasing insistence, that they are "God-Jesus-Christ-Christine-Savior-of-the-World," etc. But someone with a psycopathic level of narcissism just might do such things. Having used the word "psychotic," I should add that I don't think Chris is clinically insane: I think he's simply an evil-hearted little snot who's given in to his whims, fantasies, and darkest impulses ever since puberty or thereabouts, and people have been enabling him all his life: first his parents, and more recently such white knights as Null. But I don't blame his parents or the white knights: the only person to be blamed for Chris' wretched life choices is Chris.

And, although this is probably a minority opinion, I don't buy Chris' belief in the "other dimensions" or the "dimensional merge" for a minute. I think his entire world-view, like the Lego high school model, is a carefully crafted ploy to gain attention, and respect from anyone dim enough to humor him. I think he has a great imagination; I don't believe he's delusional.
 
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I've seen a lot of people here question the validity of Chris' autism and kinda wonder why. It's not like we only have the word of Chris or his parents that he's autistic, he sent the papers. Actual psychologists have confirmed his autism several times, and saying that (iirc) three different trained professionals got it wrong isn't a good argument.
My main issue with his autism isn’t the validity of it per say, but how it was made ages ago. The understanding of autism has skyrocketed in the last couple of decades. It would be real interesting to see what modern diagnosis he would’ve gotten as a kid today.

I don’t doubt it has autism, obviously, but I think his diagnosis is more nuanced.
 
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Considering everyone here thinks that Chris having a roommate would go poorly, would the staff make an exception for him? Would they give him his own personal room once he rages at the other tards or no?

Doubt it. They don't usually have the precious space for 'special' cases like him. His parents fucked him royally by not exposing him to this when he was a teenager. What did they think was going to happen after they died? And yet, this isn't that uncommon, no plan given to the future and you have a middle aged man with serious problems who will have to be trained after his worst habits are already deeply ingrained.

For financial reason, we have to keep rooms fully occupied. The only way you get a room to yourself is the isolation room. And that generally is not allowed for long periods of time. It requires continuous paperwork. 1 on 1 constant monitoring by a mental health tech. and a really good reason for the doctor to sign off on continued use.

He wont get a private room, even in the UK where we treat our Tards quite well private rooms are a luxury that's either paid for privately by the family, a trust set up by the family or the government but they have to have a list of requirements ticket off and it's mostly medical reasons they will give you one i.e. older Handycapped people who have been in care there whole life there is a small place near where I grew up that houses people like Chris's level of functioning where the older residants range from 65 to 75+ who have been in care since they where babys (given up at birth) who's family's either forgot about them or just don't care who have little 3 bedroom houses with private rooms and a building for staff who come in and help them if they need it, help with meds and other day to day stuff they are incapable of etc and it's quite expensive but a lot of them are true lifers who are now coming to the end - it's already a odd set up even the newer places they build are normally 2 to a room with limited single beds.


Chris doesn't qualify for that level of accommodation and he will either learn to accept it or be forced to and he will be a pain to live with until he learns to accept it and not encroach or martinet his room mate into doing what he wants - I can see this leading to a physical confrontation not started by Chris but him being on the receiving end of a punch or slap over his living arrangements when he fucks around with a room mate who won't put up with his crap and they are as standard gender segrigated (Tard homes are like Old Folks homes lot's of barely capable people fucking and spreading STD's) so they try to keep that to a minimum. A Facility may have both Men an Women but they are not in the same Dorm and ideally the mens and womens wings can't be accessed by the residents.

Then again this is Chris and the Luck of the Tard could strike and he get's a living arrangement where he is essentially in a self contained flat and he has supervision or assistance, the only certainty is his life is about to change in a way he's not going to like or put up with for long.

Only an MD/DO can give a diagnosis of autism and that traditionally falls under the auspice of Neurology. Other professions can give a tentative diagnosis, but this is only so that they can code a person, otherwise they cannot legally offer treatment.

This is why I've always called his interactions with the mental health system as little more than a rubber stamp, since his childhood I don't think he's seen a genuine Psychiatrist (until the Mental stay recently) he's mostly just seen Counsellors who are in no place to diagnose him but just assess him to see if he's OK in a limited set of circumstances i.e. Attend PVCC, Not Mace anybody again etc they don't have the time or skills necessary to perform a diagnosis on him and give him a course of treatment that would have a impact on him.

My honest guess is that both Bob and Barb knew this and combined with there age and misunderstanding of Childhood mental care options when Chris was a kid, when he got diagnosed with Autisim the doctors he had to see at the time at Greene county said he's Autistic and also likely has XYZ but we can't say for sure till he's much older, so they took it that he's potentially rainman (seriously that film fucked up a lot of parents expectations about there special needs kids in the 80's an 90's) and tried to actively hide it not just to protect Chris but to do the very old fashioned attitude of if we treat the sped normal and force him to be normal he will be normal.

Autism is not Chris' primary problem. It's his primary excuse

Very true, Chris's doesn't view his Autism as a problem (if anything he views it as a gift), when it comes to the law it should be viewed as a explination for the root of his dysfunction not a excuse / tard card defence.
 
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“An F in English class?! What do you have against autistic people?!”

- High (possibly Middle) School Chris.

Do you not have a U grade in the states? I know it's not common here but people with learning disabillities when I was growing up had a special U mark meaning Ungradeable and it was sent to a SENCO or some other specialist teacher who would break it down into good bits and bad bits to show them in detail what was wrong.
 
Do you not have a U grade in the states? I know it's not common here but people with learning disabillities when I was growing up had a special U mark meaning Ungradeable and it was sent to a SENCO or some other specialist teacher who would break it down into good bits and bad bits to show them in detail what was wrong.
I don’t know as I’m not actually American myself. However, you also have to remember that Chris is 40 now so this was ages ago when the understanding of special needs kids was nowhere near where its at today and Borb fought tooth and nail to have Chris treated like a “normal” kid in all things school-related.
 
I don’t know as I’m not actually American myself. However, you also have to remember that Chris is 40 now so this was ages ago when the understanding of special needs kids was nowhere near where its at today and Borb fought tooth and nail to have Chris treated like a “normal” kid in all things school-related.
Nah they were just ashamed of chris being a retard thats all
 
I don’t know as I’m not actually American myself. However, you also have to remember that Chris is 40 now so this was ages ago when the understanding of special needs kids was nowhere near where its at today and Borb fought tooth and nail to have Chris treated like a “normal” kid in all things school-related.

Sorry yanks are the main user base of the site, apologies for the presumption.

I'm not far of Chris's age and a lot of the methods used in the 80's and 90's where used on both sides of the Atlantic and I can remember the U grade coming in for some of the kids in my year group and them having to stay behind to talk to teachers after Assembly on Fridays.
 
Very true, but I doubt that many people would deny that Chris has some kind of personality disorder. I'm not a shrink, but I can read the DSM-V as well as any layman, and it's obvious that he suffers (or enjoys) a very robust amount of narcissism. From what I've read, mildly autistic people are often confused with narcissists: the lack of interest in/concern with other people, the near-total preoccupation with self, etc. Of course, even the legal documents refer to "the autism spectrum," and some cases are more severe than others: plenty of autistic people are able to function quite well with support from others, and aren't just sitting in a corner muttering. I don't think that autism is Chris' primary distinguishing characteristic: yes, it's obvious that he's not firing on all six cylinders, but that doesn't explain his actions. I imagine that very few autistics rape their elderly mothers or claim, with increasing insistence, that they are "God-Jesus-Christ-Christine-Savior-of-the-World," etc. But someone with a psycopathic level of narcissism just might do such things. Having used the word "psychotic," I should add that I don't think Chris is clinically insane: I think he's simply an evil-hearted little snot who's given in to his whims, fantasies, and darkest impulses ever since puberty or thereabouts, and people have been enabling him all his life: first his parents, and more recently such white knights as Null. But I don't blame his parents or the white knights: the only person to be blamed for Chris' wretched life choices is Chris.

And, although this is probably a minority opinion, I don't buy Chris' belief in the "other dimensions" or the "dimensional merge" for a minute. I think his entire world-view, like the Lego high school model, is a carefully crafted ploy to gain attention, and respect from anyone dim enough to humor him. I think he has a great imagination; I don't believe he's delusional.
Autism is absolutely the primary issue here. Even just listening to him speak screams autism (the cadence of his voice is extremely characteristic of autism). Everything prior to the incest incident screams autism.

Yes, not all autistic/sped/tard people rape their mothers, I think that's a separate issue. But Chris is not a psychopath, he's developmentally delayed and an asshole. He possibly may be psychotic (those two things are very different), but we as bystanders in this situation have no idea what is actually going on in Chris's head to know if he is genuinely delusional in belonging he is Jesus. Chris has always had this fantasy world going on, with sonichu and cwcville- it is possible that to cope with the stress of going to jail (which disrupted his normal routine, took away his comforts and any control he had over his life), Chris retreated into even deeper fantasy.

I have worked with autistic kids that will believe basically anything you tell them. They're high functioning in that they don't need constant supervision and can communicate well, but it would be extremely easy for any bad actors to take advantage of them. Chris would have been one of those kids, except he is now 40 and still at the same mental level. He knows not to trust people, he's been trolled relentlessly, but all it takes is for someone to act nice for a bit around him and he trusts them. More severe disabilities would have 0 stranger danger, so Chris is lucky in the sense thats not him, but he is still a terrible judge of character.

The main difference between the kids I worked with and Chris though, is all those kids were in special education. With that kind of support who knows how different his life would be today. Most of the older kids were going into vocational skills training, learning how to cook basic meals and shit, so they would have some level of independence later in life and have a better understanding of the world. Chris would have really benefited from that, and probably wouldn't be so hateful towards other "slow in the minds" :c
 
Regarding his ability to have passed the driving test, if the written test is anything like it is in other parts of the USA, as well as other white places like Canada and the EU, its not really "written" but a multiple choice test done on a computer. A good portion of the test involves pictures of signs (what does a Stop sign mean?) and Diagrams of street crossings with lights (can you Turn on a red?) or other cars (If you got to the intersection after the other Car, do you need to yield?) At least in North America, the test is made so someone with a low reading level or grasp of English could pass it. So someone reeeally special could pass it with Honor Roll marks.

Did Chris take Drivers Ed in school? If so maybe he passed because he had a year or more of them drilling the facts into his head.
 
“An F in English class?! What do you have against autistic people?!”

- High (possibly Middle) School Chris.
Makes me think of Ralph Wiggum.

“Me failing English? That’s umpossible”.
Sorry yanks are the main user base of the site, apologies for the presumption.

I'm not far of Chris's age and a lot of the methods used in the 80's and 90's where used on both sides of the Atlantic and I can remember the U grade coming in for some of the kids in my year group and them having to stay behind to talk to teachers after Assembly on Fridays.
I only recall the U grade being used to basically decide whether or not to enter kids for their GCSEs.

One dumb fuck I know of, was only entered for P.E.
They thought he was going to fail everything so hard that he would actually cost the school money.
The sad sad thing about this though was the guy claimed that he didn’t need “fancy schmancy” qualifications to prove he was smart.
 
I'm not far of Chris's age
My apologies for saying that Chris’ school years were “ages ago”.

Anyhow, it isn’t clear what Chris is talking about in this case, whether it is a failing grade all together or if it is just an assignment. I just found it poignant because it is most likely the earliest example of him using his autism as a shield/defense. The F couldn’t be the result of him not doing adequate work, no, it has to be because the teacher hates autistic people.
 
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