Predator 5 announced - Why can't they leave this fucking franchise just rest in peace?

[BrunoMattei]

Internet War Criminal over here fighting to the death for Prey.

To reiterate, I liked it, it was better than part 3 and 4, but I get why it's divisive. This is like the Alien 3 of the franchise in that you either like it or hate it with little in-between.

 

[Iron Father]

Save yourself the time and watch a kill count compilation, because it sucks balls outside of the kills.

 

[BrunoMattei]

Save yourself the time and watch a kill count compilation, because it sucks balls outside of the kills.

Woah, woah, woah, quick on the draw with the dumb rating. God forbid someone doesn't 100% agree with you, Mr. Redditor.

 

[Urbanmech]

Requiem goes HARD on the kills. Pregnant women, kids, old folks, you name it. Most movies don't have the balls to really commit to some gruesome shit like it did. It's got a meh cast though and a really weak romance subplot. "Oh gee, I decided to dump my boyfriend after I just sat there and watched him kick your ass and toss your car keys in the sewer. Teehee, I like you more." That and the abysmal color correction that was done that makes the movie nigh unwatchable at parts.

The scene where the pregnant woman winds up with a belly full of chestbursters is metal. Like something out of the old Dark Horse comics.

honestly I was hoping after this movie the next movie would be a Hunter vs Killer Predator movie. The fact that everyone was a target in AVPR it would just naturally flow into the Killers wiping out whole settlements and shit. Would have been interesting to see Predator on Predator tactics also instead of how the Predators VS fight played out.

 

[Iron Father]

Woah, woah, woah, quick on the draw with the dumb rating. God forbid someone doesn't 100% agree with you, Mr. Redditor.

There I changed it to disagree, god forbid someone thinks your opinion is dumb.

 

[Captain Autism69]

I watched Predators last night. It's great fun and a lot more interesting than all of the movies that came before and after

 

[Overly Serious]

Nigga, she's commanche. She's also at the peak of her physical health. Sure, she's a tiny woman, but her doing a bit of parkour and knowing how to do that kind of shit in a forest, assuming that she spent all of her life wanting to be a warrior and learning with fight with commanche warriors, it's not in any way as ludicrous as the shit that goes on with Old Man Glover in Predator 2

Man can barely run 4 feet without getting winded in the movie. Just look at the 'I'll show insubordination' trot he makes.

You wanna talk about unrealistic shit? The car scene where he rips his door and he's driving shooting at people full on blasting at him with automatic rifles isn't on the internet. That's how retarded it is.

You're gonna tell me those two fight scenes are more believable?

In fact, this whole franchise is trash, excluding the original Predator, which is somehow one of the best movies of all time. Everything that came afterwards is fucking terrible, but as far as Predator movies go, Prey is at least much better than most of the other sequels, and you can't complain about 'muh realism' about this one and ignore how every single other predator movie has the exact same fucking flaws, often far worse.

One of the things I noticed about Predator 2 having re-watched it recently is how many beats are lifted straight from Aliens. The latter came out four years earlier and was a massive hit. I'm thinking scenes like where Glover's character goes charging in to rescue a botched operation (a la Ripley in Aliens with the APC) and in the control centre where the out-of-his-depth controller is watching the operation go South on multiple screens and Glover grabs the comms and starts taking over.

Predator 2 is not a good movie. Like was already said it is filled with cringy 80's OTT tropes like the Voodoo crimelord and the Robocop style police culture portrayed. And the fights are frankly every bit as unrealistic as in Prey but without the more modern developments in stunt work and cinematography to make them more plausible. Also, the Predator in 2 is full on bullet proof except when Glover's character shoots it. Best thing about Predator 2 is the way the government forces come up with actual ideas to try and trap it and we get to see its vision where it can't see the people but can see their lights. In short, much like Predator 1 it's more a movie that is good because of some ideas in it than any actual artistic direction. Predator 1 is for people who find Arnie saying "Knock Knock" and giving a cheesy grin during a hyper-violent military operation funny. Predator 2 is the same but without the humour. A film that attempts to be Robocop and Aliens at the same time and fails at both.

AvP is a meme movie whose success is based on everybody wanting to see two iconic Sci-Fi monsters fight. The modern version of Frankenstein vs. Dracula. But for all that I still found it a fun movie and I liked the idea of the main character earning her mark as a predator and the whole puzzle palace setting.

Predators was an interesting idea and had decent production values but ultimately wasn't that good. Not awful, just not that good. I liked that it tried to go in a different direction with the franchise though.

The Predator (definitive article) I unashamedly enjoyed. The jokes are funny, the cast are good, the production values are good. The soldiers betting on whether Olivia Munn would go for the gun (hey that rhymes) and their comical reaction when she tries to shoot the main character all made me laugh. The Predator is the closest movie to the original movie in tone and humour. It has a trope I hate which is "autism / social incapability = very smart" which is not only wishful thinking but slightly the opposite in my experience. The idea that there's more to why they hunt is interesting though I could see it would bother some people in that it kind of changes stuff. The villain guy is absolutely legendarily cuntish. I mean, fucking mocking the kid about his dad. It's a pretty good movie, imo, right up until the really, really, really stupid set up in the post-finale scene with the "It has a name - The Predator Killer" idiocy. Cut that and it's a good movie.

Actually it turns out I never watched AvP: Requiem, I'm about to start it now, maybe it's the redeeming movie in the series I hadn't seen yet.

It's good in terms of production values. It's pretty extreme in places. At the pregnant woman scene I would have stopped the movie if at home but I was seeing it with people at the cinema. It feels more like a slasher movie for much of its run time with lots of teen angst tropes. It's like if Scream were an Aliens movie.

It's a lot more full-on than the watered down AvP movie. Violent, vicious. I was very much sold on seeing the movie just from the trailer which made it apparent just how uncompromising it was going to be. In terms of tone it's more Predator than Aliens but I think it finds a happy medium.

My ranking, just because I didn't get enough puzzle pieces last time from everyone, would be the following in terms of descending enjoyment:

1. Prey (by a mile)
2. AvP: Requiem (good quality action-horror even if dumb)
3. Predators (it's decently average. It's just neither gonzo like the first nor immersing like Prey).
4. AvP (dumb and fun)
5. Predator
6. Predator 2 ("Ee walks in dee udder world, Meester Police Man")

 

[White Devil]

Why do Native Americans have a reputation for being badass anyways? When the Euros came they were completely BTFOd and only spared by Colonials kindness.

Noble savage myth that is 100% modern white guilt. These people were sub IQ nomadic savages that were tracked across the land by the trails of garbage they left. Literally nothing of value was lost.

 

[Articles and Nudes]

Using she's a comanche as justification is even weirder, as trying to deviate from her role like that would have resulted in significant more backlash through her life than social discomfort.

The comanche were actual savages.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Why do Native Americans have a reputation for being badass anyways? When the Euros came they were completely BTFOd and only spared by Colonials kindness.

Yeah, they were BTFO'd because the ones who came from Europe had superior technology and were united forces, while the injuns were a bunch of different tribes who were constantly at war with each others.

I'm sorry you didn't pay attention in history and you bought the Pocahontas idea that native americans were peaceful savages, they were actually warrior society who scared the shit out of the colonials, and that's why they would hire tribes to fight for them.

Go read up on the history of the Kiowa, and how they literally spent 50 years raiding the US Army. They killed thousands and thousands of Americans, they'd then go hide in Mexico, do the same to Mexicans and hide back in America, along with the Comanche. The Comanche themselves were so bad that right after the civil war the US government's first priority was to go to war with them and eliminate them because of how much raiding, pillaging and killing they did. They alone ended up wiping out tons of native tribes.

You could go one and on with the Sioux, the Apache, the Cheyenne... and all I've been talking about is, again, post-civil war. Prior to the civil war, and definitely prior to the revolution, they were far worst and more fearsome.

Go read about the life of Geronimo. Go read about how Apache fucking wrecked the 3rd Cavalry over and over. They got so used to hearing their war cry that after they defeated them they legit adopted it as theirs.

How do you expect America to survive when its own citizens don't know its own fucking history?

great post, horrible ranking

I mean as far as enjoyment goes I don't get how you can rate the original Predator so low, though I agree with pretty much everything you've said.

I'd say the order for me as far as enjoyment goes is:

Predator > Prey > The Predator > Predators > AvP: Requiem > AvP > Predator 2

The order as far as quality of the movie goes:

Predator > Prey > Predators > Predator 2 > AvP: Requiem > The Predator > AvP

Having rewatched The Predator, I used to think it was really retarded, but since it came out turns out I've come to really enjoy it's retardation. I also don't think that Predator 2 is a horrible movie, the practical effects are fantastic, but it's a dated piece of shit and as you pointed out tried to steal too much from other, better movies rather than being original. It has a few great concepts but it's shit as far as execution goes.

I had zero expectations before watching The Predator, and lots before rewatching Predator 2, so that might have colored my enjoyment of both tbf.

 

[JohnDoe]

Using she's a comanche as justification is even weirder, as trying to deviate from her role like that would have resulted in significant more backlash through her life than social discomfort.

The comanche were actual savages.

Yep. Anybody who gives you any kind of 'uwu noble savages so kind' bullshit is delusional or lying. The vast majority of all these tribes were absolute godless savages that got far better than they deserved. The 'evil paleface' would simply shoot them dead, or if captured, give them a dignified hanging, meanwhile the Comanche would do shit like:

Comanches put the prisoner to work digging a hole, telling him they needed it for a religious ceremony. When the captive, using a knife and his hands, had completed digging a pit about five feet deep, they bound him with rope, placed him in it, filled the hole with dirt, packing it around his body and exposed head. They then scalped him and cut off his ears, nose, lips, and eyelids. Leaving him bleeding, they rode away, counting on the sun and insects to finish their work for them. Later, back at their encampment, they told the story as an excellent joke, one which gained them a certain celebrity throughout the tribe.

It gets worse:

The 16-year-old girl’s once-beautiful face was grotesque. She had been disfigured beyond all recognition in the 18 months she had been held captive by the Comanche Indians.
Once handed over, Matilda Lockhart broke down as she described the horrors she had endured — the rape, the relentless sexual humiliation and the way Comanche women had tortured her with fire. It wasn’t just her nose, her thin body was hideously scarred all over with burns. When she mentioned she thought there were 15 other white captives at the Indians’ camp, all of them being subjected to a similar fate, the Texan lawmakers and officials said they were detaining the Comanche chiefs while they rescued the others.
The Comanche tribe’s furious response knew no bounds. When the Texans suggested they swap the Comanche prisoners for their captives, the Indians tortured every one of those captives to death instead.
‘One by one, the children and young women were pegged out naked beside the camp fire,’ according to a contemporary account. ‘They were skinned, sliced, and horribly mutilated, and finally burned alive by vengeful women determined to wring the last shriek and convulsion from their agonised bodies. Matilda Lockhart’s six-year-old sister was among these unfortunates who died screaming under the high plains moon.’

Here's another nice tidbit:

In her account of her life among the Comanche, [As a sex slave captured after the Comanche killed her family by feigning peace] Rachel wrote that six weeks after giving birth to a healthy son, the warriors decided she was slowed too much by childcare, and threw her son down on the ground. When he stopped moving, they left her to bury him. When she revived him, they returned and tied the infant to a rope, and dragged him through cactuses until the frail, tiny body was literally torn to pieces.

Fuck basically all the tribes, but Comanche in particular.

 

[wtfNeedSignUp]

Yeah, they were BTFO'd because the ones who came from Europe had superior technology and were united forces, while the injuns were a bunch of different tribes who were constantly at war with each others.

I'm sorry you didn't pay attention in history and you bought the Pocahontas idea that native americans were peaceful savages, they were actually warrior society who scared the shit out of the colonials, and that's why they would hire tribes to fight for them.

Go read up on the history of the Kiowa, and how they literally spent 50 years raiding the US Army. They killed thousands and thousands of Americans, they'd then go hide in Mexico, do the same to Mexicans and hide back in America, along with the Comanche. The Comanche themselves were so bad that right after the civil war the US government's first priority was to go to war with them and eliminate them because of how much raiding, pillaging and killing they did. They alone ended up wiping out tons of native tribes.

You could go one and on with the Sioux, the Apache, the Cheyenne... and all I've been talking about is, again, post-civil war. Prior to the civil war, and definitely prior to the revolution, they were far worst and more fearsome.

Go read about the life of Geronimo. Go read about how Apache fucking wrecked the 3rd Cavalry over and over. They got so used to hearing their war cry that after they defeated them they legit adopted it as theirs.

How do you expect America to survive when its own citizens don't know its own fucking history?

I'm not an American though...
Also the question is whether the USA went full genocide on the Indians, or were they pretty much forced to always fight on their opponents terms while the Indians had zero problems razing settlements to the ground.

 

[xXx: State of the Union]

Yeah, they were BTFO'd because the ones who came from Europe had superior technology and were united forces, while the injuns were a bunch of different tribes who were constantly at war with each others.

I'm sorry you didn't pay attention in history and you bought the Pocahontas idea that native americans were peaceful savages, they were actually warrior society who scared the shit out of the colonials, and that's why they would hire tribes to fight for them.

Go read up on the history of the Kiowa, and how they literally spent 50 years raiding the US Army. They killed thousands and thousands of Americans, they'd then go hide in Mexico, do the same to Mexicans and hide back in America, along with the Comanche. The Comanche themselves were so bad that right after the civil war the US government's first priority was to go to war with them and eliminate them because of how much raiding, pillaging and killing they did. They alone ended up wiping out tons of native tribes.

You could go one and on with the Sioux, the Apache, the Cheyenne... and all I've been talking about is, again, post-civil war. Prior to the civil war, and definitely prior to the revolution, they were far worst and more fearsome.

Go read about the life of Geronimo. Go read about how Apache fucking wrecked the 3rd Cavalry over and over. They got so used to hearing their war cry that after they defeated them they legit adopted it as theirs.

How do you expect America to survive when its own citizens don't know its own fucking history?

Now it all makes sense. IWC is either a whiteguilt ridden faggot or a pathetic redskin simp

Either way, fuckin' pathetic reason to die on the hill of fucking meh streaming film.

 

[BrunoMattei]

I mean as far as enjoyment goes I don't get how you can rate the original Predator so low, though I agree with pretty much everything you've said.

I'd say the order for me as far as enjoyment goes is:

Predator > Prey > The Predator > Predators > AvP: Requiem > AvP > Predator 2

The order as far as quality of the movie goes:

Predator > Prey > Predators > Predator 2 > AvP: Requiem > The Predator > AvP

Woah, woah, woah, do not shit on Predator 2. You are playing with fire, man.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Also the question is whether the USA went full genocide on the Indians, or were they pretty much forced to always fight on their opponents terms while the Indians had zero problems razing settlements to the ground.

Not only did Europeans and eventually Americans never went full on genocide with Native Americans, they gave them way more slack than they should have considering the number of raids and barbarism that they engaged in for over 300 years. Honestly if it had been any other civilization having to deal with them, they would have been wiped out, not given casinos and baseball teams named after them.

For the most part, they were formidable warriors, and we're really lucky that they were such war-loving savages that they didn't bury the hatchet and unite to fight the first colonists, because there wouldn't be an America today otherwise.

 

[White Devil]

Woah, woah, woah, do not shit on Predator 2. You are playing with fire, man.

Think it's just zoomerism and the inability to cope with a better time having existed. Like the time Predator 2 was filmed in. Or that it had Gary Busey.

 

[FarCentrist]

Yep. Anybody who gives you any kind of 'uwu noble savages so kind' bullshit is delusional or lying. The vast majority of all these tribes were absolute godless savages that got far better than they deserved. The 'evil paleface' would simply shoot them dead, or if captured, give them a dignified hanging, meanwhile the Comanche would do shit like:

It gets worse:

Here's another nice tidbit:

Fuck basically all the tribes, but Comanche in particular.

Got any good sources and websites about the barbarity of native Indians in America and other countries?

I'm getting tired of this "peaceful noble savages in tune with mother nature" that they keep selling.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Think it's just zoomerism and the inability to cope with a better time having existed. Like the time Predator 2 was filmed in. Or that it had Gary Busey.

Nigga what the fuck are you talking about, 89-90-91 were not a better time, it was a fucking recession, the first Iraq war and a bunch of bullshit going wrong. Murders were through the fuck roof, drug use, etc.. There's a reason why Predator 2 imagines that 7 years from now it's actual fucking chaos in the streets with full on gang warfare. Shit, Rodney King, Rooftop Koreans, crime fucking peaked in those years. There's a reason why that's when Grunge became popular.

Next time you wanna cosplay as a boomer, you fucking millenial, you should try to know about the years you're trying to LARP about.

 

[White Devil]

Nigga what the fuck are you talking about, 89-90-91 were not a better time, it was a fucking recession, the first Iraq war and a bunch of bullshit going wrong. Murders were through the fuck roof, drug use, etc.. There's a reason why Predator 2 imagines that 7 years from now it's actual fucking chaos in the streets with full on gang warfare. Shit, Rodney King, Rooftop Koreans, crime fucking peaked in those years. There's a reason why that's when Grunge became popular.

Next time you wanna cosplay as a boomer, you fucking millenial, you should try to know about the years you're trying to LARP about.

You're a retarded nigger and I'm not reading your dumb nigger rants anymore. Get a life.

 

[The Nothingness]

Japan would unironically work since that island was pretty much in constant wars. I don't think China had any interesting conflicts besides getting buttfucked by the Brits.

The Warring States period in China could have worked but that mean retconning the Predators' first hunt on Earth. Other options for a China setting would be during the Boxer Rebellion, the 1911 Revolution, and the phases of the Chinese Civil War, which would include the interlude of Japanese occupation.