Urbanism slapfight

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Also there are very real societal issues that prevent public transport from developing, which tbeg never address.
The problem with the American line of thinking is that they believe that cities themselves are inherently dirty and dangerous. In non-shitholes, this is far from the case. (Singapore, Japan, Korea) The leaders of these cities are just incompotent retards that voters in the suburbs seem so keen on keeping in there. Inner city voting can be excused due poor quality and funding, but the fact that suburbanites willfully keep voting in the retards that keep ruining cities makes them just as much to blame for their debauchery. If you just move away from the problem, it doesn't fix it.

especially in countries like Japan that put up a facade of being a safe, clean place
Japan is cleaner and safer place than any zoo in the West. This is the ultimate cope.
 
The leaders of these cities are just incompotent retards that voters in the suburbs seem so keen on keeping in there. Inner city voting can be excused due poor quality and funding, but the fact that suburbanites willfully keep voting in the retards that keep ruining cities makes them just as much to blame for their debauchery
Suburbanites can't vote for the main city's leadership. They can only vote for their suburban city's leadership and they tend to vote for people who aren't morons that believe that defunding the police lowers crime. The decline of the American city is 100% due to the people who live there.
 
Suburbanites can't vote for the main city's leadership. They can only vote for their suburban city's leadership and they tend to vote for people who aren't morons that believe that defunding the police lowers crime. The decline of the American city is 100% due to the people who live there.
There is no such things as "suburban leadership" (except for HOAs, but they're more of an annoyance). People zoned to the census designated area that encompasses the city are responsible for voting in the mayoral or council election, irregardless of how far or close to the center they are.
It's also more of a police state than most western countries because individualism doesn't really have many roots there.
Freedom to safely walk around at night in the city > Freedom to get stabbed by some homeless nigger over $20
Stroads are just highways.
Nope, it's an abomination known as an arterial road.
 
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WTF are you talking about? Suburbs are typically their own cities with mayors and city councils and they do all the standard city stuff like build roads, run schools, police, fire departments, etc
So it's a city then, not a suburb. Whether a city is more suburban or not is irrelevant because if it's populous and centralized enough to have a mayor/council, then the census qualifies it as a city.
Since they are residents of a different city, they literally cannot vote for anyone in the "main" city's government.
If the city designates that particular suburb to be apart of the district in voting for mayor, then they absolutely can. People who live in the suburbs of Chicago vote for the mayor of Chicago. That's why they're called the suburbs of Chicago.
Why should a resident of one city give up control over their local area and subsidize another city, just because it is nearby and more famous?
>suburbs
>subsidizing the city

lol
 
There is no such things as "suburban leadership" (except for HOAs, but they're more of an annoyance). People zoned to the census designated area that encompasses the city are responsible for voting in the mayoral or council election, irregardless of how far or close to the center they are.
HOAs are living proof that being a rich asshole can't buy you a brain.
Freedom to safely walk around at night in the city > Freedom to get stabbed by some homeless nigger over $20
Nice things, like tits, come in pairs, but apparently so do shit things. Like being a racist fuck and a car hating autist. That being said, people get stabbed in Japan too, despite the willingness to trade personal liberty for a false feeling of safety. Yeah sure it's an Americunt way of thinking but you're not going to eliminate crime or terrorism completely no matter what you do.

To be fair, that happens with government run trains as well. Amtrak had a crash just over a month ago that killed four and injured 150.
Also, the British trains are privatized-in-name-only. They're still heavily regulated and subsidized by the government, and most of the tracks are owned by a single "company" called Network Rail whose only shareholder is the Department of Transport. The full structure is far too complex to post here, but it's not as simple as "private = bad".

WTF are you talking about? Suburbs are typically their own cities with mayors and city councils and they do all the standard city stuff like build roads, run schools, police, fire departments, etc. Since they are residents of a different city, they literally cannot vote for anyone in the "main" city's government. Why should a resident of one city give up control over their local area and subsidize another city, just because it is nearby and more famous?
Anything private companies can screw up, the government can screw up for more money.

wtf i love cars now

No seriously, how could you base your entire life around loathing cars? Cars are based:


I went on the Dutch internet and attempted to find Jason Slaughter's workplace. I was unsuccessful but I did find this article about him from a Dutch web magazine. Apparently it's mostly circle-jerking swampkrauts who watch his channel, they comprise 47% of viewership. The only other thing of note from there is this comment:
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Dammit he's right about that at least - but wrong about literally everything else. This ten minute video was made to rebuke Alan Fisher but it works against all these idiots because they're all intellectually inbred:

So every city's going to end up a desolate industrial wasteland that looks like it peaked in 1960 and just shut down a few years after? Along with being full of crack zombies?

Also I think these people are just jealous they can't even afford a beat up 1985 Honda Civic with their shitty Starbucks job.

To be fair though, we're going to end up with nothing but unaffordable electric vehicles on the market, so...I kinda get it.

Also, while we are on the subject of cars? Fuck Priuses. Seriously. Prius owners almost always live up to the stereotypes depicted in South Park.

I know it does.

This was a crossing accident and could happen any and everywhere. It bares no correlation to Hatfield, other than a train derailed and 4 people died. The reason Hatfield came up was because one of the dumb fucks we're mocking here said BR wasn't truly privatised, which it was.

They want to stick their dick into something, just not cars. I'll leave up to you to figure out what that something is.
I didn't know collectivist bugmen had functional genitals.

I suppose you do learn something new every day.
 
If the city designates that particular suburb to be apart of the district in voting for mayor, then they absolutely can. People who live in the suburbs of Chicago vote for the mayor of Chicago. That's why they're called the suburbs of Chicago.
No, only people who live in Chicago can vote for the mayor of Chicago. People in Schaumburg vote for the mayor of Schaumburg, not Chicago.
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>suburbs
>subsidizing the city

lol
What do you think property taxes on an office tower filled with suburban commuters and sales taxes collected on purchases made by said commuters at businesses in the city are? There is a reason why work-from-home has caused a lot of Manhattan businesses to go under despite the insanely high density. In Manhattan's case, suburban drivers subsidize the subway system through bridge/tunnel tolls and (soon) a congestion charge. You also proposed the annexation of suburban cities by the "main" city which would result in the taxes being redistributed.
 
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Nice things, like tits, come in pairs, but apparently so do shit things. Like being a racist fuck and a car hating autist.
Who said anything about hating cars? Why are you making baseless assumptions about people who have a differing opinion than you?
That being said, people get stabbed in Japan too, despite the willingness to trade personal liberty for a false feeling of safety.
Sure they do, but you making it out to seem like it's on the same level as people who don't trade their personal liberty for saftey is ridiculously dishonest. It undeniable that Japan is safer than most countries, and the results are clear from the empirical and anecdotal data. No amount of trying to weasle your wording is going to change that.
Yeah sure it's an Americunt way of thinking but you're not going to eliminate crime or terrorism completely no matter what you do.
No one said anything about eliminating crime, but when it can be reduced to a minimum without having worry constantly about your saftey, I'd say it's a fair trade. Most people who have children or are vulerable themselves would tend to agree.
 
>pay $1000 a month for car insurance + car payment
Dude bundled car insurance and renter's insurance is like $178 a month and monthly car payment is like $269. But see I'm 8 months paid ahead currently and under $10k balance less than 2 years after buying because I'm smart with my money unlike you malding europoors
 
Do the Dutch have public records like the US does? In the US you can find out the address of anyone who pays property taxes or has a mortgage unless they are rich enough to buy a house outright through an LLC and care more about privacy than losing their tax advantages. Of course, if he's a renter there wouldn't be any mortgage/tax records, but I'd assume that someone who is as in love with a city as he is would buy property.
I found something called the Basic Person Registry (officially Anglicized as the Personal Records Database). It would give us his complete dox, but only Dutch citizens and organizations can access it.

So every city's going to end up a desolate industrial wasteland that looks like it peaked in 1960 and just shut down a few years after? Along with being full of crack zombies?
Possibly, the rich will make sure their surroundings are nice when the dollar collapses and the Chinese are on their way. I was joking about America's decline, not being dead serious.
 
So it was a case of typical American knows nothing about other countries.
Generally wondering was the initial privatizing of BR set up the same as the US prior to amtrak where freight railroads owned and operated the trains and where required to offer some kind of passenger service or was it something slightly different.

No, only people who live in Chicago can vote for the mayor of Chicago. People in Schaumburg vote for the mayor of Schaumburg, not Chicago.
I think this is the one major downside of suburbs tbh, you can have all the best policies imaginable but your still have to deal with neighbors from the city making things worse because they don't give two shits about the cities boarders. It used to be entirely due to public transit but I'd argue things like rideshare, eschooters, etc are starting to fill the gaps. And that's also ignoring the fact that if your suburb is part of some regional/metropolitan council being waste, water, etc. the core city ways has the most influence and can sometimes ignore any protests from suburbs.

Still think most suburbs are a decent place to live in the US depending on what city its a suburb of and if it was largely established post war. Might argue if you can find one of the few remaining urban clusters in the countryside that's slightly better but not really relevant.
 
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No, only people who live in Chicago can vote for the mayor of Chicago. People in Schaumburg vote for the mayor of Schaumburg, not Chicago.
See this is what I don't understand about America and it way it zones shit. You have counties (cook country is also considered greater chciago), towns and cities, and then you get weird shit like looping around a neighborhood. I would call the outer parts of the "city of chicago" more surburban. Yet the state/county considers chicago to be all of the little city governments in between to be Chicago.

Here is what I mean to be a little more clear:
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There are obviously parts of Houston and Dallas of which people would consider to be more "surburban" than what the sterotypical city would be known as. In these American cities however, it's so fucking far apart that it fucks up perception. What is up with this shit?


In Manhattan's case, suburban drivers subsidize the subway system through bridge/tunnel tolls and (soon) a congestion charge.
>Source: My ass
Most of the funding from the MTA comes from fares. 38% in fact. Tolls only "subsidize" 12% of their funding.
There is a reason why work-from-home has caused a lot of Manhattan businesses to go under despite the insanely high density.
>watches a single louis rossman video
What do you think property taxes on an office tower filled with suburban commuters and sales taxes collected on purchases made by said commuters at businesses in the city are?
So the office tower in the city provides the tax revenue to fund the suburban development, the suburbs themselves offer a negligible amount of revenue because they don't produce anything, they just house people. People make money in the city to go home to the suburbs. I don't know what you are trying to argue here.
Dude bundled car insurance and renter's insurance is like $178 a month and monthly car payment is like $269. But see I'm 8 months paid ahead currently and under $10k balance less than 2 years after buying because I'm smart with my money unlike you malding europoors
>I said it so it has to be true for everyone
The story of this entire thread. Go back and look at my other responses, I already provided the stats
 
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Go have gay sex in the Thunderdome instead of shitting here, please
(https://kiwifarms.net/threads/i-hate-pro-bughive-channels.120626)

I am just adhereing to the core values of the website
2. Truth is Stranger than Fiction
Documenting reality is always encouraged. Misinformation is not welcome. Questioning prevailing narratives is fine.

but also not even doing anything to circumvent or change anything.
That really only applies to the likes of Alan Fisher, Adam something, and a few smaller channels. Strong Towns is an established organization that has been advocating for over a decade. NJB tells people to join strong towns.

Nobody's paying $1000 for car insurance unless they live in California and have a DUI on their record. Give it up bong, like your daughter gave it up to the paki at the chippy and his friend in the bobbies
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Who said anything about hating cars? Why are you making baseless assumptions about people who have a differing opinion than you?
Irony strikes at the best of times.

Also, this thread is about car haters, largely if not chiefly. But at the very least you didn't deny being a racist fuck, so we are getting somewhere.
Sure they do, but you making it out to seem like it's on the same level as people who don't trade their personal liberty for saftey is ridiculously dishonest. It undeniable that Japan is safer than most countries, and the results are clear from the empirical and anecdotal data. No amount of trying to weasle your wording is going to change that.
I always do wonder why the people who say things like "why can't we be more like (country name)" just...gasp...move to (country name). Besides, as mentioned before, statistics can be fudged or changed to be misleading, and trying to sell themselves as a safe and clean country is a priority, especially in the wake of past Japanese war crimes. Besides, most westerners wouldn't like to live in Japan if they knew the reality of it.
No one said anything about eliminating crime, but when it can be reduced to a minimum without having worry constantly about your saftey, I'd say it's a fair trade. Most people who have children or are vulerable themselves would tend to agree.
Demand Zero Tolerance Law Enforcement! For the Children!

If I had a dollar for every time politicians tried to use children to sell a narrative, I'd never have to work another day in my life.
I hate the idea of suburbs and would ideally live in some net 0 utopia like the concept artwork for Alderaan, but I can't blame anyone for leaving the city.

High crime rates, everything is decaying and gross, still have to drive everywhere anyway, whereas a nice suburb is quiet, well kept and with all the amenities relatively close. If I woke up a millionaire tomorrow first thing I would do is move to the nice exurb, everyone can kiss my consumerist ass.
My parents bought a house in the suburbs. It's boring as hell living there, especially if you're a kid without a driver's license and everything is far apart. Honestly you might as well live out in the middle of nowhere, at least you don't have to look at rows of ugly houses for miles.
 
Irony strikes at the best of times.
Also, this thread is about car haters, largely if not chiefly. But at the very least you didn't deny being a racist fuck, so we are getting somewhere.
This thread is about urbanists. The only people who legitamently hate cars is the subreddit. It's why OP is a gigantic faggot when he decided to group them all together. Also, just because I didn't address your defamatory remarks about being a racist doesn't mean I admitted to it. Don't be dense.

I always do wonder why the people who say things like "why can't we be more like (country name)" just...gasp...move to (country name). Besides, as mentioned before, statistics can be fudged or changed to be misleading, and trying to sell themselves as a safe and clean country is a priority, especially in the wake of past Japanese war crimes. Besides, most westerners wouldn't like to live in Japan if they knew the reality of it.
The reality of Japan is that it is cleaner and safer than most countries. If you want to say "oh well I don't believe the statistics because they can be messed with", then how do you judge what is the reality of the situation? People who have been there can attest to its well known reputation of clean and safe. Just because the city isn't perfect doesn't mean any of the aforementioned claims are invalidated.

Demand Zero Tolerance Law Enforcement! For the Children!
If I had a dollar for every time politicians tried to use children to sell a narrative, I'd never have to work another day in my life.
You are trying to trivialise label a legitimate concern with virtue signaling rhetoric used by politicans. That's dispicable. Also, you didn't answer shit, because you know the sentiment is true.
 
extremely homogenous, ethnically and culturally, relative to american cities. Really gets the noggin joggin.
Singapore is multi-cultural. They even have requirements that the public housing be the same proportion as to the whole population (which 80% of everyone lives in). 74% Chinese, 14% Malay, 7% Indian, and 4% other. This wasn't always the case before LKY came in and tunred shit around.
You saying just vote city leaders out really shows your lack of understanding of how American cities operate.
So people don't vote in those who represent their interest?
Beyond that you think the suburban people are responsible for this crap while giving the actual city dwellers a pass because of "poor quality and funding". What does that even mean? You are really coping hard on this one.
Inner city retardation is in the same shitshow as Rural retardation. It's clear that a lack of education and funding is a problem. Doens't matter if it's hwhite in West Virginia or Blacks in Atlanta. All are equally responsible in voting, but the surburbs has the most power in terms of wealth, education, and political activism. It's logical that they carry the most amount of weight in the local decisions made. NIMBYS are a prime example of this.
 
Terms you deem to be "autistic babble" have meaning in the context of what they are talking about. This entire garbage thread is prime "Mad at the internet". The only thing that actually qualifies as lolcows are redditors and Adam "Nuclear holocaust isn't that bad" something . You are too much of a sperg to consider that words have meaning by trivialising them for your retardation and stickers. You created a picture of who you want them to be and say.
Let me guess, you think "mansplain", "whitewash" and "manspread" are actual things, right? And not terms created by permanently developmentally-stunted harpies who are mad over being wrong over things and typically having a man correct them, little in the way of black superheroes and leading roles so they have to make white characters black in order to compete, and the biological difference between the two sexes which necessitates a slightly different sitting posture which these gluttonous hamplanets deem as "spreading", even though given the opportunity they usually take a whole seat for their purse. If you have to invent words for your cause, it probably isn't a valid one.

It's the very same thing here. "Stroad" isn't a thing; if it was, then the definition wouldn't arbitrarily describe any road that's wide, open, and with no visibly apparent crossings. Otherwise, this would be a "strail", since it turns what should be a 5 minute walk into an unnecessarily much longer journey, since the "train-dependent" infrastructure cuts the city into two with little in the way for pedestrian or road crossings:
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And yet, few people are complaining that the centre of Munich is split in two with a 44 lane-wide, 200m long abomination of a terminal when cities with much bigger tourist and commercial opportunities make do with terminals that are a fraction of the size:
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No-one complains about this "trainbrained" retardation because it goes against their narrative. "Just walk for an hour to get to the other side on what should have been a 10 minute walk lmao" because they're too cheap or lazy to build a few more pedestrian bridges in logical places. At the very least, if you're going to follow through and be consistent on what already exists, there should at least be an L-Train that goes across it as part of its route.

"Road violence" is charged language that makes it seem like innocent mistakes and injuries suffered while on the road was deliberate grievous harm much in the same vein as "gun violence", yet they are likely the same people who are quick to blame pedestrians who end up with broken bones and scrapes as a result of a bicycle hitting them. We don't call that "bicycle violence". We call it an accident, because that's what it is. Either because the cyclist was inattentive, the pedestrian was inattentive, or either of the two parties felt opportunistic.

Had this happened in 2022, you'd have a whole bunch of whiteknights getting MATI over the guy who's had his head busted open into the wheel well of his car becoming angry because some retard on a bicycle decided he was Lance Armstrong and tried to cut an apex where there was a brick wall. They'll complain about the width of the pavement being too "ped-centric" and demand the wall be smashed down instead of taking steps to negate future incidents.

"Car-dependent" is also likewise as arbitrary as stroad is, since it has been readily applied from cities that have stayed largely the same over centuries, with horsecart routes being paved into roads intended for automobile usage, all the way to brand new cities with less than half a century of history. Can you tell me what "car-dependent infrastructure" actually is without resorting to posting a video? Can you explain it in 50 words or less? Can you prove that changing the infrastructure will actually make a positive difference, and I'm not talking about "it looks nicer" or other sentimental crap, I want economic proof that removing "car-dependent" infrastructure has a positive effect on the economy and not just inconveniencing people you don't like. And "carbrained", which is what I replaced it with, is the most infantile of the bunch. "Oh you don't agree with us therefore YOU ARE LE CRINGE CARBRAIN XD". Fuck off.

Your opinion has already been made up. You vehemently denounce what they believe in irregardless of if they object to r/fuckcars or not. You aren't just being unfair, but activley malicious. This is exactly the type of dumb "joyless" shit jersh was talking about. People have different opinions than you, grow the fuck up. It's funny too how you mention "oh well they haven't denounced them and they talked to other lolcows so that automatically makes them one" is the same backwards logic reddit leftards use when trying to call anyone a facisct. "You talk to a nazi, you've been around nazis, you're a nazi".
You're damn right my opinion has been made up, just like yours has. You don't seem to understand that we're complaining about people who have made it their literal life's work to complain, and that the only person who has actually done something (Charles Marohn) is a known grifter. We're criticising about NJB for being a dumb Canadian who thinks ALL of Europe is like the historic centre of The Netherlands. We're criticising people who think the solution to being mildly inconvenienced by crossing the streets is to rip everything up, put electric cables and rails everywhere and thinking that it's magically fixed and that everyone is going to like it.

What actually happened:
>"Dude I wish that we didn't have to use a car to do everything, it would be nice to have alternatives to get around."
>"WTF, DUDE YOU HATE FREEDOM YOU FUCKING FAGGOT? I BET YOU THINK ALL TRUMP SUPPORTERS ARE NAZIS, LOSER. YOU WILL NEVER TAKE AWAY MY GOD GIVEN RIGHT AS AN AMERICAN CITIZEN. STAY MAD COMMUNIST!"
>"uh... whatever you say man"
>projecting
Funny how you go from calling me out for "making my mind up" and "making an image in my head" when you've done exactly the same thing two paragraphs later. Rules for thee, much?

Also, since I didn't mention it yet
>crying over negrating
Grow the fuck up. Downvotes are nothing more than pixels on a screen. I haven't taken your child's dinner away from you by calling out your spergy rant as autistic.

You don't get to derail an otherwise productive thread with greentexts, memes, shitposts and insults and then have the audacity to complain when someone throws your shit back at you. Had you been reasonable throughout this thread and offered valid points instead of immediately going "fat hands typed this post" and typing out angry little greentext essays over how you think your opposition believes, you'd have probably got constructive replies. But you didn't, you haven't, and you continue to contribute nothing but noise, so seethe, mald, cope and sneed.

Anyway, I'm going to pipe down before someone else cries for the jannies. If you want to fill this thread with more contrarian textual diarrhea and complaining over negrating, that's on you. If you want to start a parallel thread on A&N like there is for Trump and the Ukraine, again, that's your choice. But 14 pages of discussion in less than a week tells me there's more than a few people decently invested in this, and that it won't be going away any time soon.
 
Right, I forgot to include this in the OP, but NJB more or less approves of the Tyre Extinguishers' "activism" methods:

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The only good thing I can say is that the last tweet says "I completely agree" (that it is "100% super shitty"), but that one phrase falls completely flat when in the rest of the tweets he says "This was inevitable", "This vandalism will escalate into violence as long as people continue to drive [SUVs]", "if governments continue their inaction, it will only get worse", etc. which all pin the blame on the people owning the cars (and governments) and not the people who, you know, are actually doing the violence.

Further, I have no idea why you would expect NJB of all people to denounce or even ignore extremist action when he has such a strong conviction that cars are bad that he and all other urbanists call road accidents "road violence". Once you've categorized something as literal violence in your viewpoint, is it not then morally justified (in your worldview) to use actual violence once the difference between real and imagined violence is erased in your mind? It's the same thing as extremist pro-lifers deciding to attack abortion doctors or abortion clinics, because they truly do see that abortion is murder and violence, and thus find it okay to use violence to prevent what they think is violence. Or trannies who truly believe that misgendering (which is only words and is at worst just verbal harassment) is literal violence, akin to stabbing someone with a knife or putting someone in jail, and thus find nothing wrong with physically attacking or imprisoning someone who used "he" to refer to a "she/her".

It all comes back to the Final Solution to the Car Question. I hate to make Nazi comparisons because obviously banning cars isn't as morally reprehensible as exterminating all the Jews. But come the fuck on, if you keep hearing complaints from people about how cars are bad and they keep finding all these reasons why cars are bad and they make several videos about the problems with cars and they don't denounce or even more-or-less implicitly associate with an entire subreddit dedicated to hating and banning cars, is it really that absurd to conclude "they must want cars banned?" For fucks sake, even NJB complains that there are too many cars in Amsterdam. Like it or not, urbanists trip over themselves trying to answer the Car Question, and for good reason - it's because they want to answer "yes" but don't want to give it away.
Really trying to stretch it there trying to imply approval from NJB for vandalism (Even though he directly says it's not a good thing.). Someone says that consequences of inaction were inevitable is not passive approval. He also does not hate cars. How long are you going to parrot this narrative because someone has a different opinion than yours?

Extremely well said. At the core of all the hours of videos they've produced, all the sentiments they've expressed, all the times they've pretended to support something they'd otherwise have little interest in is for one purpose, and one purpose only: they hate the car, and it kills me that most of them can't simply flat-out admit it. They hate everything it represents. If they could, they'd travel back through time and try to strangle the likes of Henry Ford and Karl Benz with their noodly, soy-filled arms.

And it does not surprise me in the slightest that NJB does indeed endorse that sort of behaviour, but it does lower my personal image of him even further than it already was. Since I'm not huffing his ballsweat every hour of the day, I could not have known this. But of course, it's ultimately a strike for the "lolcow" bin.

Nothing about slashing tyres is "inevitable". Anyone who believes so is an extremist trying to excuse away the more primal monkey-brain parts of your noggin, and you want to force your way of life upon everyone else because you are a fascist tyrant at heart who cannot stand anyone living in a different manner to you.
Once again, projecting. You are a prime example of what happens when you spend too much time in an echo chamber. You have convinced yourself that "Actually he HATES LE CAR" when it is clearly not true. You will continue to be mad at the internet until you stop being a fag.

Also lol that you removed quoting from your autistic rant on terminology. Absolutely seething
 
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