Better Call Saul

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

It ended just about the same as you could imagine lol

 

[Something Awful]

It's gonna be an "Okay, Vince, I guess?" for me.

Vince Gilligan wasn't making the show singlehandedly, the finale was written and directed by Peter Gould (who's been the showrunner for the past three or four seasons).

 

[Hallucinogenic Penguin]

Ending was alright but not as fulfilling as I was hoping. Best part is that this universe has its own definitive ending rather then beating the gloop of a dead horse with what Star Wars, Star Trek, and Capeshit is doing.

We MIGHT get a webisode or two of Sauls life in prison in the future but that’s it. Oddly enough he’s a free man there compared to his life in Omaha. The dude is a living legend among the prisoners and anyone who happens to give him shit is likely to have their prison sentence cut short permanently. He also likely becomes a jailhouse lawyer of sorts too.

So what do you guys think:
A. Saul lives his whole life and dies behind bars.
B. He gets out “early” for good behavior. Early as in Old Man Saul.

 

[DogEatDogFood]

Vince Gilligan wasn't making the show singlehandedly, the finale was written and directed by Peter Gould (who's been the showrunner for the past three or four seasons).

Yeah, it's s just the dumb "Bravo Vince" meme

 

[Pringles Can]

what do you guys think:
A. Saul lives his whole life and dies behind bars.
B. He gets out “early” for good behavior. Early as in Old Man Saul.

Probably B. My thoughts are the reason he took 86 years over 7 was because even if he did get out of jail what would even happen? He would be alone again without kim or any of his old friends/crew, and seeing as Jimmy always goes back to slipping he would have just ended up in the same shit show as he did this time. So to make sure Saul "died" and couldn't do shit he puts himself away for a long time.

Thinking about it like that is what made the ending better for me. Is it stupid? Kinda, but it still made it better for me in the end.

 

[trent]

The mundanity of the ending works because that's exactly how a guy like Saul would get caught.

He'd eventually get bored of the life he was forced to live on the run and would go back to the grift on pure instinct. No going out in a blaze of glory, just keeps going until he inevitably fucks up and gets caught.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

Probably B. My thoughts are the reason he took 86 years over 7 was because even if he did get out of jail what would even happen? He would be alone again without kim or any of his old friends/crew, and seeing as Jimmy always goes back to slipping he would have just ended up in the same shit show as he did this time. So to make sure Saul "died" and couldn't do shit he puts himself away for a long time.

Thinking about it like that is what made the ending better for me. Is it stupid? Kinda, but it still made it better for me in the end.

Tbf that does make sense. A big conflict of the Gene story was Jimmy’s identity crisis. And him having himself as an antagonist has been the conflict since Chuck died. So it all does make sense

I think the problem with the ending it's that is simply too...bland for something as big of a franchise as Breaking Bad. It's exactly what everyone was in denial (me included) of what was going to happen: Jimmy takes the shot and goes to jail. The character scenes with Mike, Walt, and Chuck are not bad, despite being as subtle as a brick to the head, but they feel...unnecessary. Jimmy's redemption feels logical but at the same time, it feels too bland and safe. That's the problem with the whole ending: it's clunky and unbalanced. Even if the characters are compelling and interesting, the story beats are boring and predictable, making the whole experience a bit sour. Ironically, Gilligan and Gould's undoing was what made them so good in the first place: the characters guiding the story instead of the other way around. This is what happens when you take this philosophy too far: the characters are good but the story is shit.


It wasn't that much of a disaster either. The writing wasn't egregiously bad, there are no major plot holes, and there aren't any questionable writing decisions. But at the same time, you don't feel fulfilled. It's gonna be an "Okay, Vince, I guess?" for me.

I agree 100 percent with this. These two shows are great journeys but since they dont take risk with their endings the destination can feel unspecial. The whole sixth season was like this. I was thinking “Nacho and Lalo will probably die” because thats what was signposted and I enjoyed when it happened, they were great scenes but they couldve thrown a curveball and took a risk that either ruined the show or took it to the next level. Nothing risked nothing gained

Is it bad? Does it ruin the show? No and no, but it’s not a rich creamy middle which I look for in an ongoing narrative. Even if the episode itself I enjoyed. The only logical gripe I have is maybe Jimmy kills Saul too easily, but whatever they had one episode to do it so understandable. I dont want a Sopranos or a Better Call Saul, I want all plot points wrapped up and a definitive ending but having it be splashed by a bucket of vagueness to keep you thinking and rewatching. Like weirdly enough Dont Hug Me I’m Scared is the one thing I can think of that ended perfectly with what im looking for and thats weird because its a 2deep2edgy web series

One thing I can say is im glad that every supposed leak and prediction ive seen being fake made me super happy. At least Gene didnt kill a cop , fake his own death or give Kim those diamonds (lol)

 

[CAPTAIN HAPPY]

Out of sheer curiosity, what do yuz guyz think would have made the ending better?
I know there's something, but I can't wrap my head around what that something is.

 

[Hallucinogenic Penguin]

Probably B. My thoughts are the reason he took 86 years over 7 was because even if he did get out of jail what would even happen? He would be alone again without kim or any of his old friends/crew, and seeing as Jimmy always goes back to slipping he would have just ended up in the same shit show as he did this time. So to make sure Saul "died" and couldn't do shit he puts himself away for a long time.

Thinking about it like that is what made the ending better for me. Is it stupid? Kinda, but it still made it better for me in the end.

True. He’s a legit celebrity in prison and surrounded by adoring fans of his who would send anyone who messes with him to Belize in an instant. If anything it’s more of a happy ending then slaving away at Cinnabon.

Also as someone mentioned out without a shadow of a doubt Jeff is doing hard, hard time without the red carpet and adoration of inmates somewhere. Hilarious that not only did Marion send Saul to prison, she sent her own son behind bars for a very very long time. It wouldn’t shock me if she died of a heart attack finding out.

Marion is croaked. Jeff is in misery behind bars for life. Jimmy is basically stuck at personal fan boy Comic-Con hotel.


Side Tip: it will be deeply ironic if in-universe the Breaking Bad movie(you just know there will be one) if Sauls actor is Kevin Cosner.

 

[UmQasaan]

The finale sucked ass and was super forced. Fight me.

Contrarians will never be real women

 

[skippy]

For me the ending of the show was episode 9, "Fun and Games", where Lalo (the time traveler super ninja) and Gus Fring have their final showdown, checkov's gun is used, and my boy Howard Hamlin is fucked over one last time with his dead body disrespected, just like everyone disrespected him in life.

It showed Gus choosing revenge over getting his dick sucked every night in the Rhone valley by a white guy while drinking $100 bottles of wine, Kim destroys everything in her life because women be crazy am i right, and Saul finally takes over Jimmy and has a few years of hookers and breakfast bars to look forward to.

The finale is just an epilogue to show how living in Omaha will destroy anyone.

 

[GuntPunt]

I liked it. When you consider how many shows shit themselves by the ending, its a breath of fresh air to see one stick the landing. Especially since the show was deemed doom to fail from the start on the stigma of being a prequel of a popular show alone.

For me the ending of the show was episode 9,

Unironically there were like 2 endings this season that you could choose if you hate the ending. Him becoming Saul in episode 9, him dropping the scams after Nippy and keep working at Cinnebon forever, or the final ending. Which means even the biggest ending contrarians can still watch the show if they want. Bravo, Vince.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Jesse was always a good guy

Jesse was always a junkie piece of shit drug dealer who wrecked an immeasurable amount of lives and would have been more than happy to keep wrecking them if Daddy Walt had shown him a bit more love.

Jesse was never a good guy.

 

[DogEatDogFood]

It may be my own retarded bias at work, but I'm the only one that feels that Peter and Vince try to present Kim as a better person than she actually is? They try to present her simply as someone who went too far when she fucking ruined Howard's life and got him killed: just straight evil. That's why I never felt sorry for her in any of the Florida scenes: why should I feel bad that an awful person is getting what she deserves (actually a lot less if you think about it)? Vince always mentions that he is surprised that people root for Walt when he does this shit unironically with Kim. This doesn't happen with any other character, where it exists a self-awareness where you can recognize they are awful people that made shitty life choices.

At this point, I'm just rooting for Cheryl to at least win the lawsuit: it's the least she deserves from the sadistic criminal with a god complex that got her husband killed by a cartel member.

 

[Harambe]

It was all right. Wife hated the moralfagging, but I thought it was all right. Someone posted earlier that Kim was his rosebud, the thing he'd give it all up to regain, even for a moment. I thought thtat was probably the thing they were going for and the best explanation for his behavior. Even if their depiction of criminals and prison is a little rosey-minded it's still not a bad ending at all. Just didn't excite like I'd hoped it would.

 

[Punchoboe]

Gretchen: You left me. Newport, 4th of July weekend. You and my father and my brothers, and I go up to our room, and you're packing your bags, barely talking. What? Did I dream all that?

Walt is implied to be an antisemite in that he resents his Jewish partners, named himself after the guy who ran Hitler's nuclear program, then teams up with the Trailer Trash Nazis without a thought. In that scene, he didn't like Gretchen's family having higher status than him, so he got pissed off and left in a huff.

I imagine one of the next spinoff ideas is telling the Grey Matter story, but this would mean having someone else play Walt.

 

[Something Awful]

It may be my own retarded bias at work, but I'm the only one that feels that Peter and Vince try to present Kim as a better person than she actually is? They try to present her simply as someone who went too far when she fucking ruined Howard's life and got him killed: just straight evil.

It's debatable if Kim can be called a "good" person, but calling her "straight evil" does seem to be your own bias. It's not her fault a psychopath showed up at her home and shot Howard in the head.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

Many TV series have a hard time squeezing everything they want to do on their last episodes (hell, even Mad Men), and BCS was no exception.

You'd have a point if one of the major complaints this season hadn't been how much fucking filler there was.

Ah yes. The horrible life he had as a manager of a successful business. Living in freedom. Being able to enjoy a private home and eat nice food, watch movies, go to sporting events. As opposed to the incredible freedoms of an ADX supermax prison? Are you kidding me? He is in the worst possible prison. Literally the most violent Islamic terrorists and drug cartel leaders like El Chapo are in the same prison. That prison is known for even the most hardened criminals killing themselves out of despair.

No, you don't get it, when he was Gene and walking free on the outside, really he was in an INNER prison. Now he might be physically in a real prison, but he has INNER freedom.

Pottery!

Except he could have gone for 7 years and go to therapy but instead chose 87 years and no hope just so he'd get a nod from Kim.

How long in his stretch does he start to really regret coming clean? After a year? two? eight? I'm guessing within a few months he's already launching an appeal saying he had a nervous breakdown and the original terms should be applied and the judge should never have left him speak, etc..

If they do anything else I'll just pretend it doesn't exist, like that retarded Sopranos movie.

Never watched it, never will.

And in the end, he murdered Mike for literally no rational reason at all

Are you kidding? He killed Mike for committing the most grievous sin of all: not sucking Walt's dick good enough. He treated him in a cavalier way one too many times. That's the worst thing you can do to Walt.

 

[AnOminous]

Krazy-8 was either him or his family.

It was still a cold-blooded murder where he had actually talked with the guy face to face and he had to do it in person with his own hands, not with some bullshit contraption. He still had qualms at that point because he had never done it before. He also had to know it was him or his family.

Later it was just getting in his way, and by the end, literally just telling him why he sucked.

 

[DogEatDogFood]

It's debatable if Kim can be called a "good" person, but calling her "straight evil" does seem to be your own bias. It's not her fault a psychopath showed up at her home and shot Howard in the head.

Not Walter White levels of evil of doing reckless shit for the dopamine rush for sure, but pretty evil regardless considering she ruined an innocent person's life just because she thought it was fun. It's hard to be sympathetic to a person who does that for the lulz. It's also her fault considering that she knew that said psychopath was alive and could arrive at their home at any minute. Even the worse shit that Jesse has done was because he had no other option and he was too much into deep shit to go back.