The HBO Max/Discovery Griefing Thread - look how they massacred my boys

MirrorNoir said:
Animation costs way more than live action to make and you need a syndicate (Warner Brothers and their animation subdivisions or Disney's division) to get a show on TV due to animation being ghettoized to a degree that without a major company fronting you, you'll never get on the airwaves let alone promoted.

Also, modern animation these days is a SJW mafia run joint with the Cal Arts gang having set themselves up as gatekeepers for non-adult animation. And the bulk of all modern cartoon showrunners are SJW brand whores.

Case in point, Owl House was run by a lunatic Disney fanatic who explicitly pitched Owl House to Disney because she wanted to her lesbian groomer witch show to be part of the Disney canon of shows produced by them for historical good girl points.

When Owl House got canceled and it began to sink into Dana's head that she done fucked up selling the show to Disney to get it made, that people inside the animation industry (those not part of the Cal Arts clique) started telling her that she brought it on herself because she truly fucking thought that being Alex Hirsch's cum dumpster would have protected her from premature cancellation and infinite unlimited control over her franchise once it ended. And started telling people following her online meltdown that instead of blindly signing the Mouse (or WB) contract, you should self-publish your cartoon in book or comic form first THEN start shopping around your show. Because if you self-publish, you can ensure you have 100% ownership of your creation and then can use the success of self-publishing it to set up a favorable licensing deal with the Mouse or WB to make it into a cartoon and retain ownership of the property in case the show gets canceled.
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she'd be wrong, in most cases she would have to sell the rights outright to those companies or least the media rights still. She maybe able to set up a deal where the rights come back to her after a period of use but she would still not own the original show just the rights to make new ones.

But Disney don't fuck around, if the author of Mary Poppins or Winnie the Pooh couldn't get a deal without losing the media rights, what chance does she have. Hell just look at the The Rocketeer which is based on a comic, Disney still have the media rights to that
 
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Hepativore said:
Most creators do not own their own shows anymore, especially in the animation industry, as they basically have to sign them away in return for getting their shows produced, and this has become standard practice for years now, as most studios that have the budget to produce shows like Infinity Train or Adventure Time have that as standard practice for signing a contract with them.

That is why the 2016 reboot for the Powerpuff Girls and the recent reboot for Animaniacs are such shit, as they were not made by the original creators and they were never even asked for their input.

Can somebody explain to me, on how some show/movie creators like the guy behind Predator were able to negotiate a "use" clause in their contracts, I.e. if their creation is not being used for a certain period of time, the ownership would go back to the original creator, where this is almost unheard of in the animation industry? Is it simply because animators have less bargaining power/leverage when they negotiate with studios or is there more to it than that?

I am not a copyrightfag, so any enlightenment on this would be welcome.
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I was going to make a post but someone else far better explained that animation has a lot more hurdles to get over for creators than other works of media, which is also why the "CalArts" bean mouth look is so dominant these days.
 
Commander X said:
These days crying about LOST MEDIA means "I don't know how to torrent". Oh no, Infinity Train and Mighty Magiswords are lost media...shut up, bitches. Shows like that will forever be archived in great quality while you have vintage animation, including 80s-early 90s anime, that are still stuck on laserdisc until someone decides to rip it and post it to Youtube.

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The Extremely Online Animation Cliques people who spent the past several years kissing corporate buttocks and defending the most artless, lamest, creatively sterile mass production practices in animation since the 80s era of glorified toy commercials are getting what they deserve.

"I wonder why the kingdom of beanmouth cartoons primarily on children's networks but aimed at terminally online neurotic manchildren we've been supporting over the years is crumbling? This cannot be."
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Busterbeam/tactitalfiend I know that's you dumbass stop hiding
 
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Syaoran Li said:
I was going to make a post but someone else far better explained that animation has a lot more hurdles to get over for creators than other works of media, which is also why the "CalArts" bean mouth look is so dominant these days.
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It's also cheaper due to simpler designs, which I'm sure studios love.
 
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I get canceling or not renewing a show but I still don't get why HBO just 100% nuked a ton of of shows off EVERYTHING. Just let that shit up on the harddrives, it can't take up that much space.
 
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I get canceling or not renewing a show but I still don't get why HBO just 100% nuked a ton of of shows off EVERYTHING. Just let that shit up on the harddrives, it can't take up that much space.
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They’d have to pay residuals then.
 
starborn427614 said:
Hearing Owen Dennis say he made like $350 a year voicing one character in Infinity Train and that's about how much it would cost the studio to accidentally buy a chair was rough.
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Trying to make it in voice acting is a rough job. Companies want to hire either big name actors or the exact same VAs that have been around forever and have major egos and some kind of influence in the industry
 
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namelessoracle said:
Serious question. Why do I care about Infinity Train? Gave me standard cartoon network wokeshit vibes and Ive never heard of any actual child watching it.
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Even if you don’t care about the show, it was a fairly popular show, and even without popularity it is really bad to just delete everything and pretend it never exists. Furthermore it sets a negative precedent for many creators who would probably not want to work with Warner/HBO Max since burning bridges like this without telling anyone involved just seems like a bad business decision.

If the creators of these shows were given a heads up and didn’t just find out their work was deleted like everyone else, there would be a small chance that bridges wouldn’t be burnt so badly nor the increasing encouragement of piracy as it would be the only way to watch certain things.

It really is amazing how HBO Max basically pissed off animation enthusiasts in a way that made Netflix look much better in comparison
 
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Doctor of Autism said:
Even if you don’t care about the show, it was a fairly popular show, and even without popularity it is really bad to just delete everything and pretend it never exists. Furthermore it sets a negative precedent for many creators who would probably not want to work with Warner/HBO Max since burning bridges like this without telling anyone involved just seems like a bad business decision.

If the creators of these shows were given a heads up and didn’t just find out their work was deleted like everyone else, there would be a small chance that bridges wouldn’t be burnt so badly nor the increasing encouragement of piracy as it would be the only way to watch certain things.

It really is amazing how HBO Max basically pissed off animation enthusiasts in a way that made Netflix look much better in comparison
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"Fairly popular" citation needed
 
namelessoracle said:
"Fairly popular" citation needed
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I mean the series has at least 1 million fans which is a lot and is doing really well right now in sales, but even regardless of popularity it still is scummy to just drop a series without notifying anyone involved especially given all these shows are likely being dropped in favor of producing more reality tv shows.
 
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Doctor of Autism said:
Even if you don’t care about the show, it was a fairly popular show, and even without popularity it is really bad to just delete everything and pretend it never exists. Furthermore it sets a negative precedent for many creators who would probably not want to work with Warner/HBO Max since burning bridges like this without telling anyone involved just seems like a bad business decision.

If the creators of these shows were given a heads up and didn’t just find out their work was deleted like everyone else, there would be a small chance that bridges wouldn’t be burnt so badly nor the increasing encouragement of piracy as it would be the only way to watch certain things.

It really is amazing how HBO Max basically pissed off animation enthusiasts in a way that made Netflix look much better in comparison
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I wouldn't be shocked if this gets Netflix more animators for them. Since HBO Max screwed them over.
 
Oats12345 said:
But they aren't deleting content.

So where does that leave it Disney?
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Streaming wise not sure Disney is doing much animation that is not based on preexisting ips, only original one I'm aware of is this soccer pixar one however I could be wrong they could have more. But haven't heard anything about Disney channel making less animation.

So my guess will still get new animation kid shows, just will mostly on TV instead of streaming and Warner Bros will be overall making less of them anyway but not stopping.

Does however seem like adult animation does better on streamers, so could see many of animators having to move onto that, also still lots of marketing ads that use 2d animation.
 
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Doctor of Autism said:
I mean the series has at least 1 million fans which is a lot and is doing really well right now in sales, but even regardless of popularity it still is scummy to just drop a series without notifying anyone involved especially given all these shows are likely being dropped in favor of producing more reality tv shows.
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"1 million fans" how is that calculated exactly? Like sold a million dvds?
 
namelessoracle said:
"1 million fans" how is that calculated exactly? Like sold a million dvds?
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I’m just basing it off of YouTube views, TV ratings, sales, and online hype.

Either way it’s pedantic to discuss this since it still is unprofessional to can a product without telling those involved.
 
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From what I have heard, Zazlav does not care about a lot of these properties like Cartoon Network or even these shows. The plan looks like it is to gut all of these networks and sell them off piece by piece.

The resulting backlash he is getting does not mean shit to him as he does not plan on holding on to these rights long term.
 
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Product Placement said:
So my guess will still get new animation kid shows, just will mostly on TV instead of streaming and Warner Bros will be overall making less of them anyway but not stopping.
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Sneedsons (formerly Simps) still number one on Disney+.
 
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