Better Call Saul

[AnOminous]

Saul is literally charged with Hank's death and Gomez's deaths like he was pulling the triggers.

No he wasn't. He was charged as an accessory after the fact. They explicitly said that.

 

[UnKillFill]

No he wasn't. He was charged as an accessory after the fact. They explicitly said that.

And yet Kim wasn't charged for all of the deaths that she was an accessory to after the fact... Even though she really should have been. Funny how that works.

 

[Lensherr]

Everyone knew Walt had an M60 before the finale. It was predictable that he would literally use the machine gun for some huge moment the second that the premier showed it in his trunk. The Nazis gunned down Hank against Walt's orders. So Walt will gun them down in revenge. Almost everyone predicted that Walt would gun down the Nazis and Jesse would survive because he would be chained in the underground cell. The gun was shown. It was a machine gun. It was used in the typical machine gun fashion. To shoot a lot of bullets into a lot of people.

Subverting expectations would have been Walt getting pulled over for a busted taillight and then getting arrested for having an M60 in his trunk. And that being the end of the show. Or if Walt crashed his car in the desert and died of cancer halfway to ABQ or whatever. Or if Walt pressed the button for the M60 and it jammed after the first round and the Nazis beat him to death on the spot.

You know like that one show with the shit ending? Where they kept showing these diamonds over and over again? And cutting diamond related promos with the main character? And having music songs themed around diamonds? Only for the main character to stupidly drop the diamonds in a dumpster instead of handling them like a normal person would have. Like that level of subverting expectations.

An unexpected ending is fine. Saul betraying Kim. Or Kim betraying Saul would have been fine and in character for both of them. Saul killing himself like Chuck would have been shocking for the BB universe but fine. Saul simping for Kim and taking ten times the punishment the FBI recommended for him was ridiculous. Kim magically getting off the hook was also absurd when she was an accessory after the fact for multiple murders. The FBI pins the entire Salamanca and Fring and Heisenberg cartels on a goofy lawyer operating out of a shopping center. Saul is literally charged with Hank's death and Gomez's deaths like he was pulling the triggers.

The ending was absurd on so many levels. Saul should have tied Marion up and taken her life monitor from her. Fled with his diamonds and other money from his stolen identities. And maybe not told people he was "Saul Goodman" two weeks into his new identity like a moron. The fact that he allows her to basically call 911 while he just stands there like a complete idiot was farcical. And Saul had already used the disappearing service once so he was practiced. And he saw Jesse screw it up as well and knew to handle things safely.

So basically, show bad because characters don't act like perfect robots who always make the most rational choice available to them/do what you'd do in their situation.

 

[AnOminous]

And yet Kim wasn't charged for all of the deaths that she was an accessory to after the fact... Even though she really should have been. Funny how that works.

Like who? Howard? Accessory after the fact is when you assist the perpetrator after the crime occurs. I'm pretty sure Kim was not trying to help Lalo.

 

[TheHarbinger]

Like who? Howard? Accessory after the fact is when you assist the perpetrator after the crime occurs. I'm pretty sure Kim was not trying to help Lalo.

Do you even watch the show or do you just live to suck Vince Gillian off? Your definition of "accessory after the fact" is even wrong. Being correct is not a high priority for BCS fans apparently so you probably do not care. You are like the thought police for anyone who points out a flaw in the writing. We get it. You like the show no matter what.

An accessory-after-the-fact is someone who assists 1) someone who has committed a crime, 2) after the person has committed the crime, 3) with knowledge that the person committed the crime, and 4) with the intent to help the person avoid arrest or punishment.

Kim knew Lalo was a guilty cartel member, of murder, and visits him in prison knowing he committed murder of an entirely innocent civilian. She helps him escape prison under a false name so that he can resume his cartel crimes because she is worried about Jimmy. Rather than go to police she goes to the cartel. She knows that Lalo was alive and in America after his escape from Fring's assassins and back in America looking to create more violence because Mike warns her. She knows that he killed Howard because she witnessed it. She helps cover it all up rather than ever go to the authorities. She covers up Lalo's relationships to Gus Fring and Mike. Which hides from the authorities that Gus and Madrigal are into drugs. And that a former parking attendant at the courthouse and corrupt cop wanted for murder is a cartel enforcer now who has ties to Madrigal being an on file employee. She could have brought down Fring and Madrigal with her own testimony. Well before Walt had cancer even.

Kim knew literally as much as Jimmy about Gus's operations. She had multiple opportunities to turn Lalo in to the police. She did not. She had opportunity to turn Gus and Mike into police. She did not. She had the opportunity to expose Gus Fring, DEA fun run sponsor, as being a cartel head. Which would have prevented who knows how many deaths. She did not. And she kept those secrets hidden so that Gus, Mike, and even Jimmy could have criminal careers. She is literally told flat out by Mike, Fring, and even Lalo that Fring is into the cartel. She does not report any of this but instead chooses to move to Florida. And then finally when Walt has wiped everyone out including himself she throws Jimmy under the bus to make herself feel better.

Kim is basically on the hook for as many felonies as Saul. Or at least she should have been. Kim would have been charged as an accessory to literally hundreds of felonies and gotten life in jail. Jimmy as well without a plea deal. The writing was just abysmal.

 

[AnOminous]

Do you even watch the show or do you just live to suck Vince Gillian off? Your definition of "accessory after the fact" is even wrong. Being correct is not a high priority for BCS fans apparently so you probably do not care. You are like the thought police for anyone who points out a flaw in the writing. We get it. You like the show no matter what.

An accessory-after-the-fact is someone who assists 1) someone who has committed a crime, 2) after the person has committed the crime, 3) with knowledge that the person committed the crime, and 4) with the intent to help the person avoid arrest or punishment.

I was talking about Hamlin you fucking sped. Did the feds even mention any other dealings with him?

 

[UnKillFill]

I was talking about Hamlin you fucking sped. Did the feds even mention any other dealings with him?

I'm not even going to question your legal credentials. I've seen you show them before, and I trust you there. Perhaps I misspoke.

I'm curious though... Do you seriously think that Kim didn't deserve *any* jail time at all?

I'm not even remotely qualified to judge her for it, but I think she did.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm not even going to question your legal credentials. I've seen you show them before, and I trust you there. Perhaps I misspoke.

I'm curious though... Do you seriously think that Kim didn't deserve *any* jail time at all?

Definitely not. Conspiring to move Hamlin's body was at the very least obstruction of justice and destruction of evidence or at least conspiracy to do that. They didn't exactly come up with the idea but they certainly cooperated with it. It just wasn't accessory after the fact to murder because it wasn't intended to assist the perpetrator, but exactly the opposite, and in fact he ended up in the same grave on the same day.

Their "pranks" against Hamlin were probably criminal too, and involved the actual actions and conspiracy to commit them. Just the cocaine (assuming it was cocaine) was either a crime involving a controlled substance or an attempt to frame someone for the same (which might or might not be federal).

 

[kidatari]

loved Breaking Bad and enjoyed the sequel El Camino
but I never had interest in a prequel to BB, so, I never watched Better Call Saul

But the last season, clips, reviews, etc. have been showing up on my Youtube Feed
And I noticed the last season takes place after Breaking Bad, which I'm very interested in watching

So, without getting into any spoilers
which Episodes take place about during the end after of BB?

 

[AnOminous]

loved Breaking Bad and enjoyed the sequel El Camino
but I never had interest in a prequel to BB, so, I never watched Better Call Saul

But the last season, clips, reviews, etc. have been showing up on my Youtube Feed
And I noticed the last season takes place after Breaking Bad, which I'm very interested in watching

So, without getting into any spoilers
which Episodes take place about during the end after of BB?

Sadly, the post-BB episodes had a couple of the worst episodes in the series.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

So, without getting into any spoilers
which Episodes take place about during the end after of BB?

Don't watch them. At all.

If you watch Better Call Saul, stop at S06E09. Do not watch the last 4 episodes. The last 4 episodes are GoT Season 8 bad. The rest of Season 6 is Season 5 GoT good, and BCS from Season 2 to Season 5 might be even better than BB, or at least rival it.

 

[UnKillFill]

 

[God of Nothing]

I'm rewatching the series after rewatching Breaking Bad. I forgot how much of a cunt Chuck was. Imagine hating your brother so much you develop an extreme mental aversion to electricity because it's what gave him his law degree. Hell, 'it's for your own good.' Yeah, I'm pretty sure losing a job, being estranged from his friends, and being fucked like that was good. Of course, we all know where that lead down.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I'm down to the end of Season 5A. I forgot just how fucking great Breaking Bad was. I have a hard time believing I thought that BCS was somehow better. Holy shit what a show.

I mean I'll give BCS a rewatch after I guess, but I don't see it topping BCS after everything is said and done.

Edit: That prison stabbing scene is just chef's kiss.

 

[AnOminous]

I'm down to the end of Season 5A. I forgot just how fucking great Breaking Bad was. I have a hard time believing I thought that BCS was somehow better. Holy shit what a show.

I mean I'll give BCS a rewatch after I guess, but I don't see it topping BCS after everything is said and done.

Edit: That prison stabbing scene is just chef's kiss.

That episode had three phenomenal songs in it.

There have been better song placements (like the obvious "Baby Blue" from the ending) but not a better set.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

The only musical moment that was missing is for when Hank discovered Walter was Heisenberg while shitting. Someone should re-edit that moment with either yakety sax or curb your enthusiasm playing over the credits.

 

[Kharash]

The only musical moment that was missing is for when Hank discovered Walter was Heisenberg while shitting. Someone should re-edit that moment with either yakety sax or curb your enthusiasm playing over the credits.

To be fair you have to avoid the Sons of Anarchy problem where every single episode starts and ends with a 5 minute music montage.
Man, what a train wreck that was.

 

[Internet War Criminal]

I have to say, this rewatch gave me a lot more sympathy for Walt than I had the second way around.

There are four episodes left, and despite Jesse almost burning his house down and saying he wants to kill him, Walt still thinks he can talk it out with him, that he can still just convince him to see his ways, and he absolutely refuses the idea that Jesse might have to get killed. He literally gets offended and angry at the idea when it's brought both by Saul and his own wife.

As much as an asshole as he was, he genuinely cared for Jesse.

He also genuinely cared for Hank. He's ready, on the spot, to give over $80m and to cook to save Hank's life. He's genuinely shattered when he's killed, too. He's literally catatonic and stays maybe a couple of hours in the same position without moving.

Yeah, he did dickish things, and there's no excuse for the killing of Mike and his men aside from the fact that snitches get stitches. .

He only finally gives up on Jesse (in the heat of the moment) because he considers him responsible for getting Hank killed and having $70m+ robbed by the bikers on top of snitching instead of being a man and talking face to face. Which is understandable.

 

[BetterFuckChuck]

I was listening to the insider podcast and reading some interviews about Nippy and wondering if it would be any different. Gould said itd "be a different string of episodes with Don" but Gilligan says "we always had the idea that the most logical place to take this would be that Jeff himself wasnt the danger but someone connected to him would be Gene's downfall". So is Gould just saying an autistic way of praising Healy's acting or would they be different? I can't imagine much would be different, for example it was always conditioning (I think that was the word) the viewer in those black and white segments that Saul would come back but maybe in the last four episodes Jeff would've been more proactive in seaking Saul out again after the phone call with Kim to do more heists? Food for thought

Don't watch them. At all.

If you watch Better Call Saul, stop at S06E09. Do not watch the last 4 episodes. The last 4 episodes are GoT Season 8 bad. The rest of Season 6 is Season 5 GoT good, and BCS from Season 2 to Season 5 might be even better than BB, or at least rival it.

I love the idea of you watching Gene play keepaway with a Cinnabon and getting as pants-shittingly angry as old women were at Daenarys being a murderer

 

[UnKillFill]