What a thread, Mark! /10 pre-emptively, since I'll need some time to read all that.
Like the idea, no joke. Might even contribute one day. It's a question of finding a suitable material. But from the top of my head I can remember only two things, and I doubt if both of these would fit.
First one is a comic made by russian feds for children. I've red the first chapter, and it was one of the most sterile and boring things I've ever red. It's like one or two steps above PSAs, not the funny ones like US had in the 90-s, but the boring ones. So, I'm on the fence with this one. Kiwis outside of the slav-sphere might find it exotic.
Second one is about some aliens and Jesus. I remember stumbling upon one panel of it and finding it quite hillarious. Saved that pannel, but can't find it right now. Only recall a line about "Whose bodies were jewish. And whose hearts were not!" with aliens in the background. Maybe it's time to find it. But, do aliens count?
I'm too lazy to re-read the former & haven't read the latter, but are Associated Student Bodies and its babyfur parody Incontinent Student Bodies worth a thread deep dive?
ASB was a pretty omnipresent gay coming-of-age story in its time that deals with a christian fundie dad & how all gays are pretty rapey & just having sex all the time. But it was wholesome of course.
I'm too lazy to re-read the former & haven't read the latter, but are Associated Student Bodies and its babyfur parody Incontinent Student Bodies worth a thread deep dive?
ASB was a pretty omnipresent gay coming-of-age story in its time that deals with a christian fundie dad & how all gays are pretty rapey & just having sex all the time. But it was wholesome of course.
I've actually went to find that comic with furry aliens and christianity. And I found it. But actually looking at it makes me think it should be retracted, because it's just retells the story of saint Paul. With aliens, but the story itself seems mostly unmodified. It's even called "Paul the Apostle: Graphic Story Bible"
The most entertainment can be gained from randomly looking at pages without context. Like this one, which has a futuristic-ass floppa and a war craft III Gul Dan impersonator calling each other improper jews.
It should have more bangers like this, but that's about it to this thing. If somebody had high hopes from reading my previous post, I'm sorry and I'll find something more original.
@Coffee Druid if you seek some furry books, I can recommend looking at Spellsinger series by Alan Dean Foster. I don't think it was banned anywhere, but it starts with protagonist being teleported to a world full of anthropomorfic animals because he was high on weed, and his first accomplishment there is getting stabbed. Was mildly entertaining all the years back when I've red it. Not knowing what furries are also helped.
I've actually went to find that comic with furry aliens and christianity. And I found it. But actually looking at it makes me think it should be retracted, because it's just retells the story of saint Paul. With aliens, but the story itself seems mostly unmodified. It's even called "Paul the Apostle: Graphic Story Bible"
The most entertainment can be gained from randomly looking at pages without context. Like this one, which has a futuristic-ass floppa and a war craft III Gul Dan impersonator calling each other improper jews.
It should have more bangers like this, but that's about it to this thing. If somebody had high hopes from reading my previous post, I'm sorry and I'll find something more original.
@Coffee Druid if you seek some furry books, I can recommend looking at Spellsinger series by Alan Dean Foster. I don't think it was banned anywhere, but it starts with protagonist being teleported to a world full of anthropomorfic animals because he was high on weed, and his first accomplishment there is getting stabbed. Was mildly entertaining all the years back when I've red it. Not knowing what furries are also helped.
Really hoped it would have gone down the path of blaming Jews for the death of Jesus or become highly pedantic with Judaism itself (or get into the whole weird thing around the Pharisees) but appears its just a bible story for kids.
This post was made via the collaboration of @who dare wins? , @Roxanne Wolf & @The hello hello man and due to it's length, will be reviewed in segments of 20 pages per reviewer / 60 pages per part.
Now, we all know about diaper fetishism. However, do you want to see it mixed with PTSD, war veterans, Epstein-like mansions and several outright psychotic individuals? Well, look no further, since an obese woman from the united kingdom decided to mix these all up into one giant storyline consisting of over 400 pages which is currently ongoing as of nearly a decade As such, this post will have addendums done to it as the story progresses (only in major ways, no filler).
A bit of background here, babystar is around her mid-40s or so, living in the united kingdom (somewhere around Scotland) and appears to generally live off of the partner she has (which is unknown as of writing this) since she does not do much besides going to gigs and playing the guitar in her children's clothes.
Starts with a character named Star ( as self insert) who sees a man and a woman wearing diaper stuff in public, stalks them and then gets the number off of one of them
[*]she discovers what diaper fetishism is and begins to develop a liking for it while juggling her job as being a wagie cagie for the British army
[*]she comes over to the place of the two she met up with, and begins to do diaper stuff over there
[*]they then go to a meetup where she decides to take drugs to piss herself and be a bitch and ends up meeting her fucking NCO at the same meet who tries to blackmail her
[*]meets up with another man who turns out to be a punk band lead, she meets his sidekick
[*]she goes back to base where now everyone knows she is a diaperfur but takes it as a weird sort of joke
[*]she then goes back to the band guy who is her "unka" and her "auntie" turns out to be a troon
[*]they go to an aquarium
I will start my slice of this review installment by saying that I will be much less impartial than I have been in previous reviews here in the KCBC - my philosophy to get through this is that if you're not laughing, you're crying and soon you eager readers will see why. To kick off this feverdreamnightmarenightterrorsleep paralysis demon...piece of literature still in the making, it would lead you to believe it starts off innocent enough - we have our adult female lynx protagonist AND self-insert, Star sitting at a rather fru fru café, working on a laptop. As the first page of the comic is introduced, we are told by a narrator:
"It has been often said...that everyone in this world has at least one secret to hide...and that some folk have much bigger secrets than others..."
Translation: "Buckle the fuck up, I'm waving all the red flags I can and if you choose to continue, that's on you."
In page two we are greeted with our first of many examples of public degeneracy - as the door to the café chimes with new customers Star can't help but notice the particular attire of one of the customers. A male...mammal (your guess to the species is as good as mine) with a yellow/pink fur pattern, a long braided rat tail, pacifier clipped to his shirt and diaper peeking out the top of his jeans walks in and proceeds to beg for a chocolate milkshake like a retarded child to "Manda" not yet seen by the reader.
The fact star notices the diaper instead of the pacifier and long braided rattail tells you where her focus lies:
Next page we move on to Manda, a female gray/brown feline telling the adult tard if she did get the male sparklemammal a milkshake, he wouldn't need his bib. This appears to flabbergast the clerk behind the counter.
Side note: A lot of the colorful characters you'll see in this zany zine are cameos - people that paid Samantha Sweetland, the author to be in this comic. I suppose leeching off the NHS just doesn't provide her the diapers she prefers, and will milk this comic and the others she runs for all they're worth. You're probably asking why the fuck anyone would pay for... well, any of this - the answer is cult following, lest we forget the Great Metokur SpergWar,
Getting back on track, Manda places the order for her and the sparklemammal, annunciating that the chocolate milkshake is for her BABY. They take their seat all while Star tries to inconspicuously get more details about what the adult tard is wearing - only now seeing the pacifier. She sadly thinks to herself that maybe he's doing it as a dare or because he lost a bet - she shouldn't jump to conclusions.
As the couple composed of the female feline and tardmammal eat - more specifically Manda feeding the manbaby and playfully accosting him for his lack of manners, Star gets ready to take her leave. As she stands and walks past the couple, she notices that Manda too appears to be in a diaper under her plants. Just as she passes them, her and the mantard lock eyes.
Star apparently has been caught staring (though not in disgust like a normal person would) she quickly apologizes and takes her leave quickly and awkwardly. The couple remark about how strange she was while Star beats herself up as she walks away:
Having not made enough of an ass out of herself, Star decides to hang around inconspicuously - she thinks to herself that she can't miss the chance to be honest with them. As the couple exit, the male, now in a normal non retarded voice asks Manda where they're going next. Manda tells the male it's a surprise, then shoves his pacifier in his mouth. In public, no less. Star trails the couple while thinking to herself she must be mad for doing this.
If I may interject, I will have to agree with Star. What she is doing is planning to touch the cows, and around these parts that is very much frowned upon as they are haram
Anyways, the story now devolves into an odd game of cat and mouse - the couple know Star is following her and get her to follow them into a toy store.
That's right, just where you'd want to see an adult man with a pacifier in his mouth - among children
Star looks through the window of the toy store the couple went in - "Dear Lord!!" she exclaims. At this point I thought that we'd be seeing someone get added to the sex offender registry in real time, but in the fantasy of this story, it's absolute pandemonium with kids running rampant - a great representing of the lack of parenting of britbongs. Also more cameos, more money for what the NHS doesn't cover in fetish items.
Star decides to wait out the couple in the store instead of going in (probably for legal reasons) when the couple leaves, the mantard now with a big stuffed fox and pacifier still in maw. Star decides to commit to her plan:
Operation Touch The Cows is a go - and it starts with Star timidly getting their attention. Star fumbles for words t explain as to why she stalked them, only for Manda to tell her to spit it out. Star grills them as to what they are wearing - and why? A bet? No. A dare? Nope. For (pleasure)? Manda understands that one well. Manda tells Star they should go somewhere more private for a chat.
Manda writes down her name, number and the websites "crinklebutz.com" & "cubdaze.net" with the note "Take a chance kitten" painful narration ensues:
Star is shown back in her apartment after her caboodle with the cub creeps, Star is greeted by her roommate Elly who is a red/white female fox. Elly excitedly badgers Star about the café, only for star to tease her about her about her eagerness. Elly plates Star a meal, and Star tells Elly about the café. Turns out Elly uses star to get an eye on the competition, as she is a local barista. As they're talking, a small brown puppy (in a diaper, no less) steals a piece of Star's meat. This puppy's name is Fee.
Kiwis, this is where it gets good. The little puppy I mentioned by the name of Fee? That is a cameo for Fiona Brown, the "mommy" of the AC troon Aimee Challenor.
There truly is no rest for the wicked.
More discussion goes on about the behavior of Fee, how she needs to be enrolled in obedience school, how Fee "terrorized" Elly's cat, China and their plans for the evening. Star goes off to browse the websites she was recommended by Manda only for her to attract the sex pests that make up the community she was trolling after on Operation Touch The Cows. After blocking the myriad of sex pests, she things she made a mistake.
Trying to join a heard of mad cows who piss and shit themselves for pleasure is a mistake, any reasonable person can see that. Star then retreats for movie night. This page is full of chit chat and inner monologue about how maybe going to join the heard isn't a bad ideal - they both seemed intelligent.
One of them was LARPing as a fucking retarded manchild. What the fuck are you going about, Star?
She then asks herself if she is a sick pervert. THEY WENT INTO A STORE FULL OF CHILDREN WHILE ONE OF THEM WAS IN FETISH GEAR, YES THAT MAKES YOU A PEDO BY ASSOCIATION.
Anyways, she excuses herself to go to bed, only to check out the second website she was recommended by Manda:
Page 15, we see Star waking up late - breakfast is laid out by Elly already who tells Star she looks terrible. Star rushes through breakfast and gets in uniform to work on base.
A military base.
Please see the link to Samantha's thread, take ONE look at her and tell me she is military material.
If you do you're getting a Dumb rating from me.
Star hustles through the bustle of her workplace where we see a handful of the interpersonal relationships she has with other characters:
TLDR of page 16:
Star has the gate guard Misty bribed with a half-eaten bar of chocolate to make sure her time card looks good.
[*]Yuri, a chairforce worker briefs her on a meeting she's going into.
[*]Her boss is assumed to be an asshole.
In the next page our suspicions are correct, her superior officer, Marrelis appears to be a hardass. Also, it is hinted that our Corporal Star came into this military work due to her lineage and shining recommendation. Please go back to her thread, scroll down a lil more and meet back up here after you've gotten the lulz as to how hard Samantha is coping that she is an unproductive member of society.
Also, do remember this Marrelis character - he's an important one.
Moving on, after bullshitting with Yuri about their hardass boss, Star feels the need to call Manda AT WORK. Straight off the bat Manda starts to talk down to her like a child, not in a bad way but in a way unbecoming of someone on the clock for the TERF Island military, no less. Star gets butterflies about being referred to as "kitten" (Oh if Discord was a thing when this shit came out) and makes plans to meet them later in the evening.
After work Star is seen in martial arts training with Yuri, discussing how Marrelis was being unusually calm with Star:
The more and more Star portrays her self-insert as a kind of superwoman is fucking painful in the fact that it is one giant cope for the life she had a chance to live, but never will. Instead of leaving a legacy of a great career and a fast lifestyle, she traded it for diapers and leeching. Disgraceful.
Now onto my last page - Star gets home from work to find Elly and her boyfriend playing video games. Star tells them she is just popping in to changes clothes for a night out - when out and nearing the location of Operation Join (Cow) Heard she passes by a female ursine who wishes her a good evening, calling her kitten...
Panel 20 opens with Star walking into her own house to change her clothes, stopping to say hi to her friends and dog along the way. Subsequently she arrives at Manda’s place, where she’s called “kitten” by a stranger leaving the house.
Next she arrives at the front door of Manda’s house. She’s greeted politely before being met with the shocking and appalling image of Lure, in full ABDL getup. This sight is made even worse for the viewer on virtue of being drawn in Babystar’s horrifically uncanny art-style. Star is then offered refreshments by Manda, specifying that juice is “only for babies” Which prompts a full on mental dilemma in Star. You know the drill, she wants to say juice because she wants to be a baby but her embarrassment kicks in and stops her.
Subsequently Star asks Manda how she met Lure, giving an explanation that he was a cashier and that she gave him her number. The only really notable part of this page are the comically bad close-ups on the faces at the end.
In the following pages Manda gives some more backstory on Lure, including how she found out about his baby fetish saying she “dragged it out of him” and gives Star a diaper. (nothing questionable there, eh) Manda encourages Star to try it on, which of course she does. Star finds herself, because this is an ABDL comic, enjoying it greatly.
The comic proceeds with Star being unable to put her pants back on over the diaper. And by now you know the drill “Oh how embarrassing but also hot” Star explains the situation and gets some clothes that will work with the diaper. After putting on a short dress Star briefly contemplates the morality of being a grown adult woman dressing and acting like a baby, even thinking things like “it’s just wrong” But of course the intended messaging concludes that it’s fine because it’s very exciting for her. Would anyone expect anything different at this point?
Star, however continues to be embarrassed and Manda reassures her that she is in a safe space. They walk back into the living room and she’s reintroduced to Lure. They begin to act like babies and Star starts beginning to enjoy herself. Star expounds about how she’s never felt “so much completely like myself before” and Star is now refused her coffee and given a bottle of juice as well as having her socks replaced with baby “booties”.
In the next page Star is allowed to play with Lure’s transformer, she says that it should be easy for her because she works for machinery and for “comical” effect she ends up breaking it. What a real knee slapper.
Star yet again gets embarrassed over this mishap, and is shocked when Manda invites her back for another day.
Star gets changed and thanks Manda for the service. Before Star can leave however Manda mentions “punishment” that Star will have to undergo because she broke Lure’s toy. Star is flustered and a bit confused of course, but Manda gives her the option of either getting a spanking (of course the sexuality of which is played up a bit) or sucking a pacifier all the way home. And because this is a babyfur comic and because of course she likes it Star decides to take the pacifier instead of just leaving and going home.
So Star gets her pacifier, forgets to fix her hair, and leaves. Planning to come back on Friday. On the way home she briefly bumps into another person and falls, dropping her pacifier. She is of course embarrassed by this and quickly grabs it before running off in a manner I believe was intended to be comical.
She gets home, and is complimented by her roommate about her hair. She comes up with an excuse about losing a poker bet and hits the hay.
The next page is a positively repulsive scene of star masturbating to the idea of Manda punishing her, treating her like a baby, really feeling like one. Made all the worse by the abhorrent art.
And we end my stretch of the comic with a flashback to Star’s past. Because of course there’s something deep seated there. (Surely not a reflection on the Author)
Now we are at the inner mind of Star, who is currently having a pretty normal dream (for a diapershitter) about her brothers, mucking around at the top of the steps and sort of having an explainer of who they are and their personalities within said dream, only when she is thrown down the stairs as a part of a prank, she ends up getting picked up not by her mother, but rather by Amanda, her outright sociopathic "mommy" and starts being nurtured and cared for, which then leads to Star waking up blushing and overall being quite sexually invigorated.
Nothing of note really is to add, besides the bizarre attitude she has to this dream, then again Star is a self insert and as such these feelings more or less reflected how she would feel in a truly fetishistic hedonist setting.
Pages 43-47
The comic now moves onto her waking up, with her going into the kitchen where her roommate is, having a quick conversation and noted that she is "leaving early" and begins her subsequent travel to her workplace (admin on a Armybase, presumably somewhere within Scotland) where her mind begins to slowly wander away from normal thinking into "how good it feels to be babied". I do not think a psychological analyses paper written by even the best psych profilers in Quantico or any university in the world can truly begin to even describe the sheer mental and physical anguish of reading the following below. Also the snide remark of "I have truly let pandora out toe box", well, it is not pandora, I would argue it is the gates of Hades.
After this she subsequently arrives, being late and talking to her sterotypical russian brother in arms at the base, where she is then yelled into the office of her NCO (foreshadowing a bit here but he is the sort of antagonist of the story) and he repreimands her for her tardy attitude. Although he does say her VIP work was outstanding, the only real issue however is that this would likely not occur in real life since the recommendation would have been put through and a punishment of some sort would have already been put in place for such attitudes.
After this, she then goes to Titch, to give a proposition to him, specifically to work on the weekend shift for her because of her ulterior motives of wanting to shit and piss herself like a fucking degenerate, however he pushes back demanding something in return. Eventually a bet is made, and the two go down to a local pub after work to then play a game of Poker. this game results in Titch winning, and he subsequently tells her to change her hair dye and be nice to her NCO. She accepts the later half of the dare but not the first (there is something very significant about the hair which is explained about 100 pages after this) and eventually he then dares her to kiss the bartender. Just before she does, a general comes down, which leads to some weird dialogue relating to her "being like a child" that I honestly find outright disturbing. After this the bartender explains they were cheating, she is mad, but they hatch a plan and decide to play up the prank so as to get back at them.
After this we then get what I would describe as outright horny bait, full on sexual enthrallment and a weird jab at men in general, honestly some real autistic no social awareness stuff right after kissing the bartender.
After this, she gets paid by the bartender and starts her walk home, where she begins thinking about how bad it is she cannot literally shit and piss her pants like a fucking weirdo :[ however she does what is called a "sigma male" move these days and mans the fuck up.
Pages 58-60
After this, she goes home to sleep, where she has a dream where her house is on fire, however this is a outright fever dream where they are standing outside of the apartment and turns out she still has her little dolly in her mouth, with the page following being nothing short of terrifying.
And that is it folks, that is what we currently have! This comic is extremely long so expect some pages may be left out due to how much content there is involved in these sorts of posts and (probably not) weekly updates of this until we reach the most recent page or something along those lines. Nothing more to add than to respect your parents, limit your time on your damn phone and maybe consider a conversion to Islam after this. I think any person would rather be in a prayer hall than reading this.
I remember that there was much sneeding and bemusement on /trash/ because this thing had a terminal case of vid related.
For reference: at one point they're at a party that takes 2 years in realtime.
What didn't help matters was all the creepy shit with the boss that the author had to unsubtly pivot away from because it was even weirding out the fans.
Holy Christ, I remember hearing about this broad with the whole Metokur thing years ago, but I didn’t realize there was this much backstory to her insanity.
One quick look at her FA and I’m seeing the most recent page to this dumpster fire is numbered 453……so good luck that, better you than me.
I remember that there was much sneeding and bemusement on /trash/ because this thing had a terminal case of vid related.
For reference: at one point they're at a party that takes 2 years in realtime.
What didn't help matters was all the creepy shit with the boss that the author had to unsubtly pivot away from because it was even weirding out the fans.
this is in relation to shine yes? I remember the whole party saga lasts about 100-150 pages and oh boy that was a fun read. Later on in the comic there is a weird thing where the boss is just literally [REDACTED] and somehow is forgiven for his actions.
Here’s a short comic strip, accidentally saying the quiet part out loud and joking about how minors get groomed into becoming gay porn addicts at the hands of degenerates.
Feel free to post them here and now! I'm in the midst of college but if they're interesting and I have the time I could plan for it - or someone else might beat me to it if they feel so inclined
I can't seem to reply to the main post on Corrosion. On the one hand it's great that there are people who try to fight troonery even through their own hypersexual autistic delirium. On the other hand, you have to feel sorry for them for not recognizing that the spirit of T is already present in LGB, and is only a more severe manifestation. All the "femboy" spaces went trans for a reason. It's all about that same vanity-affirming emotional high, whether they stroke their egos sexually or otherwise. It's the same "euphoria".
Even in the most charitable case, like Zen's character, homosexuality is not the way to go to have physical and spiritual union. It reinforces a false anthropology where man is fundamentally and primarily a ritually-sexual being; that deep down we're really a Mars or Venus (which is ritually what we become through sex as practiced today) only pretending to be men and women in our day-to-day, and that intimacy is achieved by casting off our disguises and becoming gods together.
The reality is that man is a ritually-liturgical being. We do become one physically (through the shared body and blood), spiritually (through the liturgy), and we do eventually become gods (by grace). All of this was already available without degrading, grooming and disfiguring ourselves and opening the door for the thing behind T to come in.
Obviously I'm not expecting you to agree off the bat that my assertions here are true, but the point is that LGB itself, like T, is a system of ritual initiation; the purpose and function of initiatory ritual systems is to transform a person and their perceptions/paradigm. My point is that what LGB, in it's most charitably interpreted form, intends to accomplish in the domain of human intimacy and love is better accomplished (and with less horrible side effects) by other systems of ritual initiation. There's a tremendous lack of creativity among furries in this area, although there are some promising developments among the transformation and potentially vore sectors, should they drop the power-dynamic and sexual aspects. That's likely a pipe-dream, though.
I can't seem to reply to the main post on Corrosion. On the one hand it's great that there are people who try to fight troonery even through their own hypersexual autistic delirium. On the other hand, you have to feel sorry for them for not recognizing that the spirit of T is already present in LGB, and is only a more severe manifestation. All the "femboy" spaces went trans for a reason. It's all about that same vanity-affirming emotional high, whether they stroke their egos sexually or otherwise. It's the same "euphoria".
Even in the most charitable case, like Zen's character, homosexuality is not the way to go to have physical and spiritual union. It reinforces a false anthropology where man is fundamentally and primarily a ritually-sexual being; that deep down we're really a Mars or Venus (which is ritually what we become through sex as practiced today) only pretending to be men and women in our day-to-day, and that intimacy is achieved by casting off our disguises and becoming gods together.
The reality is that man is a ritually-liturgical being. We do become one physically (through the shared body and blood), spiritually (through the liturgy), and we do eventually become gods (by grace). All of this was already available without degrading, grooming and disfiguring ourselves and opening the door for the thing behind T to come in.
Obviously I'm not expecting you to agree off the bat that my assertions here are true, but the point is that LGB itself, like T, is a system of ritual initiation; the purpose and function of initiatory ritual systems is to transform a person and their perceptions/paradigm. My point is that what LGB, in it's most charitably interpreted form, intends to accomplish in the domain of human intimacy and love is better accomplished (and with less horrible side effects) by other systems of ritual initiation. There's a tremendous lack of creativity among furries in this area, although there are some promising developments among the transformation and potentially vore sectors, should they drop the power-dynamic and sexual aspects. That's likely a pipe-dream, though.
Dude, I think you're somewhat mixing-up gays and LGBT. Gays are attracted to other men. That's kinda all there is to it. It happens, it does not somehow undermine personal agency, and there are much worse things that can happen to somebody. LGBT is a group of organisations, funds, activists, etc, who stand for the rights of sexual minorities. Some of them might still be doing this, but many went to continue a perpetuating cycle of struggle. Why? Because people don't need those glorious strugglers for rights that are already achieved. It's much easier to not actually solve problems, and getting paid for it continuously. Or monetise it in social or political capital. That's not important. Important thing is they're here to pretend-solving problems, or even invent new ones, where old ones aren't enough. Not unlike a Church, I'd say. I won't deny its role in creating a social cohension and a somewhat common morality system on the large territories, but there's also countless stories of revered fathers indulging in vices they're supposed to combat, monetising the wide social network and trust of their followers to conspire with nobles, etc. Just remember Vaticans sneeding after Luthor called them motherfuckers over all that and started to print Bibles on a language people en masse could actualy read. What happens now is not something conceptually new. Also, I didn't quite get what you were trying to say with this spiritual mumbo-jumbo, but that's may be because my only phylosophical background is watching Xavier Renegade Angel clips on youtube.
Plus, there's a notible difference between being gay and trans. Full commitment to being trans requires undergoing a surgical procedure that doesn't have a defined medical standart and makes one a life-long customer of pharmaceutical companies. Gays, on the other hand, mostly risk varying degrees of rectum damage. STDs in our current time are easly preventable by using ones brain(which is also relevant to non-gays).
Dude, I think you're somewhat mixing-up gays and LGBT. Gays are attracted to other men. That's kinda all there is to it. It happens, it does not somehow undermine personal agency, and there are much worse things that can happen to somebody. LGBT is a group of organisations, funds, activists, etc, who stand for the rights of sexual minorities. Some of them might still be doing this, but many went to continue a perpetuating cycle of struggle. Why? Because people don't need those glorious strugglers for rights that are already achieved. It's much easier to not actually solve problems, and getting paid for it continuously. Or monetise it in social or political capital. That's not important. Important thing is they're here to pretend-solving problems, or even invent new ones, where old ones aren't enough. Not unlike a Church, I'd say. I won't deny its role in creating a social cohension and a somewhat common morality system on the large territories, but there's also countless stories of revered fathers indulging in vices they're supposed to combat, monetising the wide social network and trust of their followers to conspire with nobles, etc. Just remember Vaticans sneeding after Luthor called them motherfuckers over all that and started to print Bibles on a language people en masse could actualy read. What happens now is not something conceptually new. Also, I didn't quite get what you were trying to say with this spiritual mumbo-jumbo, but that's may be because my only phylosophical background is watching Xavier Renegade Angel clips on youtube.
Plus, there's a notible difference between being gay and trans. Full commitment to being trans requires undergoing a surgical procedure that doesn't have a defined medical standart and makes one a life-long customer of pharmaceutical companies. Gays, on the other hand, mostly risk varying degrees of rectum damage. STDs in our current time are easly preventable by using ones brain(which is also relevant to non-gays).
I haven't mixed up anything, and what I'm talking about has nothing to do with either philosophy or questions of the trustworthiness of organized religion (you'd be surprised how many saints were persecuted by their own hierarchies; it's not really a defeater unless you're in a system where the hierarchy is infallible in some way). I'm talking purely about the psychology of it.
"Gays are attracted to other men" is not "all there is to it". It's not just something that spontaneously and naturally happens any more than transsexuality "just happens". That sort of obfuscation is an intentional feature of the very organizations, funds, and activists you're correctly skeptical of, but you're wrong if you think they were ever here to help. Transsexuality and homosexuality are both something that you're initiated into. For some it's a one-and-done traumatic event (childhood sexual abuse), for others it's a self-initiation by degrees (just talk to any of the thousands of furries who got into gay stuff through furry porn), and for others it can take other forms.
The psychological language of religious ritual is the best way to describe these things, and was the common language of humanity in matters of the mind until the failed project of secular psychology ("psyche" being greek for spirit/mind/soul). Incidentally, psychology typically cribs religious/occult systems and terminology anyhow.
I haven't mixed up anything, and what I'm talking about has nothing to do with either philosophy or questions of the trustworthiness of organized religion (you'd be surprised how many saints were persecuted by their own hierarchies; it's not really a defeater unless you're in a system where the hierarchy is infallible in some way). I'm talking purely about the psychology of it.
"Gays are attracted to other men" is not "all there is to it". It's not just something that spontaneously and naturally happens any more than transsexuality "just happens". That sort of obfuscation is an intentional feature of the very organizations, funds, and activists you're correctly skeptical of, but you're wrong if you think they were ever here to help. Transsexuality and homosexuality are both something that you're initiated into. For some it's a one-and-done traumatic event (childhood sexual abuse), for others it's a self-initiation by degrees (just talk to any of the thousands of furries who got into gay stuff through furry porn), and for others it can take other forms.
The psychological language of religious ritual is the best way to describe these things, and was the common language of humanity in matters of the mind until the failed project of secular psychology ("psyche" being greek for spirit/mind/soul). Incidentally, psychology typically cribs religious/occult systems and terminology anyhow.
I was going to argue that people could be born gay. I looked at a huge study that shows there is no 'gay gene', and thus, people are not born homosexual. However, there must be something genetically that allows one to be sexually attracted to a certain sex. There are other studies that show there are multiple genes that are found in homosexual individuals (genes linked to mental health issues rather than being gay in itself). A person with no sexual education and no outside influence can and will still be sexually attracted to the opposite sex. That is genetics at play. It has to be; otherwise, there would be no sexual attraction (and true asexuality (no libido) is rare and often a result of trauma). However, there is also a study that claims that children who display non-gender-conforming behavior are more likely to be targeted by abusers. If an individual is never exposed to trauma like this, and they still turn out homosexual, wouldn't that be a sign that it's not nurture? It's difficult to run a study on that because people don't keep every single detail of their lives written down. We haven't found the genes that regulate what one is sexually attracted to from birth (what humans are found sexually attractive once one hits puberty). There are millions of individuals who are sexually assaulted/abused and don't turn out to be homosexuals. Is it the gender-non-conforming aspect of individuals that increase the chance of someone becoming homosexual with or without abuse? Why are children who are GNC more likely to be targeted? Are the genes that are linked to mental health a contributor to GNC? There's many questions left to answer.
/10 pre-emptively, since I'll need some time to read all that.
and their plans for the evening. Star goes off to browse the websites she was recommended by Manda only for her to attract the sex pests that make up the community she was trolling after on Operation Touch The Cows. After blocking the myriad of sex pests, she things she made a mistake.
