Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

"legitimate gender dysphorics" are people with unresolved childhood trauma who internalised the idea that they can't be masculine women or feminine men. The gender dysphoria may be legitimate, but let's not pretend that experimental, dangerous body modifications are the only cure for an issue of the mind.

I think the only ones who should get to choose are those who are hermaphrodites with functioning genitalia of both sexes at birth. But they only get to choose once at 18.

When you want to stop children from being altered, you're doing genocide. When you fuck up a child's bones, you're the good guy. Wow who would of thunk.

I reject your reality and substitute my own!

 

[Marvin]

It's fun being in a group that's filled with troons or soon to be troons because they'll post about how politicians are trying to stop kids from being irreversible altered and fucked up by hormones and surgery and get upset. And then I'm just sitting there internally cheering at this shit being destroyed.

Parents of these children are starting to sue the organizations. There are a multitude of detransitioners. And I'm surrounded by troons who really haven't gotten more functional after popping some hormone pills. But if I point that out, they think I'm evil.

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My groomed friend: They're doing genocide!

Wow I didn't know that not wanting children to be wheelchair bound due to osteoporosis was genocide. I guess we should just screw with their puberty and fuck up their brains and organs, then. Because we're absolutely helping them when we do that.

When you want to stop children from being altered, you're doing genocide. When you fuck up a child's bones, you're the good guy. Wow who would of thunk.

If you're up for it, point out that trannies are not a genocidable group according to the UN.

They're not an ethnic group. They're not a religious group connected to an ethnicity. (The UN technically doesn't require that latter clause, but there's clearly a difference in their intent. They're trying to say hindus in india massacreing muslim indians is genocide. But it's not the same thing as shooting a bunch of scientologists.)

I think the only ones who should get to choose are those who are hermaphrodites with functioning genitalia of both sexes at birth. But they only get to choose once at 18.

There is no such thing as a hermaphrodite mammal.

Sex in mammals is strictly binary, with either male or female. There is no middle ground and no changing.

What we used to call "intersex" is more properly called a DSD nowadays. (Disorder/Difference of Sexual Development)

All DSDs are sex specific. Only males get some DSDs, only females get the others. (Or, well, technically there are some DSDs both males and females can get, but 100% of the sex confusing symptoms are gotten by one sex, not the other.)

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

All DSDs are sex specific. Only males get some DSDs, only females get the others. (Or, well, technically there are some DSDs both males and females can get, but 100% of the sex confusing symptoms are gotten by one sex, not the other.)

I get that, I'm talking about ovotesticular syndrome specifically.

 

[Marvin]

I get that, I'm talking about ovotesticular syndrome specifically.

With ovotesticular syndrome, their gonads have mixed tissues, but they don't have two sets of genitalia. Also their mixed tissue gonads cannot viably produce both gametes.

Their sex depends on if they hit the masculinization programming window in utero. If they have an SRY gene and functioning testosterone receptors, all working at the right point in gestation, they'll develop as male. Otherwise as female.

(in both cases, with tricky medical issues)

 

[Darkholme's Dungeon]

With ovotesticular syndrome, their gonads have mixed tissues, but they don't have two sets of genitalia. Also their mixed tissue gonads cannot viably produce both gametes.

Their sex depends on if they hit the masculinization programming window in utero. If they have an SRY gene and functioning testosterone receptors, all working at the right point in gestation, they'll develop as male. Otherwise as female.

(in both cases, with tricky medical issues)

I must have misread the process then. My apologizes.
My biological knowledge is centered on plants not humans.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I can't help but blame myself a bit, maybe she wouldn't have set herself on this path if she didn't see me do the same thing years ago.

In the end, I hope you realize it isn't. If she met with you and didn't see what happened, it is her choice to ignore it. She likely follows trans people on social media or has more trans friends than you realize, your journey mattered little to her. You can blame yourself for other things (whatever they are), but you deserve no blame for any of this.

 

[Marvin]

I must have misread the process then. My apologizes.
My biological knowledge is centered on plants not humans.

It's difficult to find documentation on these issues, mostly because no one studies this basic shit because it's such a basic assumption.

It's like troon activists suddenly showing up and crowing that there's no scientific studies comparing professional troon women athletes and professional real women athletes, so we should just default to integration until that evidence surface.

 

[Whetherwon]

Fuck it, I've been lurking for a while and I'm power leveling while I can. I'm not exactly a trans widow, but close enough. My soon to be ex husband came out as non-binary and then trans, took estrogen for a while and then stopped. Now he says he's trans but all that means is that he wants people to call him "they" and goes out wearing a dress and makeup maybe once a month. Oh and he has man boobs that are permanent now. I could maybe deal with all that, but I can't forgive him for what he's put our kid through the last few years. So fucking narcissistic to insist that your super special gender is SO very special that we need to use a special pronoun that hardly anyone can remember to use because YOU LOOK LIKE A REGULAR DUDE. Ugh.

 

[Boss Hawg]

I had a relative that was divorced by his wife of 20 years and moved in with a woman who was a "lesbian". He was subsequently kicked out of his family and ours (justifiably). Soon he started dressing in a fucking Tootoo (them skirts ballerinas wear) and pink Converse shoes. Keep in mind he's in his late 40's with no job or skills for employment. Now he lives with his lesbian wife and has impregnated her with a future school shooter. Btw he is a Democratic Socialist, he plays BattleTech table top with other fat autist, and has over $200,000 student loan debt that he has no means to pay off.

Lesson is to bully weirdos and make them feel ashamed so that they might be better.

 

[LinkinParkxNaruto[AMV]]

Fuck it, I've been lurking for a while and I'm power leveling while I can. I'm not exactly a trans widow, but close enough. My soon to be ex husband came out as non-binary and then trans, took estrogen for a while and then stopped. Now he says he's trans but all that means is that he wants people to call him "they" and goes out wearing a dress and makeup maybe once a month. Oh and he has man boobs that are permanent now. I could maybe deal with all that, but I can't forgive him for what he's put our kid through the last few years. So fucking narcissistic to insist that your super special gender is SO very special that we need to use a special pronoun that hardly anyone can remember to use because YOU LOOK LIKE A REGULAR DUDE. Ugh.

How was this person before the trooning? Was he a good partner that one day snap or grafually became psicotic ?

I am always surprised how many incredibly autistic specimens who put on a spectable were married and had kids. Scary too, i am sorry for the kids.

 

[DiscoRodeo]

So fucking narcissistic to insist that your super special gender is SO very special that we need to use a special pronoun that hardly anyone can remember to use because YOU LOOK LIKE A REGULAR DUDE. Ugh.

This.

My issues with trans folk would be so much less if it was a live, and let live thing, but one word in a nutshell? Narcissism. I dont mean that they think that theyre the best (and many have huge self esteem issues) but the notion that everyone elses lives have to cater and be centered around their issues is one of the biggest drawbacks. If he just wanted to wear a dress and didnt care about forcing your child to entertain that, thats one matter- but on forcing a kid to participate in this, being in their face about it, etc,

regardless of how that may affect the kid,

narcissism, thats all.

 

[toilet_rainbow]

One of the FTMs in my life got a double mastectomy over the weekend. Had her chronically ill mom that was in the hospital on and off during Covid's peak take her to and from the hospital. Made a long post the night before about euphoric and validating it is for her to lose her breasts. Fuck the concept of "gender euphoria." Not looking forward to the topless deflated, scarred, pepperoni nipple selfies. Next up is bottom surgery. At least I'll be spared photos of that shit. Hopefully. Never know with troons.

Another FTM/enby (y'know, the he/they flavor) in my life is talking on Twitter about how it's easier and cheaper for her to get top and maybe bottom surgery than it is for her to legally change her name and sex. (She wants to get fuckin' X on her license). I honestly may have to unfollow her because she's starting to retweet women with godawful top surgeries (think Colt Seidman "super fucking fat with not even moobs and poorly healing filthy stitches" bad) and college kids gleefully holding boxes of T that came into the mail that they're gonna inject into themselves right after pressing "send." I've literally seen makeup "influencers" holding makeup palettes with the exact same pose and gleeful expression on their faces as these kids are with permanent body altering hormones. It is like I'm watching a satire that forgot it's supposed to be satire.

Pretty sure that last one was from some service like Plume, too. That shit should be illegal. The outright illegal Chinese "pharmacy" and Keffals minor ring shit are bad enough. I use Facebook for non lgbt things and had to end up blocking ads for Plume and other tranny shit on the app because that many former classmates on my dash have trooned out (that, and I'm gay myself, so I guess the algorithm just decided to lump my LGB ass with the T automatically).

 

[Ser Prize]

One of the FTMs in my life got a double mastectomy over the weekend. Had her chronically ill mom that was in the hospital on and off during Covid's peak take her to and from the hospital. Made a long post the night before about euphoric and validating it is for her to lose her breasts. Fuck the concept of "gender euphoria." Not looking forward to the topless deflated, scarred, pepperoni nipple selfies. Next up is bottom surgery. At least I'll be spared photos of that shit. Hopefully. Never know with troons.

Another FTM/enby (y'know, the he/they flavor) in my life is talking on Twitter about how it's easier and cheaper for her to get top and maybe bottom surgery than it is for her to legally change her name and sex. (She wants to get fuckin' X on her license). I honestly may have to unfollow her because she's starting to retweet women with godawful top surgeries (think Colt Seidman "super fucking fat with not even moobs and poorly healing filthy stitches" bad) and college kids gleefully holding boxes of T that came into the mail that they're gonna inject into themselves right after pressing "send." I've literally seen makeup "influencers" holding makeup palettes with the exact same pose and gleeful expression on their faces as these kids are with permanent body altering hormones. It is like I'm watching a satire that forgot it's supposed to be satire.

Pretty sure that last one was from some service like Plume, too. That shit should be illegal. The outright illegal Chinese "pharmacy" and Keffals minor ring shit are bad enough. I use Facebook for non lgbt things and had to end up blocking ads for Plume and other tranny shit on the app because that many former classmates on my dash have trooned out (that, and I'm gay myself, so I guess the algorithm just decided to lump my LGB ass with the T automatically).

It's really all a horrible fashion statement. A trend, like emos but somehow faker and gayer.

 

[Simon]

Fuck it, I've been lurking for a while and I'm power leveling while I can. I'm not exactly a trans widow, but close enough. My soon to be ex husband came out as non-binary and then trans, took estrogen for a while and then stopped. Now he says he's trans but all that means is that he wants people to call him "they" and goes out wearing a dress and makeup maybe once a month. Oh and he has man boobs that are permanent now. I could maybe deal with all that, but I can't forgive him for what he's put our kid through the last few years. So fucking narcissistic to insist that your super special gender is SO very special that we need to use a special pronoun that hardly anyone can remember to use because YOU LOOK LIKE A REGULAR DUDE. Ugh.

Dealing with this exact thing right now, I could've written it myself. It's fucking difficult and heartbreaking. I don't want to give too much info but we've been together a decade and this last year or so the changes really ramped up. I'm sorry you're going through this, too.

 

[AMHOLIO]

Hopefully the thread move out of deep thoughts (which is fun but stuck in the autistic thunderdome for a reason) will help more people who need some comfort find this thread. We don't have the mark of the thunderdomebeast anymore & we're in designated troon bitching zone, so that will help.

Continue, ladies and gentlemen.

 

[YachieKicchou]

My brother trooned out and I found out it's because he got literally groomed. He's a minor and was in online for the last two years of the pandemic. I've tried my best but he's also legitimately autistic and I haven't been getting through. It got to the point where I took his laptop and forced his parents to look through it which got it taken. They're not buying it and refuse to legitimize it so we're all working on it now. Things are looking up so maybe we can change things before it's too late.

Please don't let minors have unrestricted internet access. We can turn it around but that's because I caught it at the right time. Don't let them take your family from you.

 

[AMHOLIO]

I've tried my best but he's also legitimately autistic and I haven't been getting through. It got to the point where I took his laptop and forced his parents to look through it which got it taken. They're not buying it and refuse to legitimize it so we're all working on it now. Things are looking up so maybe we can change things before it's too late

I hope the best for your family, I'm so sorry all of you are going through this. I'm glad you're doing you're damndest and hope it works.

 

[Simon]

Honestly, finding people that are going through this exact situation is already helping immensely. I was on board with trans people, even experimenting myself a bit, when he started transitioning. But after this whole ordeal, I admit, I'm bitter and angry. Seeing the amount of 'trans widows' there are, with kids, makes me angry. It tears families apart, these transitions.

 

[Sinner's Sandwich]

I think the only ones who should get to choose are those who are hermaphrodites with functioning genitalia of both sexes at birth.

People like this don't exist.

 

[SwanSwanson]

I think the only ones who should get to choose are those who are hermaphrodites with functioning genitalia of both sexes at birth. But they only get to choose once at 18.

Usually there is a dominant sex within them, there are no cases of a hermaphrodite with both functioning genitals.