Off-Topic Losing people to transgenderism support thread - Support group for trans widows and other people who lost loved ones to troonism

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Because it's their body and their choice to mutilate themselves, I'll encourage them if it makes them happy even if I don't agree with their ideas.
Just because someone has an idea to get happier doesn't mean it's a good idea worth pursuing. You've witnessed his degradation first hand due to him messing up his chemicals in his body. All its going to do - letting him do whatever he wants to make himself happy - is gonna lead him down to learning lessons the hard way. It's an awful mentality to have because you don't care enough/refuse to be a good mate and push what's best for your ex's potential and well-being.
 
Usually there is a dominant sex within them, there are no cases of a hermaphrodite with both functioning genitals.
Everytime you hear someone bring up turner and kleinefelter as proof that troonism is totally normal and not made up, bring up the fact that turner is still female and kleinefelter is still male and neither of them are even considered intersex.

Kleinfelter patients still consider themselves male and turner ones still consider themselves male. The treatment for both of these is to give hormones to match the ones missing, kleinefelters get testosterone and turners get estrogen.

Neither of them "transition" in anyway ,neither are even really considered intersex and most of the time they don't even notice they suffer from it.

Troons have managed to convince everone that like 30% of the population is running around with fully formed hermaphroditic genitals capable of impregnating themselves when that is both false, and even if it wasn't, it wouldn't even apply to them to begin with.
 
Just because someone has an idea to get happier doesn't mean it's a good idea worth pursuing. You've witnessed his degradation first hand due to him messing up his chemicals in his body. All its going to do - letting him do whatever he wants to make himself happy - is gonna lead him down to learning lessons the hard way. It's an awful mentality to have because you don't care enough/refuse to be a good mate and push what's best for your ex's potential and well-being.
I spent almost 10 years trying to get him on the right track. He doesn't want help. I did care enough, I spent almost a decade caring and pushing for what's best for him, eventually you give up.
 
I spent almost 10 years trying to get him on the right track. He doesn't want help. I did care enough, I spent almost a decade caring and pushing for what's best for him, eventually you give up.
Ok, its good that you at least tried for that long. Your original posts didn't come across that way (with all the encouragement to transition that you mentioned)
 
I've been trying to support my ex boyfriend through transitioning for the past 2 years. We broke up years ago, but stayed friends. He used to be a fit guy, working as a consultant, middle class upbringing. He was full of life, we had the craziest parties, we travelled everywhere, things were really great. We didn't work very well together as a couple in the household though, there were many arguments, and we decided to separate but stay friends.

2 years ago, he opened up to me about gender dysphoria and his wishes to transition. I've supported a couple of friends who transitioned before, and they went on to live happy lives after, no big deal.
He started off by DIY'ing hormones, I suggested against this and that he should see a therapist first. He DIY'ed anyway, and I have to give it to him, he did end up seeing a therapist!
Now though, he's 2 years into DIY'ing hormones and he still hasn't made the effort to actually transition. He doesn't really look like a guy anymore, he just looks like this awkward in-between. The reality is that he just needs to take care of himself, but he doesn't bother with basic grooming, he refuses to do his eyebrows because "its scary", he refuses to do anything but take hormones. Every time I suggest something minor, like hey maybe exfoliate, maybe pluck your bushy brows, he takes this as me bullying him into progress, and instead of taking these simple routine steps he creeps more and more into his shell.
He argues that I'm being pushy and offering no sympathy, but at the same time, he hasn't made ANY progress but instead he's regressed into being a shut-in who works from home for the past 2 years.

Recently, he tried to get insurance to cover FFS, facial surgery. The insurance requires that you've been medically transitioning for at least a year, have started your social transition and have your name and gender changed after approval from a psychologist. All reasonable requirements, and my other trans friends have never complained about these things. It seems to be a recurring theme with a certain type of trans person though that these are 'obstacles'. Somehow, he still has all his muscle tone, despite being on HRT for 2 years, he hasn't lost any weight, he hasn't done ANYTHING. Why on earth would you look towards FFS when this is something you A) dont need and B) arent ready for?

I feel like during the pandemic he drank the tranny kool-aid and thought it would be a way out of his problems. You see, he had always been unhappy with himself, he didn't like his career, he didn't like how "this is it". I always attributed this to his coddled upbringing, he's from a white middle class family, he went to a good university and just generally never had real challenges in life.

No matter what I say though, he vehemently defends his "passive" strategy, saying that it's comfortable for him. 2 months ago, I argued that he's underestimating transition and that his passive approach is proving to not work. For the first time, he told me that he's going to actively try to be better about this and that he'll try to make real progress. I told him that I would help him if needed. However, he hasn't been talking to me, he hasn't done anything apart from take a 2 week break at work because he needed "space". I told him that it was a good idea to take some time off, and suggested he should travel and do some real life things to clear his mind. In those 2 weeks, he completely cut contact with everyone he was still talking to and went on an adderall + alcohol gaming binge, flipping his sleep schedule around, and after those 2 weeks were over he told me he "changed" and that he doesn't want to hear me being pushy and offering no sympathy. Basically, he doubled down yet again.
I feel like this relates to him never having had a challenge, transitioning is the first real challenge in his life and instead of seeking help I think he just realized that he dug his head too deep into the sand with no way out anymore.

I just don't know what to do anymore. I lost someone I deeply loved, someone with an active lifestyle, loads of friends and a promising future. I don't recognize this person. I miss him so much, I just don't want to see him harming himself any further, I want him to either transition completely and live life as a happy woman, or live life as a happy man, not a shut-in troglodyte who hasn't seen the sun in 2 years. I know transitioning is possible for the few, for those who are actually transgender, but I feel like he isn't, I feel like this is just his own little midlife crisis and he realized he can't just cut his mantits off to undo it so instead he's becoming a uwu poly catgirl troon despite looking like Ron Jeremy.
Walk away. He wants you to martyr yourself as his free therapist. He's a black hole of need that will drain your soul.
 
Walk away. He wants you to martyr yourself as his free therapist. He's a black hole of need that will drain your soul.
He bought his "metamour" a fruit basket, because he wanted to be nice and caring all of the sudden. But he didn't even text me the times I was in the hospital undergoing surgery whilst we were still dating, let alone show any support. When I complained he cut contact for a week because "you're toxic and I need positivity in my life".
The straw was when I caught him cheating and he brushed it off as "Well I'm poly now!".
This is a mid 30s higher up for you. I have too much fucking patience for people.
 
Hey, if someone is happy with constantly doing some stupid shit after being warned about it, what else can you do?
Apparently, it's your duty as a good friend to shoot them in the head with a shotgun or something.

Look, when it's your own kids, there's a lot you can do to stop them from falling down the rabbit-hole. When it's an adult, you're not gonna be able to stop someone completely enthralled by thanatos. You can try, and trying's worth a shot, but a lot of people seem to act as if there's some magic phrase you can say that'll snap people out of the trance. One should notice a pattern, when one's own spouse saying "you are absolutely not trans, this looks like a fetish/midlife crisis" gets disregarded - who else saying that would manage to get through?

For people who strongly value care and kindness (tends to be women more than men), this is the quicksand. Because you first hope to help convince them otherwise - doesn't work. Then you want to help if they're hell-bent on their choice, give them advice and community and not throw them into the cold. Eventually, it becomes impossible to ignore that nothing is helping, and all that's happening is you becoming miserable. FtMs don't drag on men because men will on average much sooner throw in the towel on a hopeless case, and are far less concerned with expressing care or kindness.

And there's also no escaping that just throwing someone out of your life because they id as trans is a form of bigotry. The kicker is that it happens to be the right move so, so, so very often that I think people who don't generally view themselves as bigoted have difficulty reconciling their instincts with their beliefs, which becomes another lever for manipulation.
 
I got one I guess.

So, a fren and I had a good online buddy, used to joke together about all kinds of everything and we liked the same anime and shit. Fun times galore etc etc. Let's call this online buddy Troonbud. Worth mentioning that Troonbud was already a mtf trans, but as abrasive as fren and I are on troonism, we really don't give two shits about what someone decides to do with themselves so long as its not illegal and nobody's getting hurt. The consensus between us both is that troonism is a genuine phenomenon, but it's exceptionally rare and it's should be treated like the serious mental illness it is.

Anyway time goes on and while Troonbud had some pants on head retarded opinions on certain political shit like kids on hormones and how Trump is literally genociding trannies, we kinda let it slide as Troonbud was young and from your standard sheltered middle class white American background. We figured Troonbud would grow out of it with more life experience.

Unfortunately for Troonbud, Troonbud fell in with a bunch of wokies through the cancer known as discord. I would like to note that one of these wokies is aware of my kiwi profile and clearly reads my posts, which she then passed onto Troonbud who had a shitfit over me being transphobic in my dms. We'll call her Rachel because that's her irl name and I'm profoundly aware that mentioning her here will piss her the fuck off, so I may as well have a giggle at her expense. I managed to smooth the situation over and life went on. However, after a post using Rachel as an example of ex chan users loving to power trip, there was another shitshow.

I was already aware at this point that shit would be unsalvageable, but I wanted to remain optimistic.

Troonbud blocked fren and I everywhere suspiciously immediately after I made a post in the Guilty Gear thread about Bridget not being trans. What a thing to stop talking to us over, fucking lmao.


Fun notes for anyone reading (Rachel, Igor, Dylan/Dominica, hi, get fucked.)

Troonbud heavily encouraged the write up in Tranny Sideshows on Ethan "Coautl" Jones. In fact, Troonbud was the final push for me writing it. Despite this, Troonbud now retweets keffals and agrees with the fat sweaty nonce known as Sophie "Billy Boy" Labelle because Troonbud is assmad about the farms. Not to mention openly troonposting. Here's some examples for your reading pleasure.

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Troonbud chose their irl female name after an anime character. Said anime character is from Strike Witches.

Troonbud cried to me over a breakup from a relationship that would never have worked out anyway on account of age gaps and mental illness. I spent a significant amount of time administering asspats. Troonbud was already e-dating someone new within a week.

I have a substantial amount of dirt on Troonbud, but for mercy's sake because I'm fucking soft, I won't be writing a post in Tranny Sideshows. The below discord caps are courtesy of fren who censored them as they're more merciful than I am. I however, am not as merciful as you can see from my earlier caps, and am profoundly aware of it. #TYCED

Here's a nice collection of Troonbud saying the gamer word over discord. I'm sure Rachel and friends will really enjoy seeing it.
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If there's any lesson learned here, it's "don't tolerate bullshit" I guess. It was my mistake to assume that a long time friend who laughed at my edgy as fuck jokes would tolerate the fact that I like to shitpost on a fruit bird site.

No matter how fun they may be, group mentality ruins people. Best to cut and run.
Wouldn't be surprised if there's some fallout from this considering that I have someone stalking me and feeding people info but frankly I don't care on the grounds that anyone who takes the Internet seriously is clinically retarded and the Internet isn't real life.
 
And there's also no escaping that just throwing someone out of your life because they id as trans is a form of bigotry. The kicker is that it happens to be the right move so, so, so very often that I think people who don't generally view themselves as bigoted have difficulty reconciling their instincts with their beliefs, which becomes another lever for manipulation.
It can take some real ballsy confidence to kick out a troon instantly because of this. Big shoutouts to the ladies who set their limits down the first time and stick by em, they're ripping off the bandaid and going in raw first rather than praying that things go right. It's definitely not something every could or can do if they're married to a tard who troons out, especially if there are young children involved.
 
I found out a woman I know just got a 2nd top surgery. after her first top surgery and being on T the first time when she said she was a man, she went off T and changed her name to a 2nd chosen name, going back to she/they pronouns, but has since gotten back on T and crowd funded her 2nd surgery as a non-binary they/them. Dunno why she needed a second one, maybe the first one was just a reduction or perhaps you grow some breast tissue back when you go off T (?)

this isn't too long after she spent a ton of money on a long vacation, the kind of vacation I have only dreamed of. she spends so much money on tattoos, piercings, party drugs, and clothes (girly clothes btw, not a tomboy). she has admitted she uses tattoos and piercings to deal with mental health. she also dealt with some traumatic events over the past couple years. she has serious mental health issues which have been worse than ever lately and has been undergoing treatments for depression past just therapy/meds. don't wanna get too specific, but this has been recent enough that there's been no chance for them to get to full effect.

I never knew this person when they weren't trans and we're not at all close, so I can't say I've lost them, but it's just sad to see women do this to themselves. I'm so disturbed by how many people keep telling this clearly unstable person that body modifications will solve her mental health issues. identifying as non-binary hasn't improved her life at all and yet her many trans friends encourage her to keep digging in deeper with that identity with the promises that it will make her happy and 'herself' finally.

she is a good example to me of how dangerous the "non-binary" trend is. it is embracing dissociation from reality as a solution to identity crisis or mental health. it's almost more insidious than full on MTF/FTM because you don't have to fully identify as another gender, just feel some discomfort with who you are and project it as a gender issue.

I have a male friend who seems to be starting down this path too, pretty stereotypically masculine but possibly bisexual. back when I was pro-trans to some extent he told me he has gender dysphoria and wants to be a woman, I was skeptical of whether that was true even when I thought there were genuine trans people. he was abused as a kid, almost certainly bipolar or BPD, and spent almost a year that we were friends relapsed on alcohol and crack and lying to me about it. he's sober now, as far as I know. I've stopped being friends with him in the past because of how he treats me when he isn't stable. now we are friendly again but don't really have deeper conversations. I care about him but I am not going to be his emotional support as he doesn't even follow my advice that he needs to be on medication, and I have no interest in being an enabler for his addictions or being manipulated again.

it seems he has continued to question his gender and has been calling himself non-binary publicly lately, whereas before it was just a secret he'd never told anyone else but me. I just really hope he doesn't start actually pursuing physical transition or going by they/them. if he does I'll probably do my due diligence to pull him out of it but until then I'm not going to get into his business about it. he knows my views but dismisses me as just being an intolerant asshole or being some reactionary extremist. which is true to an extent but I could legitimately write a fucking book about my personal experiences + own research + study of the scientific studies of trans 'healthcare'. hopefully he won't have to learn all that the hard way. also, he's fucking terrible to women and I can see him becoming a monster of a transbian tbh.
 
I've had several former friends like this and the one thing they all had in common was severe physical/sexual childhood abuse. I think this whole trans thing is usually a way to cope with a fractured/not formed identity instead of dealing with it in a healthy way. Some of these people I knew were also in political cults.
 
I feel utterly powerless in this climate.

To be critical of transitioning in any way makes you a transphobe and awful person. Personally, I do not care what you do to your body, let a jewish doctor mutilate you in whatever way you wish.
I am of the opinion that medicine hasn't progressed far enough to truly have a sex change, in the future no doubt it will be possible perhaps even safe.

The last few years I have been active on various discord servers.
I am mostly able to ignore all the degenerate shit but, any and all pronoun people I have met are just...all around awful and unpleasant people. Authoritarian and always sharpening an axe.

Which brings me to my personal story of losing people to transitioning or rather someone being dangerously close to being lost.

He's a young boy, just turned 17 as he joined my friends' group. We're a D&D group that host games for each other and creating some pretty in-depth Lore and stuff.
Point is, we're always looking for new people who fit into our specific niche and one of my friends brought this 17yo in.

He is a good boy, creative in writing and always energetic in the games, even wants to be a GM sometime soon.
But recently I have seen him talk more and more about gay shit and how much he likes cock, even making his character in the D&D sessions build phallic objects on accident.
Real cringe horny teenager stuff but gay.

At first I didn't really think much of it, everyone was a horny teenager at some point and I certainly don't care what he jerks it to.
However, now he is talking about hormon therapy and "The masculine urge to be feminine" and I know he's been talking to trans and pronoun people.

You're not fully adult until you're like, 25. You cannot do hormone therapy at his age without seriously fucking up his body.

I like the kid, I don't want him to walk this path because he's only hearing the good stuff about transitioning.
However, regrettably we have two pronouns and one trans guy mtf in our community, they don't do much because I more or less keep them in check by just, not letting them get away with being toxic and bossy.
But, I cannot do much about the kid willingly talking to them, discussing how to get hormones and if he can inject himself with them, how much the operation would cost etc...

How can I explain to these people that you should not let yourself be mutilated without being slapped down by supposedly moral phrases such as "She was born in the wrong body! This is torture for her!" and "You don't know what it's like cis"


I am sorry for rambling but this is one of the main reason I chose to be active here after around 5 years of lurking.
Nowhere else I feel you can even begin to have a discussion like this.
 
Just because someone has an idea to get happier doesn't mean it's a good idea worth pursuing. You've witnessed his degradation first hand due to him messing up his chemicals in his body. All its going to do - letting him do whatever he wants to make himself happy - is gonna lead him down to learning lessons the hard way. It's an awful mentality to have because you don't care enough/refuse to be a good mate and push what's best for your ex's potential and well-being.
If you are not aware of the motto of the French Republic, it is "Liberté, égalité, fraternité", or Liberty, Equality, fraternity. Another version "Unité, Indivisibilité de la République; Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité ou la mort" or, (an) indivisible republic; Liberty, Equality Fraternity or death.
A republic cannot stand if citizens cannot look out for each other. Unfortunately, these people do not want to be looked out for.
However, now he is talking about hormon therapy and "The masculine urge to be feminine" and I know he's been talking to trans and pronoun people.
You may not be able to "save" him from becoming gay at that stage. So its either let him become a transgender or just gay.

Maybe some pants wrestling might help him (Gachimuchi). Because you don't have to be a faggot to be gay. Case in point below, a gay and a bisexual man fighting for title of boss of this gym.

I know two people IRL that actually got into lifting/exercising from that and I know it pulled one dude from necking himself.
It gives many people in China strength to meme on the government so that's also a plus too.

Aniki lives in death, but Kazuya will lead us to better times. Good luck and remember that
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If you are not aware of the motto of the French Republic, it is "Liberté, égalité, fraternité", or Liberty, Equality, fraternity. Another version "Unité, Indivisibilité de la République; Liberté, Egalité, Fraternité ou la mort" or, (an) indivisible republic; Liberty, Equality Fraternity or death.
They're already trying to replace fraternité with "adelphité".

Just thought I'd mention that.
 
Was the reason for gender equality in a gendered language or something?
Le IIe État can't come fast enough.
That's my understanding. First time I saw it in anything was this article, but apparently it's been a bit of a low-key thing for a while over there, with "queer" activists vandalising any example of the motto they can find.
 
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